going to buy a new GFX card. which one should i choose? with a reason too
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 8:32:49 AM
BrewthNote
March 20, 2014 8:40:26 AM
Ra_V_en
March 20, 2014 8:40:37 AM
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 8:42:32 AM
NinjaPenguin1
March 20, 2014 8:42:53 AM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 8:44:05 AM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 8:44:46 AM
Ra_V_en
March 20, 2014 8:59:45 AM
NinjaPenguin1 said:
By all of the ones that you have listed the gtx 660 is best. It has the best overall performance, and it is cheaper than the two others, but if i were going for a new graphics card i would rather buy the gtx 760. It is 50$ more expensive, but it's worth it.Any confirmation of that statement or its just another sucked from thumb opinion like many on this forum?
It seems now i need to correct myself ... actually 7870 ~ 660Ti, 7850 ~660 so as far as its not about 660 Ti, 7870 will be either very close or will take a lead over that stake.
There probably are some test on the TH here, but for a quick counter for such bs answers ill put it here:
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7870-vs-GeForce-GTX-660
So if you say "It has the best overall performance" its actually the opposite.
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 9:01:22 AM
NinjaPenguin1
March 20, 2014 9:33:19 AM
Ra_V_en said:
NinjaPenguin1 said:
By all of the ones that you have listed the gtx 660 is best. It has the best overall performance, and it is cheaper than the two others, but if i were going for a new graphics card i would rather buy the gtx 760. It is 50$ more expensive, but it's worth it.Any confirmation of that statement or its just another sucked from thumb opinion like many on this forum?
It seems now i need to correct myself ... actually 7870 ~ 660Ti, 7850 ~660 so as far as its not about 660 Ti, 7870 will be either very close or will take a lead over that stake.
There probably are some test on the TH here, but for a quick counter for such bs answers ill put it here:
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7870-vs-GeForce-GTX-660
So if you say "It has the best overall performance" its actually the opposite.
I looked at the review of the gtx 660 here on the tomshardware site. And it was better than the 7870 and 7850 in all of the tests.
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madhursingh500 said:
ACTUALLY IN MY COUNTRY THREE OF THE CARDS HAVE SAME PRICEThat can't be true. Because performance wise HD 7870 > GTX 660 > HD 7850. So you are probably looking at a crap version of HD 7870 and a good HD 7850 card.
If you already own Corsair VS 450, then go with it. But if you haven't bought it then buy Corsair CX 430
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 10:42:27 AM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 10:44:21 AM
http://www.flipkart.com/xfx-ati-radeon-hd-7870-2-gb-ddr... , in reality it costs 25,000 indian rupees, i will buy it for 15,000 indian rs , means nearly 150$
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 10:47:24 AM
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/xfx-r-7870-2gb-ddr5/147... sorry this one
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Don't trust Flipkart MRP's. They're exaggerated.
@chimera201 He's right. All the three cards are around 16,000 INR.
The 7850 is by ASUS and the seller is WS Retail, and they're an expensive retailer.
The 7870 is from XFX, and their cards are generally cheaper than the others.
The 660 is from MSI, and MSI cards are also generally cheaper. The 660 is down from 18.5K INR to 16.1K INR. Even the GTX780 from MSI(the gaming oc version) is 42K INR whereas the reference Zotac one is 49K INR.
@chimera201 He's right. All the three cards are around 16,000 INR.
The 7850 is by ASUS and the seller is WS Retail, and they're an expensive retailer.
The 7870 is from XFX, and their cards are generally cheaper than the others.
The 660 is from MSI, and MSI cards are also generally cheaper. The 660 is down from 18.5K INR to 16.1K INR. Even the GTX780 from MSI(the gaming oc version) is 42K INR whereas the reference Zotac one is 49K INR.
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madhursingh500 said:
http://www.flipkart.com/xfx-ati-radeon-hd-7870-2-gb-ddr... , in reality it costs 25,000 indian rupees, i will buy it for 15,000 indian rs , means nearly 150$ $150 is not 15000 INR, it's 9000 INR.
madhursingh500 said:
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/xfx-r-7870-2gb-ddr5/147... sorry this one The Flipkart one and this Snapdeal one is exactly the same card, and Flipkart one is cheaper.
