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i7 or Xeon which would be better for me?

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March 25, 2014 6:20:06 AM

Here is a couple of configurations I was looking at getting for a new video editing machine.
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• ASUS Z87-DELUXE/QUAD LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
• Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K
• CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W
• PNY VCGGTX7704XPB-OC GeForce GTX 770 4GB 256-Bit
• SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 Model F3-12800CL10Q-32GBZL
• Noctua NH-U14S 140x150x25 ( NF-A15 PWM) SSO2-Bearing CPU Cooler
• Pioneer Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BDR-2209
• Crucial M500 240GB SATA 2.5" 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter) Internal Solid State Drive CT240M500SSD1
• Windows 7 Pro 64

2. This would be the same machine but instead of the the Intel Core i7-4770k I would be putting in:
• Intel Intel Xeon E3-1270V3 Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 80W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80646E31270V3
If there are any components that would be better let me know what you would suggest. But what my main question would be will the Intel Xeon work in the board I have listed? It looks like it will but I just want to be sure. Also like I stated before I will be video editing which of these processors would be better for what I am doing? My video will be mainly Full HD video maybe down the line will start to look at 4K video editing. Also, if anyone knows of some good monitors or brands that would be helpful too. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks in advance.
Kyle

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March 25, 2014 6:22:56 AM

both processors can run on your motherboard . . but i recommend i-7 cause i had some bad experiences with xeon processors . .
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March 25, 2014 6:23:23 AM

Do you plan on overclocking? If yes you can't overclock the Xeon but you can overclock the 4770K


When not overclocked, they're both about the same speed but the 4770k is faster when overclocked.
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March 25, 2014 6:27:22 AM

Xeons cannot be overclocked. At all which kinda defeats the point of buying a Z87 Motherboard. That's the main difference there is to it. I recommend you to go with the i7 instead.

I would also suggest you to change your GTX 770 into an Asus or EVGA one. PNY's quality and cooling is just not upto these brands.

Asus, Samsung and Dell are some good brands for monitors. I could help you choose one if you mention your budget.
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March 25, 2014 6:31:55 AM

gameboy's suggestions are good, I assume the OP is buying a 4GB 770 + Z87 to run SLI though in the future(hence the HX850 PSU) as well
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March 25, 2014 6:46:39 AM

You really should be looking at the hardware requirements/recommendations of your video-editing software. Some major NLE software has specific requirements, and you may find out that a Xeon processor may or may not be recommended for your particular software package. It might also be recommended that you have dual processors, in which case you might be looking at a Xeon DP and a whole new motherboard. Perhaps dual processors will also help you render even faster, thus saving you time. In any case, it would be most helpful to you to examine those requirements/recommendations, and possibly even calling their tech support to see what configurations they recommend.

If you are going to make a living off your PC, then you don't want to short-change yourself by not having the platform best-suited to what you are trying to do with it. Time = $, and anything that saves you time will then let you either work more or have a better work-life balance.

On a somewhat related note, I don't understand the small size of your SSD. Are you going to use a scratch drive or something for near-line storage, like a 2-4TB hard drive? If you're going to do mainline editing on the SSD, then you could do better than that older Crucial drive. A Samsung 840 Pro 512GB would be better, both in speed & in capacity.
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March 25, 2014 6:58:52 AM

If you want a Xeon, get a 1230v3. Anything past 1240/1245 isn't worth the cost. You don't need an expensive z87 board either with one. If the software you use takes advantage of GPU at all, like Sony Vegas pro, you would be better off with a 1230v3, an H87 board or even an Asrock z87 extreme3 and getting a GTX 780, which is a better card. You wouldn't need an expensive cooler either. A coolermaster hyper TX3 would be sufficient for the Xeon. 850w PSU is unnecessary unless you want to SLI.
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March 25, 2014 6:59:24 AM

I am not sure exactly what our budget is just yet, we did get a couple grants to help us out but I am not sure if we know how much we are receiving as of yet.

We will be using Vegas Pro 12 Video for the editing software which the requirements on their site are kind of low, I could get in touch with them like you suggested and see what they suggest.

With the small SSD drive we are looking at that to be the system drive and we are looking at a raid drive for the storage of and editing of the video.
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March 25, 2014 7:09:11 AM

Ok, I will base my assumptions on ideal scenario.

Top questions which will tell us what you want.

