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March 18, 2014 5:06:18 AM

Ok my specs
I5 2700 3.30
DDR3 Ram 12 gigs
R9 270x shaphire 4 gig card
14.2 beta driver
Windows 7 sp 1
Direct x11
Motherbord assus P8h67 pro

This a compleatly a gaming computer, mainly used for elder scrolls online or will be!
Right I'm haveing a PC bottle necking issues and I would like too fix that!

Iv been looking at the i7 3770 all three versions but they are a bit out of my price range. Which is 300$ I don't want too have too go above that. But I have also been looking at the Xeon server CPUs and they are cheaper and equal too the i7 3770 all there versions, but they can not be oc'ed. Which CPU should I get?

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March 18, 2014 5:12:11 AM

You have i5 or i7? if i7 it's not worth the money
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March 18, 2014 5:18:32 AM

Hi, presumably you have an I5 2500 3.3Gz (not i5 2700). To upgrade this to a i7 would give a minimal increase in performance.
Besides the ghz increase from 3.3 to 3.5 which is like 6%.

I would recommend upgrading to windows 8.1 which gives a nice 5-10% performance increase in games like bf4.
If you have money to burn and itching for an upgrade, get an R280 or a 290 GPU.
The GPU will increase your performance by the largest percent
The i5 you have has 4 cores and will not really bottleneck your PC.
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March 18, 2014 5:24:46 AM

Go for i5 4th generation if you have tight budget get a i5 3rd if you re gonna do overclock get something with k if you want a regular gaming cpu get i5 3350p or Intel Core i5 3550 avoid the cpu's that end on t and s
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March 18, 2014 5:31:10 AM

You dont need to upgrade your processor as of now. It is adequate for today;s gaming needs. Besides, you will have to get a new mobo too to upgrade to the newer gen CPU's. So, let your cpu do the work as it is not in any way underpowered.
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March 18, 2014 5:31:10 AM

Denis Stoikovski said:
Go for i5 4th generation if you have tight budget get a i5 3rd if you re gonna do overclock get something with k if you want a regular gaming cpu get i5 3350p or Intel Core i5 3550 avoid the cpu's that end on t and s


"Денис" :D  He already has good i5 and it a good CPU which beastly overclocks so yeah as "gaborbarla" said R9 280X or 290X
will increase his gaming performance a lot better than new CPU!!!
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March 18, 2014 5:34:50 AM

According too elder scrolls the fps numbers are green indicating that I have a CPU bottle neck, this is Strictly pvp speaking, other wise the game runs fine, on high settings I have too turn the graphics down for pvp tho, other then that the PC runs fine. Do y'all really think it's gpu causing the issues? Cuz I just bought the graphics card....
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March 18, 2014 5:36:48 AM

Alexj1474 said:
According too elder scrolls the fps numbers are green indicating that I have a CPU bottle neck, this is Strictly pvp speaking, other wise the game runs fine, on high settings I have too turn the graphics down for pvp tho, other then that the PC runs fine. Do y'all really think it's gpu causing the issues? Cuz I just bought the graphics card....


Your CPU is fine, it can be GPU or driver problem!
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March 18, 2014 5:40:05 AM

Ahmadjon said:
Denis Stoikovski said:
Go for i5 4th generation if you have tight budget get a i5 3rd if you re gonna do overclock get something with k if you want a regular gaming cpu get i5 3350p or Intel Core i5 3550 avoid the cpu's that end on t and s


"Денис" :D  He already has good i5 and it a good CPU which beastly overclocks so yeah as "gaborbarla" said R9 280X or 290X
will increase his gaming performance a lot better than new CPU!!!


Damn right :D  he didnt put the k so i get confused well this cpu is very good yeah its 32nm thats the only bad thing but it will do the work
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March 18, 2014 5:42:30 AM

Alright I guess I buy anther card Blahh!!!!! I have the 4 gig version for the gpu, i just really didn't want too have too do anther card, I would just have too go up the r9 290x. Would be the best option right?
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March 18, 2014 5:43:35 AM

Alexj1474 said:
Alright I guess I buy anther card Blahh!!!!! I have the 4 gig version for the gpu, i just really didn't want too have too do anther card, I would just have too go up the r9 290x. Would be the best option right?


