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March 24, 2014 6:56:31 PM

Hello all,
I am looking to purchase a new laptop to replace my now aging Lenovo Ideapad Y550. I do not do a large amount of gaming on my laptop as I have my desktop for that, but I find myself traveling overseas more and more for work. With that said, I am looking for something a bit more adequate to replace my current laptop.

Here are its specificaitons:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo - 2.13 GHz - Processor - P7450
Memory: 4gb DDR3-1066
Harddrive - 300gb
Display - 15.6" HD LED Backlight display
Video - Nvidia Geforce Gt240 - 1GB GDDR
Internet Connectivity: 10/100/1000 ethernet and Wireless 802.11n (Intel WiFi Link 5100)
Operating System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Connections: VGA output, HDMI output, 2x USB, 1x USB/eSATA combo, headphone, mic, ethernet, 6 in 1 SD card reader (Memory Stick, XD, Memory Stick Pro, Multi Media Card, SecureDigital Pro, Secure Digital)
Built in 1.3 MP webcam
DVDRW Optical Drive

I had extended the laptops life by adding an SSD, but I am now having issues with most modern games. Playing on low settings just isn't working for me any longer. Now with that in mind I am looking a couple of machines. I will be putting a 90gb ssd into any machine I buy as well.

Machines:

1. Lenovo - Y510P - $899.99
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2. Toshiba Qosmio - X70 (There is not direct link so I will post the specifications of the unit as I customized) Core i5-4200m, 8gb Ram, Nvidia GTX 770M 3gb, 750gb 5400rpm spin drive - 999.99

3. MSI GE60 - 999.99
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I know in the desktop environment, the difference between an i5 and i7 for gaming is virtually no existent. Does this hold true for the laptop versions as well? In other words, would I see enough of a performance increase to justify going to the i7? Keep in mind, battery life isn't really important to me. The Qosmio is a bigger laptop overall which isn't an issue, but again allows me customization. I think it also has an additional harddrive bay where I could slap my ssd into and not use an external.

ANy thoughts about those machines versus others that might be on the market? I would like to keep the budget around 1100 at most as I don't travel enough to justify one more expensive than that.

Thanks
Chris

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March 24, 2014 7:14:16 PM

Perfect, The Lenovo y510p is one the best bang for your bucks, and plus my friend has it and he says it's just great cheaper gaming laptops. I don't see major differences with i7 or i5 and plus since you have a desktop you be editing there if any editing at all. Since you have 1100 to spend go with the Ge70 or the toshiba you chose. they both have better processor if that what you want and better graphics chips.
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March 25, 2014 3:59:19 AM

Construkt,

When I am on the road, I game on the machine. I don't care one bit about battery life as it is not a concern at all. I rarely ever have the battery in the laptop to begin with unless it is for some reason required. Will a single GT 750 give me what I want in terms of graphical performance. I am looking for something that will play medium to high without significant lag.
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March 26, 2014 4:23:50 AM

Construkt,

That's about what I figured. Battery life isn't a huge huge issue as I said I use my laptops plugged in and never on battery. The heat issue is something I was concerned about for sure. I had taken a look at the MSI GE60 with a single GPU. I know the 765 isn't as good as the 755m sli, but would I be seeing a significant drop in performance over the 755's? I am not opposed to a single gpu laptop. I would like to stay in the 1100 range if possible.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 26, 2014 9:32:28 AM

can I please just through out there that some games have a problem with SLI configs for laptops, that's why its generally better for single cards, the 860M is better than the 750M SLI but worse than the 755M SLI - its a solid card, and is of the new architecture (maxwell)
the difference between I5 and I7 for mobility here is actually significant, only I7s are quad cores and that's like the standard for great quality on here, an I7 4700 is the lowest quad core processor but that's easily all you need for the next few years or more.
If you're in the USA then xoticpc.com have the best bang for your buck with no issues in the form of the clevo 8258 or 7358 (if you care about a backlit keyboard) that'll get you an 860M, I7 4700, and the operating system all for $1050 or less depending on further configs.
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March 26, 2014 7:01:15 PM

Construkt,

Thanks for your help with this. I plan on getting the 510P. I am just waiting for the i7 version to come in stock at TigerDirect. My agent and I have worked out pricing on the unit.

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March 27, 2014 12:00:05 PM

Kinda back peddling a little bit. Took a more in depth look at the Sager NP7358 and am no intrigued. I looked at some FPS numbers for the 860m vs. the 755m sli and they are all relatively close. The Sager also gives me the additional internal hdd bay and msata if I want it. I have an ssd to throw in, so that is a plus. At $988.88, I am not sure its isn't the best bang for the buck at this point. The best I can get the i7 Lenovo Y510P with sli 755m is $1029. Thoughts on one versus the other?

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March 27, 2014 10:04:32 PM

StealthArsenal said:
Kinda back peddling a little bit. Took a more in depth look at the Sager NP7358 and am no intrigued. I looked at some FPS numbers for the 860m vs. the 755m sli and they are all relatively close. The Sager also gives me the additional internal hdd bay and msata if I want it. I have an ssd to throw in, so that is a plus. At $988.88, I am not sure its isn't the best bang for the buck at this point. The best I can get the i7 Lenovo Y510P with sli 755m is $1029. Thoughts on one versus the other?

