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Does ram speed matter for a gaming pc?

I'm building my first pc (A budget gaming rig) for 600$ and i'm trying to choose ram. I think i need about 8gbs but i don't know what speed i need. Can somone help me out?
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  1. Not enough to make it matter. CPU and GPU will be what determines how your gaming rig will perform. Using say DDR3-2133 vs DDR3-1600 won't make more than a couple of FPS difference. Use whatever memory speed your motherboard and processor recommend unless your going to do any overclocking.
  2. DDR3 1600Mhz RAM 2 x 4GB would be best for you.

    anything above 1600Mhz is OC (Over Clocking) RAM.
  3. So what ram speed would i need if i was going to overclock? Just curious.
  4. Even with overclocking, memory speed will not make that big of a deal. Without knowing any specifications on your proposed "budget" gaming build is, I can almost assure you that you won't have to worry much about overclocking. Like I said in the last reply, just use whatever memory your motherboard and processor are rated to run at, usually DDR3- 1600. If you want to play the overclocking game, get the memory with the fastest timings your motherboard supports. That will mean you should be able to technically overclock your system beyond it's rated specifications.
  5. BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.
  6. Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.


    False.
  7. Rationale said:
    Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.


    False.


    Try it.
  8. Its_Byte_00 said:
    Rationale said:
    Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.


    False.


    Try it.


    Show me a benchmark, or it's false.
  9. Haven't tried it myself, but have seen some interesting articles and heard from folks that love BF4 with fast sticks and 16GB, here's one article from Corsair

    http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2013/october/battlefield-4-loves-high-speed-memory
  10. And this shows that there's at most a 6 fps difference, usually more like 2 fps.
    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/11/27/battlefield-4-performance-analysis/9

    That Corsair benchmark couldn't possibly be motivated by the fact that Corsair sells gaming RAM...
  11. If you are only doing gaming at one time and only playing one game at one time, it won't really be a very noticeable difference. CPU and GPU make the differences in speed and graphics, as well as a good monitor.
  12. Echocookie said:
    If you are only doing gaming at one time and only playing one game at one time, it won't really be a very noticeable difference. CPU and GPU make the differences in speed and graphics, as well as a good monitor.


    Google It.
  13. Its_Byte_00 said:
    Echocookie said:
    If you are only doing gaming at one time and only playing one game at one time, it won't really be a very noticeable difference. CPU and GPU make the differences in speed and graphics, as well as a good monitor.


    Google It.


    I already did. The performance difference from 1333mhz RAM to 2400mhz is usually 1-3 fps, even in Battlefield 4.
  14. Memory speeds for gaming are insignificant. You really just need some basic memory along the lines of this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231538

    If you have a 770 for example you're going to runt he game on Ultra/1080P well enough to not need to worry about 1-3fps.
  15. With ram there is obviously MHz and timings/ latency.
    The easiest way I can explain it is MHz is like a highway, the more MHz the wider the highway and the more cars (processes) that can go on/take place. Most ALL of the time the higher the MHz, the slower the latency, such as say 2133mhz with 10-11 cas latency. Latency is how fast cars travel through the highway. The lower the MHz, generally the faster the cas latency, 1333 MHz ram with 7 cas latency is very common. This is why the 2133 MHz 11 cas latency ram performs almost the same as 1333 MHz ram at 7 cas latency. Sure 2133 MHz ram can have more cars pass at once, but they do so slower.
  16. I know this is old, but LIfeHacker did a good video on it, saying what most knowledgeable tech guys have said for some time, the speed of your DDR3 does not make that much a difference.

    http://lifehacker.com/when-ram-speed-matters-and-how-it-affects-your-games-1436679680
  17. That's why I have these

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638

    2400mhz with a CAS latency of 9

    I have two sets of them for a total of 16gb across 4 dimms. Anybody know if that makes it quad channel?
  18. Not on a Z87 which is a dual channel mobo - quad channel in PCs exist with the 2011 mobos. All your sticks are in dual channel
  19. Tradesman1 said:
    Not on a Z87 which is a dual channel mobo - quad channel in PCs exist with the 2011 mobos. All your sticks are in dual channel


    what I thought, thanks mayn.
  20. No worries ;)
  21. Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.

    l0l not ture at allllll maybe 2.3fps
  22. Noah Evans said:
    I'm building my first pc (A budget gaming rig) for 600$ and i'm trying to choose ram. I think i need about 8gbs but i don't know what speed i need. Can somone help me out?