Yeah 290X is second fastest card in the world!
But i don't understand, why you bought 4GB of mid range card instead of more powerful 3 or 4GB card?
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March 18, 2014 5:47:18 AM

No the best bang for the buck will be to get another 270x and crossfire it. Given your PSU can handle it(650W min recommended). Since you have the 4GB version, get another 4 GB one and VRAM will not be a problem at all.
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March 18, 2014 5:49:39 AM

It's was 100$ cheaper and I thought that this card would be able too handle the considering that the recommended requirements are far exceeded. Which is a 6950 is what they recommended for the game the 270x is a whole series higher then the 6950 2 gig
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March 18, 2014 5:50:02 AM

But he can sell 270X and get 290X! also 290X will handle 4k resolution and games for crossfire configuration have poor optimization!
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March 18, 2014 5:52:15 AM

Lol 8 gigs of VRAM is over kill and I have a 700 watt now
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March 18, 2014 5:59:13 AM

Alexj1474 said:
Lol 8 gigs of VRAM is over kill and I have a 700 watt now


VRam Donot adds up. You will have 4GB after SLI.
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March 18, 2014 5:59:34 AM

I just looked at the 290x I can't afforded that I would have too do the 270x 4gig
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March 18, 2014 6:02:22 AM

Alexj1474 said:
I just looked at the 290x I can't afforded that I would have too do the 270x 4gig


R9 270x toxic runs very well in crossfire. And it is within your budget range.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/5984/sapphire-radeon-...
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March 18, 2014 7:28:53 AM

Alexj1474 said:
Would it be ok to crossfire two different card types? Like the current one I have is a saphier 270x, wouldn't it do better with the same brand? Can you even crossfire two different brands?

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-R9-27X4 current card!


You can crossfire different brands of the same card but the config will run on the specs of the slower card, means the faster card will be slowed down to match the slower card. So better get another toxic given it is one of the fastest clocked 270x.
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March 18, 2014 7:32:55 AM

Matching cards are always your best bet for Crossfire or SLI.
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March 18, 2014 9:30:06 AM

Consider your internet connection and the Elder Scrolls servers also, I've seen a lot of lag complaints about the beta in PVP they may resolve some fixes before it goes live, I would just wait until the finished product,
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March 18, 2014 9:41:49 AM

papablista said:
Consider your internet connection and the Elder Scrolls servers also, I've seen a lot of lag complaints about the beta in PVP they may resolve some fixes before it goes live, I would just wait until the finished product,


Hmmm
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March 18, 2014 4:37:36 PM

papablista said:
Consider your internet connection and the Elder Scrolls servers also, I've seen a lot of lag complaints about the beta in PVP they may resolve some fixes before it goes live, I would just wait until the finished product,


it was clearly computer lag, as the fps dropped too 40 or below, if it was lag the fps would stay the same but i would not be able too move
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March 18, 2014 8:44:52 PM

Alexj1474 said:
papablista said:
Consider your internet connection and the Elder Scrolls servers also, I've seen a lot of lag complaints about the beta in PVP they may resolve some fixes before it goes live, I would just wait until the finished product,


it was clearly computer lag, as the fps dropped too 40 or below, if it was lag the fps would stay the same but i would not be able too move


But, is this the only instance/game your rig does it in, if so I still believe it's the unfinished game,They have a lot of work to do on that game,it is beta.How are your FPS in other multiplayer games..
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March 18, 2014 9:15:37 PM

Denis Stoikovski said:
Go for i5 4th generation if you have tight budget get a i5 3rd if you re gonna do overclock get something with k if you want a regular gaming cpu get i5 3350p or Intel Core i5 3550 avoid the cpu's that end on t and s

^ As far as 4th gen processors, you can't upgrade unless you have newer motherboards that support the LGA1150 socket.