If you haven't bought the VS450 yet, don't get it. Get a CX600. It's 4.7k, but buying a 16k card and going cheap on the power supply is not a good idea.
chimera201 said:
If you already own Corsair VS 450, then go with it. But if you haven't bought it then buy Corsair CX 430I don't agree. The 7870 is a 175W card. A CX430 is too weak a PSU to power a 7870.
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NinjaPenguin1
March 20, 2014 11:16:22 AM
chimera201 said:
If you already own Corsair VS 450, then go with it. But if you haven't bought it then buy Corsair CX 430Quote:
I don't agree. The 7870 is a 175W card. A CX430 is too weak a PSU to power a 7870.It is not too weak, if you watch this video you will see for yourself it's enough.
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I've seen many videos like that. However those guys don't put in a number of factors. What if the average temperatures over there are 25C but in India they're 45C? What if the card the OP buys is overclocked and the cards they test are not? What if the OP wants to use his system for 5 years, when the PSU wattage gradually shall decrease?
Do you have answers to these questions? A CX430 or VS450 would be enough, but just barely enough(though I even doubt that about the CX430; it's only 32A on the +12V rail). A CX600 has 40A. So it's a little margin. A PSU will also have slightly higher efficiency in the middle vs. at the higher end.
Do you have answers to these questions? A CX430 or VS450 would be enough, but just barely enough(though I even doubt that about the CX430; it's only 32A on the +12V rail). A CX600 has 40A. So it's a little margin. A PSU will also have slightly higher efficiency in the middle vs. at the higher end.
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NinjaPenguin1
March 20, 2014 11:40:33 AM
cst1992 said:
I've seen many videos like that. However those guys don't put in a number of factors. What if the average temperatures over there are 25C but in India they're 45C? What if the card the OP buys is overclocked and the cards they test are not? What if the OP wants to use his system for 5 years, when the PSU wattage gradually shall decrease?Do you have answers to these questions? A CX430 or VS450 would be enough, but just barely enough(though I even doubt that about the CX430; it's only 32A on the +12V rail). A CX600 has 40A. So it's a little margin. A PSU will also have slightly higher efficiency in the middle vs. at the higher end.
Yeah like you're saying the cx430 will be sufficient, and will probably serve him good for a couple of years. But if he wants to run that system in 5 years he should go for a high quality 500 or 600w PSU
And what you say about the temperatures and pre overclocked, sure the power consumption will rise, but like in the video i linked he used an i5 4670k at 4.4 GHz and a gtx 780ti. And the power consumption in his tests never went over 430w.
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NinjaPenguin1 said:
Yeah like you're saying the cx430 will be sufficient, and will probably serve him good for a couple of years. But if he wants to run that system in 5 years he should go for a high quality 500 or 600w PSU
That's what I'm saying.
NinjaPenguin1 said:
And what you say about the temperatures and pre overclocked, sure the power consumption will rise, but like in the video i linked he used an i5 4670k at 4.4 GHz and a gtx 780ti. And the power consumption in his tests never went over 430w.
Even you'll agree, even if 430W is the peak for the power consumption in that video, you wouldn't recommend a 430W power supply for that setup.
Power supplies shouldn't be pushed right to the limit - a little bit of margin is always good. As I already said, it means a little bit more efficiency, and longer life of the power supply.
And also, a 430W CX430 power supply actually cannot deliver 430W over the +12V rail. That wattage is only 384W. Assuming 200-220W for the rest of the system, a 175w would mean that the total wattage goes to 395W which is more than the CX430 can provide. I'd have recommended a CX500 even, but that is 34A; only 24W more for a total rated wattage increase of 70W.
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Then why don't you buy this
ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce GTX660 2GB Rs. 14416
I suggested CX 430 since he has a budget of Corsair VS 450. If he is willing to increase his budget i would suggest Seasonic S12 II Bronze 520
ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce GTX660 2GB Rs. 14416
I suggested CX 430 since he has a budget of Corsair VS 450. If he is willing to increase his budget i would suggest Seasonic S12 II Bronze 520
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NinjaPenguin1
March 20, 2014 12:04:10 PM
cst1992 said:
Even you'll agree, even if 430W is the peak for the power consumption in that video, you wouldn't recommend a 430W power supply for that setup.Power supplies shouldn't be pushed right to the limit - a little bit of margin is always good. As I already said, it means a little bit more efficiency, and longer life of the power supply.