    Yes, it does matter, especially if you are using a GPU in place of a dedicated graphics card.
  23. Gordon Clark said:
    Noah Evans said:
    I'm building my first pc (A budget gaming rig) for 600$ and i'm trying to choose ram. I think i need about 8gbs but i don't know what speed i need. Can somone help me out?


    Yes, it does matter, especially if you are using a GPU in place of a dedicated graphics card.


    Don't you mean APU?
    There is a significant boost in fps when running an APU together with higher MHz Ram on games.
    Ref. JayzTwoCent tested this on BF4(Check Youtube)
    On a system with traditional CPU and separate GPU there is no advantage of higher MHz Ram.
  24. u can get c heap video card for like 70$ >.> and sli it and get god frames
  25. czure said:
    With ram there is obviously MHz and timings/ latency.
    The easiest way I can explain it is MHz is like a highway, the more MHz the wider the highway and the more cars (processes) that can go on/take place. Most ALL of the time the higher the MHz, the slower the latency, such as say 2133mhz with 10-11 cas latency. Latency is how fast cars travel through the highway. The lower the MHz, generally the faster the cas latency, 1333 MHz ram with 7 cas latency is very common. This is why the 2133 MHz 11 cas latency ram performs almost the same as 1333 MHz ram at 7 cas latency. Sure 2133 MHz ram can have more cars pass at once, but they do so slower.
    I know you posted this a long time ago, and this thread too, but I have to say, as someone quite unknown to the PC Gaming world, that is an absolutely outstanding way to explain it. If you are still an active user, thank you so very much for such a well-spoken explanation.
  26. dexter2 said:
    czure said:
    With ram there is obviously MHz and timings/ latency.
    The easiest way I can explain it is MHz is like a highway, the more MHz the wider the highway and the more cars (processes) that can go on/take place. Most ALL of the time the higher the MHz, the slower the latency, such as say 2133mhz with 10-11 cas latency. Latency is how fast cars travel through the highway. The lower the MHz, generally the faster the cas latency, 1333 MHz ram with 7 cas latency is very common. This is why the 2133 MHz 11 cas latency ram performs almost the same as 1333 MHz ram at 7 cas latency. Sure 2133 MHz ram can have more cars pass at once, but they do so slower.
    I know you posted this a long time ago, and this thread too, but I have to say, as someone quite unknown to the PC Gaming world, that is an absolutely outstanding way to explain it. If you are still an active user, thank you so very much for such a well-spoken explanation.



    You can also read this
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ddr-dram-faq,4154.html
  27. X79 said:
    dexter2 said:
    czure said:
    With ram there is obviously MHz and timings/ latency.
    The easiest way I can explain it is MHz is like a highway, the more MHz the wider the highway and the more cars (processes) that can go on/take place. Most ALL of the time the higher the MHz, the slower the latency, such as say 2133mhz with 10-11 cas latency. Latency is how fast cars travel through the highway. The lower the MHz, generally the faster the cas latency, 1333 MHz ram with 7 cas latency is very common. This is why the 2133 MHz 11 cas latency ram performs almost the same as 1333 MHz ram at 7 cas latency. Sure 2133 MHz ram can have more cars pass at once, but they do so slower.
    I know you posted this a long time ago, and this thread too, but I have to say, as someone quite unknown to the PC Gaming world, that is an absolutely outstanding way to explain it. If you are still an active user, thank you so very much for such a well-spoken explanation.



    You can also read this
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ddr-dram-faq,4154.html
    Cheers!
  28. Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.


    That's a joke man don't get people confused.

    Unless you use an APU optimized for 2133mhz memory you won't see any noticeable difference. And even with and apu i doubt the difference is that huge.
  29. Oliver_21 said:
    Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.


    That's a joke man don't get people confused.