As some people have said in the thread, I would not upgrade to another CPU since I doubt that's going to be the bottleneck on your performance. Having Win8.1 could improve your gaming experience as well for a cheap improvement. What is the connection that you are getting when running speed tests? And if it's affecting your FPS, I'd have said GPU but your card should be enough for that game; you shouldn't have to spend another $300-400 to crossfire or upgrade your CPU.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that your PC build looks like it can easily handle the game's requirements with good FPS. If money is no issue, go all out; but you seem to have a budget, so I think saving that $300 is a very good decision; especially when I do think that it isn't a hardware issue (from the parts you've listed, that is).

The only thing I don't know is the situation with your PSU, RAM latency/speed, and cooling. I'd also look into updating all my essential drivers such as the Chipset, GPU, and NIC (some people forget to actually do this & complain about poor connection). Other than also a virus scan and performance monitor to see where the exact bottleneck, I can't think other economical solutions. However, I don't think any of the hardware you mentioned in the list should have an issue with running Elder Scrolls Online.
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March 19, 2014 8:40:11 AM

EthanPark said:
Denis Stoikovski said:
Go for i5 4th generation if you have tight budget get a i5 3rd if you re gonna do overclock get something with k if you want a regular gaming cpu get i5 3350p or Intel Core i5 3550 avoid the cpu's that end on t and s

^ As far as 4th gen processors, you can't upgrade unless you have newer motherboards that support the LGA1150 socket.


As some people have said in the thread, I would not upgrade to another CPU since I doubt that's going to be the bottleneck on your performance. Having Win8.1 could improve your gaming experience as well for a cheap improvement. What is the connection that you are getting when running speed tests? And if it's affecting your FPS, I'd have said GPU but your card should be enough for that game; you shouldn't have to spend another $300-400 to crossfire or upgrade your CPU.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that your PC build looks like it can easily handle the game's requirements with good FPS. If money is no issue, go all out; but you seem to have a budget, so I think saving that $300 is a very good decision; especially when I do think that it isn't a hardware issue (from the parts you've listed, that is).

The only thing I don't know is the situation with your PSU, RAM latency/speed, and cooling. I'd also look into updating all my essential drivers such as the Chipset, GPU, and NIC (some people forget to actually do this & complain about poor connection). Other than also a virus scan and performance monitor to see where the exact bottleneck, I can't think other economical solutions. However, I don't think any of the hardware you mentioned in the list should have an issue with running Elder Scrolls Online.



im just using the game's own fps monitor. and i just re-flashed the mobo, and i have a 700 watt psu. umm i believe my ram latency was between 8 and 11. i have liquied cooling for the cpu, and no other fans. what is the NIC?
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March 19, 2014 9:08:31 AM

Its an i7 2700 right? If so, I wouldnt bother upgrading, its still a great CPU.
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March 19, 2014 10:33:13 AM

RobCrezz said:
Its an i7 2700 right? If so, I wouldnt bother upgrading, its still a great CPU.


its a i5 2700
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March 19, 2014 10:34:34 AM

Alexj1474 said:
RobCrezz said:
Its an i7 2700 right? If so, I wouldnt bother upgrading, its still a great CPU.


its a i5 2700


i5-2700 doesn't exist i5's are 2300-2400-2450-2500 and 2550! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge
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March 19, 2014 11:00:13 AM

Ahmadjon said:
Alexj1474 said:
RobCrezz said:
Its an i7 2700 right? If so, I wouldnt bother upgrading, its still a great CPU.


its a i5 2700


i5-2700 doesn't exist i5's are 2300-2400-2450-2500 and 2550! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge


^This. Based on clock speed, you have an i5 2500.
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March 20, 2014 4:53:27 AM

papablista said:

the NIC is your network hardware, down load Heaven and run a benchmark post the results.

http://unigine.com/products/heaven/download/


here are the results i i did more then one test
Unigine Heaven Benchmark 4.0
FPS:
50.7
Score:
1276
Min FPS:
9.6
Max FPS:
185.1
System
Platform:
Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1) 64bit
CPU model:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz (3399MHz) x4
GPU model:
AMD Radeon R9 200 Series 13.350.1005.0 (4095MB) x1
Settings
Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1680x1050 fullscreen
Preset
Custom
Quality
Ultra
Tessellation:
Normal



