Strange behaviour on FX-8350?

HazNut

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Hello, this is my first post!
My specs are here excluding the monitor:
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/hazellnut134/saved/

I have noticed that in a lot of games, I get a lot of fps drops, and this seems to happen in a lot of unoptimized games or games that rely heavily on the cpu, for example Blacklight Retribution, Chivalry, Final Fantasy 14. So I decided to test my CPU on Prime95. Aaaand the tests didn't go to well.

Nothing is overclocked, except for a voltage increase on the cpu which I will get onto later.

So, when I run the blend or large fft test on prime, I noticed that within even 3 seconds, cores start to fail, giving the error FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4. Sometimes the 0.5 is replaced with a 0.4xxxxxx decimal. I have also seen the Illegal Sumout error appear 100 times on 1 core. I monitor my CPU with either core temp or CPU-Z, and they both show that during these tests, the frequency on EVERY core drops to something around 1402mhz, and the VID drops to 0.8875v.

I have also tried testing my CPU with Aida64. In these tests, I notice the same things happening on core temp and cpu-z when testing the cpu. I don't have any heat problems as far as I can tell, my idle temps hang around 37 degrees with a stock cooler and never go above 55 ish under load. I have also noticed that when testing my GPU on Aida, my system becomes VERY unresponsive and starts freezing up. My gpu's temperature is around 40 degrees at idle, which seems slightly higher than normal but still a safe temperature. I feel like this might have something to do with enabling k-boost on evga precision, but not disabling it before updating drivers, so I may have to do a driver sweep or just live with that.

About that voltage increase, I moved up the voltage 1 step and it seems like less cores are failing and it doesn't happen as quickly, although that may be due to me changing my RAM settings to run at DDR3-1600 rather than auto.

So the main problem I feel is my motherboard or power supply- my motherboard is the part I cheaped out on most (first pc build) and it only supports the FX-8350 after a BIOS update that I have done. Even then it seems kinda strange as it isn't in the supported CPU list. With the power supply, it seems ok, as the CPU and GPU together should only use up around 350 watts from memory, but I would like some confirmation on that. I definitely have enough money to spend on a new motherboard, although I hear you need a new Windows license but apparently that can be resolved by saying your motherboard died...

So, can anyone give any ideas on why I have any of these problems? Or am I just being paranoid?

 

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EDIT: I also tested my RAM with Windows Memory Diagnostic, and it didn't show any errors, and got 50% through memtest86+ before giving up because I got bored... with no errors. I'm hoping it's my motherboard, I don't have a ton of money :/
 

HazNut

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I don't think I can get access to anyone else's components. Also, these fps drops have happened since day one, although for some games it may be due to bad coding.
 

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i'll mention 1 thing, does your mother board suport 125w tdp or is 125w tdp the max it can handle? in reality the 8350 can use up too 150w , the things we didnt know right. make sure you have a mobo that has a headroom of more than 125w tdp. i would recommend uping your voltages to help stabilize until you find the culprate issue for now. make sure you psu is a continueous psu and not a cheap psu that says like 650w peak, it should say 650w continuous. basically dont buy a 40 dollar psu , buy the 100 dollar one. and make sure what your mobo can supply to the cpu.
 

Dark Lord of Tech

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The FX8320 and FX8350 aren't supported on that board.

Here's the CPU support list.

AM3+ Opteron OS3320SJW4KHK 25W Piledriver 1900MHz 1400MHz 2MBx2 8MB C0 P1.20
AM3+ Opteron OS3380OLW8KHK 65W Bulldozer 2600MHz 2000MHz 2MBx4 8MB C0 P1.20
AM3+ Opteron OS3280OLW8KGU 65W Bulldozer 2400MHz 2600MHz 2MBx4 8MB B2 P1.20
AM3+ FX FD8300WMW8KHK 95W Piledriver 3300MHz 2200MHz 2MBx4 8MB C0 P1.20
AM3+ FX FD8140WMW8KGU 95W Bulldozer 3200MHz 2200MHz 2MBx4 8MB B2 P1.20
AM3+ FX FD8120WMW8KGU(BE) 95W Bulldozer 3100MHz 2200MHz 2MBx4 8MB B2 All
AM3+ FX FD8100WMW8KGU(BE) 95W Bulldozer 2800MHz 2000MHz 2MBx4 8MB B2 All
AM3+ FX FD6300WMW6KHK 95W Piledriver 3500MHz 2000MHz 2MBx3 8MB C0 P1.20
AM3+ FX FD6120WMW6KGU 95W Bulldozer 3500MHz 2000MHz 2MBx3 8MB B2 P1.10
AM3+ FX FD6100WMW6KGU(BE) 95W Bulldozer 3300MHz 2000MHz 2MBx3 8MB B2 All
AM3+ FX FD4320WMW4MHK 95W Piledriver 4000MHz 2000MHz 2MBx2 4MB C0 P1.20
AM3+ FX FD4300WMW4MHK 95W Piledriver 3800MHz 2000MHz 2MBx2 4MB C0 P1.20
AM3+ FX FD4150WMW4KGU 95W Bulldozer 3900MHz 2000MHz 2MBx2 8MB B2 P1.10
AM3+ FX FD4100WMW4KGU(BE) 95W Bulldozer 3600MHz 2000MHz 2MBx2 8MB B2 All
 

HazNut

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Yeah, I said that it isn't in the CPU support list, although it is in a BIOS update's patch notes, they just haven't added it to the list. I also feel that maybe it would be a good idea to get a new motherboard anyway, in case I want to overclock in the future. The only thing I'm worried about is a new windows license. At least then I can rule out my motherboard having issues. In fact I'm playing FF14 right now and it only seems to drop to 56 fps which is great, might just be a placebo effect though :/ Also when playing the game there aren't any voltage drops or frequency drops, and the cpu isn't put under much load even though it is an mmo. Is that an issue or is it just to do with the game?
 

HazNut

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The thing is, I can't tell if the framerate drops are the fault of the game now, or still my CPU, as I can't see any frequency or voltage drops. I will probably try a few other games in case I can see what is happening. This may have something to do with my GPU's instability as well, it was probably not a good idea to cheap out on such an important part. Am I able to sell my board or send it back? It isn't exactly faulty but if it doesn't fully support my CPU then that's a problem I guess?
 

HazNut

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Yeah I will probably go with a new motherboard, as the one I have right now only costed £30. Is there any way I can be fully sure that the CPU is unstable during gameplay???
 

HazNut

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And can someone stop this being marked solved? I'm still not completely sure I should shell out for this new motherboard, as in actual gameplay I can not see any fluctuation.
 

Dark Lord of Tech

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Here's a little snippet I found on a review:

At the time of purchase, (June 2013) ASRock claimed this board was compatible with the FX-8320 processor. I have had nothing but issues and random crashes with this board. At one point, thought the memory was the issue so I replaced it with some AMD (Patriot) memory that was on the compatibility list. I have recently learned that the 8320 and 8350 have been removed from the CPU list. I knew this board would not be an overclocker, but I was looking for a good deal. I have left everything at default settings and am using the most current BIOS. I even have a fan blowing down on the VRM. The fact is this board cannot handle the higher end 8 cores. ASRock misrepresented their product on their site and will not refund or replace it with a compatible product.
 

HazNut

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Are you sure that's the same one? I thought I saw that for a different motherboard, 970 series maybe? They are very similar I think.

EDIT: And another thing, if I was to overclock my CPU and GPU after getting a new board and a cooler, would my current 500w power supply still suffice? I hear a FX 8350 can draw 220w, which would make sense as that is the TDP of the 9590. GTX 670s draw up to 170w.