    Unless you use an APU optimized for 2133mhz memory you won't see any noticeable difference. And even with and apu i doubt the difference is that huge.


    have an APU and used it for a long time without a proper GPU. At first i had 1333 mhz rams. The fps were dissaster i couldnt even run minecraft with 20 fps. So then i bought OC rams Kingston Beast 16gb 2400 mhz. The fps boost was like Its_Byte_00 said: fps boost 20 minimum. MINIMUM!!! I had great fps (well not great but playable) So i was able to play csgo with around 60fps (Playable but laggy). Without the fast rams csgo would have run at 20 fps max.
  30. Napoleon3411 said:
    Oliver_21 said:
    Its_Byte_00 said:
    BF4 1600mhz to 2133 is almost a 23fps gain minimum.


    That's a joke man don't get people confused.

    Unless you use an APU optimized for 2133mhz memory you won't see any noticeable difference. And even with and apu i doubt the difference is that huge.


    have an APU and used it for a long time without a proper GPU. At first i had 1333 mhz rams. The fps were dissaster i couldnt even run minecraft with 20 fps. So then i bought OC rams Kingston Beast 16gb 2400 mhz. The fps boost was like Its_Byte_00 said: fps boost 20 minimum. MINIMUM!!! I had great fps (well not great but playable) So i was able to play csgo with around 60fps (Playable but laggy). Without the fast rams csgo would have run at 20 fps max.



    OK my bad however the guy who said that jumping from 1600mhz to 2133mhz is a 23 FPS increasement din't mention the thing with the APUs
  31. As of Ram Frequency does matter w/o a doubt, however it didn't mattered 2 years back. Get the highest frequency RAM to get best results.

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-intel-skylake-core-i5-6500-review

    The above Eurogamer test prove that new games have affinity for higher speed RAM. Infact, Eurogamer went ahead and have said that higher speed ram is similar to overclocking cpu and the result does indicate that.

    Browse through the page you will find ram + cpu speed benchmark, 3.2 ghz with 3200 MHz ram = 4.5 ghz with 2666 MHz ram.

    Personally I have a skylake system and 2133 to 2666 MHz has a performance difference. With 2666 MHz ram the fps stays at 60 fps for most of the time, it feels more fluid.

    However if you are playing a lot of old games 2014 or before you might not notice any difference.
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  33. This is why I'm not doing a complete system rebuild for a couple more years. I'm upgrading my GPU to an EVGA GTX 1080 hybrid or an msi GTX 1080 seahawk, getting a new and better AIO liquid cooler for my CPU (NZXT X41) as my recent AIO cooler's pump for my CPU failed and now I'm using my backup Coolermaster Hyper N520 to cool my CPU, it is by no means loud, but when you've gone three years liquid cooling everything in your system, it's hard to go back to a louder PC, hell, my GPUs never break 45 degrees C even when they're at 100% load and overclocked to the max, and they're cooled by Corsair H55's (Yes I'm aware the Seahawk uses an H55.) Yup after that I'm calling it a day for a couple years.

    To stay a little on topic, when I overclock my ram from its 1600mhz cas 11 default to 2400mhz cas 9 I gain around 6 or 7 FPS in Firestrike and my score is usually 800 points higher. On other games I get about the same FPS boost.

    I know this thread started 2 years ago but I'll tell you right now. 8GB of ram isn't gonna cut it these days unless you're a serious budget. When I play Doom 4 and Mirror's Edge Catalyst and even Titanfall I'm usually using about 10-12GB of RAM (I monitor RAM usage as well as GPU and CPU load and temperature with Rivatuner through msi Afterburner) I thought maybe there were background programs running so I figured I may as well reformat my computer cause it'd been about 9 or 10 months. Nope, those games still used the same amount of RAM.

    Nowadays 8GB of ram ain't gonna cut it, one needs 16GB, I just hope that there is a day when system RAM and VRAM are on the same page so the GPU can access system RAM if it needs too without a bottleneck.
  34. opio said:
    This is why I'm not doing a complete system rebuild for a couple more years. I'm upgrading my GPU to an EVGA GTX 1080 hybrid or an msi GTX 1080 seahawk, getting a new and better AIO liquid cooler for my CPU (NZXT X41) as my recent AIO cooler's pump for my CPU failed and now I'm using my backup Coolermaster Hyper N520 to cool my CPU, it is by no means loud, but when you've gone three years liquid cooling everything in your system, it's hard to go back to a louder PC, hell, my GPU's never break 45 degrees C even when they're at 100% load, and they're Corsair H55's (Yes I'm aware the Seahawk uses an H55.) Yup after that I'm calling it a day for a couple years.