Unigine Heaven Benchmark 4.0
FPS:
7.0
Score:
175
Min FPS:
3.7
Max FPS:
14.1
System
Platform:
Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1) 64bit
CPU model:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz (3399MHz) x4
GPU model:
AMD Radeon R9 200 Series 13.350.1005.0 (4095MB) x1
Settings
Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1680x1050 8xAA fullscreen
Preset
Custom
Quality
High
Multi-monitor
Wall
Tessellation:
Extreme


nigine Heaven Benchmark 4.0
FPS:
26.2
Score:
659
Min FPS:
6.9
Max FPS:
48.9
System
Platform:
Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1) 64bit
CPU model:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz (3399MHz) x4
GPU model:
AMD Radeon R9 200 Series 13.350.1005.0 (4095MB) x1
Settings
Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1680x1050 fullscreen
Preset
Custom
Quality
High
Multi-monitor
Wall
Tessellation:
Normal

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March 20, 2014 7:01:19 AM

Well the first test is good, seems normal. the others wow something seems to be loading up almost like there is a memory leak or something. Like your video card is full and cant accept anymore data. a real stump-er here.I still don't think it is your CPU unless it might be dying have you done any benchmarks on the CPU something like,

http://www.anandtech.com/Bench/CPU/2

OK I just had to edit this because I read your bench marks again and seen that you changed the presets on tessellation and such re run the test a few times using the same settings, Also I may link this to another tech forum I trust and see what is going on here.. Oh and I noticed Multi monitor on the last two runs are you using multimonitors in the ESonline beta
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March 20, 2014 7:39:58 AM

MMO games tend to get cpu bottle necked one way or another. Simply put too much is happening with so many players.
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March 20, 2014 4:04:36 PM

verma1891 said:
Alexj1474 said:
Lol 8 gigs of VRAM is over kill and I have a 700 watt now


VRam Donot adds up. You will have 4GB after SLI.


papablista said:
Well the first test is good, seems normal. the others wow something seems to be loading up almost like there is a memory leak or something. Like your video card is full and cant accept anymore data. a real stump-er here.I still don't think it is your CPU unless it might be dying have you done any benchmarks on the CPU something like,

http://www.anandtech.com/Bench/CPU/2

OK I just had to edit this because I read your bench marks again and seen that you changed the presets on tessellation and such re run the test a few times using the same settings, Also I may link this to another tech forum I trust and see what is going on here.. Oh and I noticed Multi monitor on the last two runs are you using multimonitors in the ESonline beta



I did not stretch the game onto two screens like this test did, this test made it so that each screen only has half a image, that was the lowest test score. I would run eso in windowed full screen and have other windows open on the other screen.

As far as the mother board goes I re-did the whole PC. Reinstalled windows redid drivers everything becuse the computer was so backed up, I even whiped the back of system files. The mother board bios that it was runing was 1000 and the one I put on it was 3978 for the p67 chip board for the first version of the board. When it was runing the 1000 version of the bios the computer was choppy vary choppy everything even the mouse had a hard time moving around, after I reflashed the bios that fixed that part. I figured that fixed the issue.

The lowest test was multy screen and the testing image was splitting half on one screen half on the other, I don't think that card could handle that esp with AA and Teslation on maxed and graphic on high/ ultra.


I have not tested the CPU I will do that when I get home I'm useing the 14.2 driver for amd has that card has been under
Peforming for some reason I read on the net, but I want too conferm myself.

Your going too have too tell me step by step what you want me too do..so it accurate. Thanks
I welcome any help I can get!
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March 27, 2014 2:36:59 PM

Linus will tell you that 4 cores are more than adequate for gaming. Forums will tell you that Intel cores are more than twice as effective as AMD cores.
So Elder Scrolls is wrong if its telling you that your i5 or i7 is causing a bottleneck. You need to go and have a look at your game detail settings though. Find out what is optimum for your GPU.
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