And also, a 430W CX430 power supply actually cannot deliver 430W over the +12V rail. That wattage is only 384W. Assuming 200-220W for the rest of the system, a 175w would mean that the total wattage goes to 395W which is more than the CX430 can provide. I'd have recommended a CX500 even, but that is 34A; only 24W more for a total rated wattage increase of 70W.
I didn't know it would only deliver 384w, i thought it could at least deliver 410w. Than you're right that he should go for a 500w PSU, but a high quality 450w like a rm 450 would also do it, as it actually delivers 450w.
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cst1992 said:
In India, the Seasonic and Corsair high end power supplies are very expensive. The Seasonic 520W is 5.2k and the RM450 is 7k. That's a lot of money for a 450W PSU. So naturally people go for the VS series. However, the VS series is also the worst of Corsair's PSU line(sadly).If i remember correctly i think i suggested u to buy the CX 430 and gave u knowledge about PSUs
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 12:55:55 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 12:59:13 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:01:31 PM
chimera201 said:
cst1992 said:
In India, the Seasonic and Corsair high end power supplies are very expensive. The Seasonic 520W is 5.2k and the RM450 is 7k. That's a lot of money for a 450W PSU. So naturally people go for the VS series. However, the VS series is also the worst of Corsair's PSU line(sadly).If i remember correctly i think i suggested u to buy the CX 430 and gave u knowledge about PSUs
That's correct, but 7th November 2013 to 21st March 2014 is a long time, and I've gathered some knowledge of my own.
I sincerely do NOT think a VS450 or even less, a CX430 will support a 7870.
@OP If you already have the VS450, then get the GTX660 or the 7850. The 7870's power consumpution is too high for your power supply to support reliably.
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madhursingh500 said:
PEOPLE ,I ALREADY HAVE THE VS450
AND ITS NOT THE ASIAN VERSION WHICH GIVES LOW OUTPUT , ITS A POWERFUL VERSION
Corsair PSU's come from the UK. My CX430 has a UK cable supplied with it. Obviously I couldn't use it.
There is no 'asian' version or 'powerful' version. There's a genuine and duplicate, and there a bad product and a good product.
And stop typing in capital letters. Being Indian/illiterate/ignorant is not an excuse.
It directly amounts to yelling, and that's very uncool to do.
Most of all, it does not help in reading the post(it actually hurts it) and it does not help in emphasizing your point.
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:17:24 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:23:07 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:24:13 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:25:47 PM
All right, let's cut the crap, and I'll say it to the point.
The 7870 uses just too much power for the VS450 to handle. So 7870 is out of the question if you already have that PSU.
The 7850 uses a little less power than the 660 but it's also slower, so no point getting it for the same price.
The GTX660 is your best choice.
The 7870 uses just too much power for the VS450 to handle. So 7870 is out of the question if you already have that PSU.
The 7850 uses a little less power than the 660 but it's also slower, so no point getting it for the same price.
The GTX660 is your best choice.
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:34:08 PM
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Card will not necessarily be damaged, but it may shut down during gaming or under heavy load.
Blue screens, shorter life of card/power supply, power supply burning out(and sometimes taking the card/CPU with it), are some of the drawbacks, if you want to know.
One of the drawbacks that goes unnoticed is reduced performance. If there is not sufficient current to the card, its performance is also reduced. But it goes unnoticed as most people have really no means to verify performance.
Blue screens, shorter life of card/power supply, power supply burning out(and sometimes taking the card/CPU with it), are some of the drawbacks, if you want to know.
One of the drawbacks that goes unnoticed is reduced performance. If there is not sufficient current to the card, its performance is also reduced. But it goes unnoticed as most people have really no means to verify performance.
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:41:01 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:46:28 PM
Alan Scantlebury
March 20, 2014 1:50:26 PM
Alan Scantlebury
March 20, 2014 1:51:53 PM
madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:53:30 PM
http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-vapor-x-hd-795... let this come in stock
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 1:55:31 PM
http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-vs650-650-watt-psu/p/it... i found this PSU
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Alan Scantlebury
March 20, 2014 1:56:41 PM
madhursingh500 said:
http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-vapor-x-hd-795... let this come in stockYou'd require a new PSU for that. You've had your answer me thinks
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Alan Scantlebury
March 20, 2014 1:58:12 PM
That would handle the 7950.
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madhursingh500
March 20, 2014 2:02:58 PM
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