    To stay a little on topic, when I overclock my ram from its 1600mhz cas 11 default to 2400mhz cas 9 I gain around 6 or 7 FPS in Firestrike and my score is usually 800 points higher. On other games I get about the same FPS boost.

    I know this thread started 2 years ago but I'll tell you right now. 8GB of ram isn't gonna cut it these days unless you're a serious budget. When I play Doom 4 and Mirror's Edge Catalyst and even Titanfall I'm usually using about 10-12GB of RAM (I monitor RAM usage as well as GPU and CPU load and temperature with Rivatuner through msi Afterburner) I thought maybe there were background programs running so I figured I may as well reformat my computer cause it'd been about 9 or 10 months. Nope, those games still use the same amount of RAM.

    Nowadays 8GB of ram ain't gonna cut it, one needs 16GB
    i heard somewhere that GTA V, Witcher 3 and Just Cause runs better with 16GB RAM instead of 8Gb.
  35. My advice is always not to buy the slowest RAM, but not to spend $$$ on the very fastest either. You can get good RAM for a good price if you shoot for the 2800MHz-3200MHz range (assuming DDR4). And never get less, expecting to add more later - get enough for the next several years because the memory you add later might not play nicely with what you get initially. I recommend 32GB for graphics professionals, 16GB for gamers, and 8GB for light web browsing and business applications.
  36. HyperCat said:
    opio said:
    This is why I'm not doing a complete system rebuild for a couple more years. I'm upgrading my GPU to an EVGA GTX 1080 hybrid or an msi GTX 1080 seahawk, getting a new and better AIO liquid cooler for my CPU (NZXT X41) as my recent AIO cooler's pump for my CPU failed and now I'm using my backup Coolermaster Hyper N520 to cool my CPU, it is by no means loud, but when you've gone three years liquid cooling everything in your system, it's hard to go back to a louder PC, hell, my GPU's never break 45 degrees C even when they're at 100% load, and they're Corsair H55's (Yes I'm aware the Seahawk uses an H55.) Yup after that I'm calling it a day for a couple years.

    To stay a little on topic, when I overclock my ram from its 1600mhz cas 11 default to 2400mhz cas 9 I gain around 6 or 7 FPS in Firestrike and my score is usually 800 points higher. On other games I get about the same FPS boost.

    I know this thread started 2 years ago but I'll tell you right now. 8GB of ram isn't gonna cut it these days unless you're a serious budget. When I play Doom 4 and Mirror's Edge Catalyst and even Titanfall I'm usually using about 10-12GB of RAM (I monitor RAM usage as well as GPU and CPU load and temperature with Rivatuner through msi Afterburner) I thought maybe there were background programs running so I figured I may as well reformat my computer cause it'd been about 9 or 10 months. Nope, those games still use the same amount of RAM.

    Nowadays 8GB of ram ain't gonna cut it, one needs 16GB
    i heard somewhere that GTA V, Witcher 3 and Just Cause runs better with 16GB RAM instead of 8Gb.



    I'd imagine so. Hell I remember 8 gigs of ram for gaming was just fine 3 years ago, now 16 gigs is the obvious choice. Hopefully in 15 years we'll use Hybrid Memory Cube so we don't need to get RAM and a SSD or HDD, it'll all be one unit.
  37. scuzzycard said:
    My advice is always not to buy the slowest RAM, but not to spend $$$ on the very fastest either. You can get good RAM for a good price if you shoot for the 2800MHz-3200MHz range (assuming DDR4). And never get less, expecting to add more later - get enough for the next several years because the memory you add later might not play nicely with what you get initially. I recommend 32GB for graphics professionals, 16GB for gamers, and 8GB for light web browsing and business applications.


