Who is right??

TehCaucasianAsian · Mar 20, 2014

I've made threads before about my computer and my friend's build, but I've really gotten tired of the things he's said about my parts I used. I went for a value machine, using the FX 6300 and R9 270 with 8GB of RAM. His build was also made for gaming with value not quite in mind, with an i7, 16GB of RAM, and a 660 SC, all powered by a Platinum certified 750W PSU. According to PCPartPicker his build uses about 300W so that supply was a total waste since he has no upgrade plans. I've told this person countless times that he didn't need to buy an i7 or more than 8GB of RAM for strictly gaming and that his claims of his 660 being better than my 270 are straight up false. I have a better overclocking card as well as the smaller card, mine runs cooler and has two quiet fans over the one louder one on his card. I can match or beat his gaming performance with a card that cost me $20 less and he says his is better for reasons that piss me off. He says that the cuda benchmarks and other meaningless stuff mean that nVidia is better, that just because I can get similar every day performance doesn't mean I didn't waste my money on "AMD shit". His arguments are terrible. My CPU, as well, gets trash talk, since it can't compete clock for clock with Intel. Who cares? Its faster than it needs to be and I paid A THIRD for it over the i7 3770 non k he bought. Benchmarks might score better but he can't even best my setup that cost me less than $800 when his was $1300. His claims of Intel beating AMD are just idiotic bias and I want to know what you think. Had my friend spent $800 using Intel and nvidia vs my AMD build, who would have the better setup? Heat and power are only slight issues in my mind, since the difference in reality is laughable. I strongly defend AMD for better value (when the prices aren't inflated) and just better hardware overall and my friend is an incredibly biased person so I can't get any decent opinions from him. Please give me a rational opinion

Mephikun · Mar 20, 2014

Well he's wasted about $250 in CPU and excessive RAM alone, the 270 is better than the 660 in most games, etc.

He could have gone with a Core i5-4670K and gotten roughly the same performance.

Good on you for sticking to what you believe in and being far less biased than him. AMD = Value, Intel = More expensive but better performance.

So yes, he wasted money.

St0rm_KILL3r · Mar 20, 2014

Well keeping in mind that he has 3770 and gtx 660 and you have fx 6300 and r9 270. He will get a few fps more than you would on every game. r9 270 is better than gtx 660 but 3770 is a quite much better than fx 6300. But your's build is definitely more value for money as you get only a few less fps for $500 cheaper build. But if you oc your cpu in some or most of the games you will outperform his rig.

DarkSable · Mar 20, 2014

You are correct, he made some ridiculous choices because he thought that more expensive was better.

A cheaper system with an i5, 8GB of ram, and a 670 or 760 (along with a 550w power supply, which is all he needs) would easily, EASILY outperform his rig between having a better graphics card and an overclockable CPU.

Yes, your rig is probably a little bit worse than his, especially in CPU heavy games like battlefield... but for $500 difference, it's really not that far behind, since he made horrible choices, doesn't bother listening to what's actually true, and just quotes propaganda. It's likely because he doesn't want to admit that he didn't bother knowing what he was doing before spending a whole bunch of money on something he would have to regret if he let himself admit it was a poor choice.

pyr0_m4n · Mar 20, 2014

He's not right, but not wrong either.
1. I7 3770: Hyperthreaded CPU's are considerably better for video rendering and multi process applications. For a purely gaming consideration, its helpful, but not by enough to justify the cost, at least to me.
2. 16GB RAM: That's overkill for strictly games. I've got multiple high usage programs running behind my games and even my most demanding games that require 3-4GB of RAM I easily run on my 8GB. Unless he plans on extreme multitasking, I'd say its overboard.
3. AMD: There's nothing wrong with AMD. They make quality parts. Also, the difference between your 270 and his 660 are marginal at best with maybe a 10% gap at its peak. That's also going to be influenced by how well a game is optimized for a certain card.