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well if the fps between them is relatively close

then the sager probably wins because:
1. single GPU less troublesome
2. single GPU heat vs 2 gpu heat
3. the maxwell core on the sager runs cooler than the kepler core the lenovo has
The GPU on sager is newer technology

with lenovo:
1. you get that sweet keyboard
2. better trackpad (but you will probably just use a mouse for gaming right?)
3. better looking overall
4. slightly better gaming performance
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March 28, 2014 3:05:37 AM

The lenovo certainly looks amazing. The 860m in the Sager has higher frames I think 3 in BF4 vs. the Lenovo. It's not true for all of the test games, but that is just one example. I do really like the keyboard of the Lenovo as opposed to the Sager. The nice thing about the Sager is it still has a optical drive since it only has one GPU and the extra harddrive bays. I would need to get the 16gb Lenovo to have the M.2 or MSata connector but that puts the y510p at $1100 or so.
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March 28, 2014 7:29:52 AM

its up to you now

the lenovo and the sager are the best for your budget
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March 30, 2014 3:15:25 PM

So for those who have been reading my various posts, I made it to my Microcenter today. I was able to play with the Lenovo Y510P, Toshiba Qosmio, Asus ROG 750 and the MSI GT60 Dominator. Out of all of them, I didn't care for the Asus one bit.

The Qosmio is surprisingly very robust and the build quality actually feels pretty good. There isn't much flex to the unit which was surprising. I did have higher hopes for the keyboard and its backlight. The screens hinges felt tight for a demo model.

The Lenovo is also built well. The keyboard portion of the body has some flex but not a ton. I would say it has the same flex as my ideapad Y550 which was a good thing. The trackpad I didn't think was the greatest especially the built in left and right buttons. The demo didn't have the battery in for total weight, but it did seem lighter than my current ideapad. The keyboard and back light were excellent just the back light cannot be turned off. This isn't really an issue. Again, the screen hinges felt nice and tight for a demo model. The laptop is certainly a bit thinner than my current Ideapad and does seem that the heat concerns are valid without a cooling pad. I cannot confirm this for sure without gaming on it.

The MSI GT60 was the most rigid out of all three. It is a mixture of plastic and aluminum construction and virtually had no flex in the body. It is a thicker unit but appears cooling won't be an issue. Screen hinges were tight without extra play. Only thing I need to confirm is if I can open the back of the MSI. There is a void warranty stick right on the plate that needs to be removed to get to the ram and harddrive. If that does in fact void the warranty, the MSI will be out. I have an SSD to slap into it.

Pricing -

XoticPC - MSI GT60 - $1199 - GTX770m
http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gt60-2oc022us-p-5780.html

Tigerdirect - Lenovo Y510P - $1029 --> Core i7 4700MQ, 8gb ram, 1tb hd w/8gb sshd and dual GT755m (sli)

Toshiba - Qosmio - $1199 - This is probably out of the running as I wasn't a huge fan of the chrome red around the perimeter.

Now as an aside with the Lenovo, I would need to plan on a cooling pad I would imagine. I was looking at the Cooler Master SF-15 so I could utilize its USB hub.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834982224
This adds another $45 ish dollars after rebate to the Lenovo purchase price. I have a regular usb DVD drive I could use as an optical for now. This ends up making the Lenovo $125 cheaper. I certainly have a bit to think about. Of course I need to find out about the warranty issue with the MSI to see if it is an option.

If anyone knows anything about that warranty or about my take on the laptops, let me know.

Thanks for all the help.
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April 1, 2014 7:00:11 PM

Hello All,

Finally now getting around to finalizing the choices.

I have switched some things up a bit. Not sure the Lenovo is a good choice after seeing both of these machines. Here is what I am looking at.

Sager NP7358 -- Addons -- 12gb ram, Blu Ray read and Intel AC 7260 Wireless - $1144 F/S

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MSI GT60 -- Addons -- 12gb ram

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--$1324 - $100 rebate = $1224 F/S

Either one has their pros and cons. The nice thing about the MSI is its warranty and accidental warranty. The Sager is fully upgradeable (more so than MSI). Thoughts on either of those machines. Both are similar in durability, the MSI is a mixture of Aluminum and plastic construction while the Sager is plastic. Been talking with Xotic PC quite a bit, and seems either is a good choice. Just trying to figure out what I didn't think of with either one.

Thanks
Chris
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April 1, 2014 7:46:28 PM

I fixed the links so you could see both. I am leaning on the MSI as well, I just wasn't sure if that would be the case or not. The costing is so close that I thought the MSI might be the better option. Additionally, the one on Amazon isn't the build I was looking at. I was using the 2OC-022US so I could utilize MSI rebate.
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April 1, 2014 8:04:32 PM

I assume that the laptop is not running dual channel memory but instead an individual stick? Is it still configured like the old model where I can put a secondary 2.5" drive internally?
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April 2, 2014 3:59:46 AM

I will look into what Pat at Xotic has to say about the pricing difference and options for that model. As far as memory goes, I can max that 8gb out easy so I will certainly need to do something about that. Thanks for showing me that model Construkt.
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