    The difference between 8GB and 16GB is minimal. It's not worth it to get 16GB for gaming and 4GB might work but it's not ideal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytl2IUHU6pI

    And 8GB is fine for normal tasks though 4GB It's still pretty good I run windows 10 64 bit and my maximum utilization is 3.1 GB with dozens of pages and applications opened. Notice that i have a dedicated GPU

    Using an integrated GPU you might need more RAM but don't think It's such a great deal

    For a basic computer things like a faster storage are more relevant than getting more RAM or a better CPU

    Onless
  38. some good answers and opinions from many, here is my 2 cents of advice,

    as you didnt post any specs and say it is a budget build $600, 8gb of what ever memory supports you MB DDR3/DDr4
    go with the highest mHz verses value for money

    that said that is because you're on budget if not for that i would say 16 gb
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-ram,4057.html i am sure you must of already read this but if not it may help

    Here are some bench marks and comparisons for gaming 8gb vs 16 gb vs 32 for latest memory demanding games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytl2IUHU6pI

    these are more important than Ram - GPU , CPU and monitor once they are sorted out use left over on best ram choice
  39. Oliver_21 said:
    scuzzycard said:
    My advice is always not to buy the slowest RAM, but not to spend $$$ on the very fastest either. You can get good RAM for a good price if you shoot for the 2800MHz-3200MHz range (assuming DDR4). And never get less, expecting to add more later - get enough for the next several years because the memory you add later might not play nicely with what you get initially. I recommend 32GB for graphics professionals, 16GB for gamers, and 8GB for light web browsing and business applications.


    The difference between 8GB and 16GB is minimal. It's not worth it to get 16GB for gaming and 4GB might work but it's not ideal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytl2IUHU6pI

    And 8GB is fine for normal tasks though 4GB It's still pretty good I run windows 10 64 bit and my maximum utilization is 3.1 GB with dozens of pages and applications opened. Notice that i have a dedicated GPU

    Using an integrated GPU you might need more RAM but don't think It's such a great deal

    For a basic computer things like a faster storage are more relevant than getting more RAM or a better CPU

    Onless



    Memory is cheap and lots of games run better with 16. You'll also save money because you won't have to about buying RAM later that has compatibility issues with your current RAM, as I already stated.
  40. scuzzycard said:
    Oliver_21 said:
    scuzzycard said:
    My advice is always not to buy the slowest RAM, but not to spend $$$ on the very fastest either. You can get good RAM for a good price if you shoot for the 2800MHz-3200MHz range (assuming DDR4). And never get less, expecting to add more later - get enough for the next several years because the memory you add later might not play nicely with what you get initially. I recommend 32GB for graphics professionals, 16GB for gamers, and 8GB for light web browsing and business applications.


    The difference between 8GB and 16GB is minimal. It's not worth it to get 16GB for gaming and 4GB might work but it's not ideal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytl2IUHU6pI

    And 8GB is fine for normal tasks though 4GB It's still pretty good I run windows 10 64 bit and my maximum utilization is 3.1 GB with dozens of pages and applications opened. Notice that i have a dedicated GPU

    Using an integrated GPU you might need more RAM but don't think It's such a great deal

    For a basic computer things like a faster storage are more relevant than getting more RAM or a better CPU

    Onless



    Memory is cheap and lots of games run better with 16. You'll also save money because you won't have to about buying RAM later that has compatibility issues with your current RAM, as I already stated.


    If you watch the video the gain of performance is 1 or 2 FPS as maximum

    It's not worth it

    If you feel like getting 16GB you can do it in the future
  41. 8GB is the low entry point, 16GB is preferred as newer games are on track to require more DRAM, since the game developeers have started factoring DRAM in higher speed is also becoming something to look at

    http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-intel-skylake-core-i5-6500-review
  42. Tradesman1 said:
    8GB is the low entry point, 16GB is preferred as newer games are on track to require more DRAM, since the game developeers have started factoring DRAM in higher speed is also becoming something to look at

    http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-intel-skylake-core-i5-6500-review


    For a very long time games worked fine with 4GB. It comes with no surprise that games are just being optimized for 8GB so I do not see the need of more RAM, specially on a low budget PC
  43. 8GB has been entry level for gaming for a couple years now and 16GB is becoming the entry level
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