Onus · Mar 20, 2014

Although I'm sure it wasn't your intention, this thread could easily become a flame-fest, precisely because your friend's attitude is not uncommon, whichever side of the specious AMD vs. Intel / AMD vs. nVidia argument a person supports.
IMHO, you have the right attitude (right up until the very end). Your system does everything you need it to do, to your satisfaction, and cost less. That your friend's CPU might run rings around yours in benchmarks is simply not relevant, when you are playing the games you want at the quality settings and frame rates you want. I should point out though, that there are some games out there that would probably not run too well on your CPU, that his would handle easily; if you don't play them though, it doesn't matter.
I believe your graphics cards offer similar performance, but on average you may have a small edge depending on the clocks and settings. Depending on the game (and on the drivers), either of you could have the higher frame rates or better settings. He has PhysX, which you won't, but a) few games use it, and b) a lot of people don't care or hardly notice a difference.
Yes, overall your friend has the faster machine, but it is a speed difference that may not show up in day-to-day use. I suspect the $500 difference in their price was much more visible, assuming quality is similar (e.g. you aren't using a Logisys PSU-shaped object or trying to overclock on a MSI 970A-G4x motherboard).

pyr0_m4n · Mar 20, 2014

Onus :

Technically, he could have Physx if he wanted to, couldn't he? When I used a 7970 for Borderlands 2, I just had to edit some config files and transfer the load onto my CPU. The in game option was grayed out, but I had Physx.

Onus · Mar 20, 2014

Sort-of. PhysX will run on the CPU, but nowhere near as well, and as you did, sometimes driver games have to be played.

pyr0_m4n · Mar 20, 2014

Onus :

Not to get off topic or anything, but I noticed you had the same board and CPU as me. I was wondering how stable that OC is and what kind of heat you're putting out. I'm having issues with mine.

Onus · Mar 20, 2014

I list two configs in my .sig. Which one? I'm guessing the Asus because only that one shows an OC. It's been rock-solid. I only went for 4.2; haven't tried for more. The ASRock is at stock, and will stay there due to the limitations of the tiny case on its ability to remove heat.

pyr0_m4n · Mar 20, 2014

Onus :

Sorry. I meant the Maximus V Gene build. Love that board btw. Anyway, I got a 212 EVO on my 3570k yet when i'm at 3.8GHz, I'm hitting 60-65C at room temp (76F) I was hoping that my 212 could handle a little more than that.

TehCaucasianAsian · Mar 21, 2014

Onus :

Yes, it's true that our GPUs are marginally different, very little is actually better about mine. However, I overclock mine to be a higher speed than his. He keeps his 660 at the stock clock, but since it's a superclocked card it's a pretty high stock clock. I messed with the config of MSI Afterburner and I OC up to 1150MHz and the memory up to 1575MHz. When not overclocked, our performance is near identical, but I always win when OC'd against him. He thinks that the higher-than-1000MHz clock is more than enough and that any higher is useless, basically. Once again, something that is annoying to me but isn't completely false.

TehCaucasianAsian · Mar 21, 2014

pyr0_m4n :

He only uses his build for gaming, though he tried mining once. Once he realized nVidia sucks at mining, he found that as an excuse to call AMD shit which really made no sense. Something about "Mining will kill all of that weak AMD crap because nVidia is higher quality", so he's so effing biased. He never intensely multitasks and doesn't understand that when I use 30% of my 8GB of RAM and he uses 30% of his 16GB that I'm using less memory than him. So that I actually facepalm to, since he criticizes my G.Skill RAM saying that Corsair is the best. His bias with products is just so terrible.

TehCaucasianAsian · Mar 21, 2014

DarkSable :

Probably true, the 6300 is a great CPU just not that powerful. It's what I wanted though, good but not the best. Something that works well with no BS. And I can see how he would feel stupid about spending in the wrong places. I found a gaming benchmark that clearly showed how a 270X (AKA My overlcocked 270) could kick the overclocked 660's ass, he claimed the benchmarks were tampered, and one time we were playing Borderlands 2 and I had like 10 FPS more than him and he said there was no way I had the game maxed out. I sent him a screenshot but he just kept saying that i changed the settings for the picture and that the only reason the game was even playable was because I played at low. It's easy to see why I'm pretty much raging right now. He's a great friend, just unbearably biased

TehCaucasianAsian · Mar 21, 2014

St0rm_KILL3r :

I only have stock cooling currently, but I do OC my GPU pretty high since stock clock is only 900MHz on the core. I bump it up to 1.15GHz, but even at stock I match his performance so maybe I just got a better made card, like one of those lucky cards that performs above all others of the same type

DarkSable · Mar 23, 2014

TehCaucasianAsian :

Write him off as a rich noob.

If he does have a brain in his head, he's being willfully ignorant - if he doesn't, then it's a typical case of more money than brains.

cst1992 · Mar 23, 2014

Some people are that type - just willfully ignorant. That's plain ego, nothing else.
BTW you could stick an 8350 in that build anytime you want - his 3770 is not that much of a big deal compared to the 8350, especially when it's power is just too much for games.

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