1. Will you be running crossfire or SLI graphics cards(This is using more than one GPU)?

2. Will you be overclocking the processor?

If the answer is no to both questions then this is a very simple question > H87 motherbord + Xeon 1230 V3

If the answer is yes to both you buy a Z87+4770K

If the answer is yes to 2 but no to 1 you buy a Z87+4770K

If the answer is yes to 1 but no to 2 you buy a Z87+Xeon 1230 V3

H87 can run raid's fine, same with Z87.
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March 25, 2014 7:31:02 AM

To be honest I really don't know what the best situation for me would be, I was going by what a video site said would be a decent editing machine, I was just seeing what would be a better CPU to choose. I am very much an amateur at this, that is why I came here for suggestions.
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March 25, 2014 7:44:29 AM

So it looks like if I am going to be doing any overclocking I would choose the i7 and if I am not I would choose the xeon. I will look into the suggestions you guys have given me, and decide which would be the best for me. Thanks!
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March 25, 2014 7:49:46 AM

A xeon 1230 v3+ H87 mobo will be a very solid editing machine, it is also the cheapest.

If you're just starting out you may wish to buy the xeon 1230 v3 + one of the cheaper Z87's(this will allow you to run 2Graphics cards if you feel one isn't performing good enough)
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March 25, 2014 7:50:36 AM

I would suggest not to use SLI or Crossfire as many editors (Including Vegas I believe) don't use more than a single GPU.

If this PC is going to be used in a professional/business environment I would recommend against overclocking because it may cause instability if you don't know what you are doing.

You may also go with a cheaper CPU cooler if you are going to be using a Xeon as suggested above.
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March 25, 2014 7:55:09 AM

Kyle3 said:
I am not sure exactly what our budget is just yet, we did get a couple grants to help us out but I am not sure if we know how much we are receiving as of yet.

We will be using Vegas Pro 12 Video for the editing software which the requirements on their site are kind of low, I could get in touch with them like you suggested and see what they suggest.

With the small SSD drive we are looking at that to be the system drive and we are looking at a raid drive for the storage of and editing of the video.


You're right, the requirements for Vegas Pro 12 aren't the most helpful as to what you would want to sink the most money into. It seems multi-core helps to a point, so you may want to look at a processor with more cores.

However, it might be better to sink your money into a better video card since VP12 supports GPU-acceleration. There seem to be conflicting reports on whether SLI works for Vega Pro or if the newer cards really get better performance in VP12, so it might be worth checking with their tech support to see what the latest might be. Their forum might also be a good place for Vegas professionals to give you a better, "real-world tested" type of recommendation.

As far as the SSD goes, you could get a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB or 512GB (or even an Intel 730) for the system/work drive, and an external RAID array/NAS for the secondary/near-line storage. Hook it up through an eSATA connection, and you should get good transfer speeds.
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March 25, 2014 8:22:41 AM

AshyCFC said:
A xeon 1230 v3+ H87 mobo will be a very solid editing machine, it is also the cheapest.

If you're just starting out you may wish to buy the xeon 1230 v3 + one of the cheaper Z87's(this will allow you to run 2Graphics cards if you feel one isn't performing good enough)


Yea, that is why I brought up the Z87 extreme3. It is the least expensive board that supports SLI and is not even $20 more than an H87 pro4. For a non overclocking SLI capable rig, that would be my pick for a budget board to get the job done. For SSD, Crucial has a 480gb M500 for a decent price compared to the Samsung 840.
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March 25, 2014 8:41:14 AM

Awesome, So I think from all your suggestions I do not believe I will be overclocking, also from reading online if you don't know what your doing you may ruin things, my luck I would be the one to do that.

I don't think I will be using dual GPUs just one is fine for what I should be doing (I will check into some of the alternatives suggested).

I will also check into some of the alternatives for the system drives that were suggested.

It looks like if I would use a dual Xeon CPU setup it would be faster but if I was using only a single CPU the i7 might be the way to go.
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March 25, 2014 8:46:57 AM

+1 for the Xeon e3-1230v3!!!
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March 25, 2014 8:47:07 AM

The 1230/1240 v3 is nothing more than an i7 without IGP. A 4770 isn't worth the $50 premium over a 1230 v3.
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March 25, 2014 8:49:20 AM

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A 4770 isn't worth the $50 premium over a 1230 v3.


Right now it's more like $85 difference
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March 25, 2014 8:58:50 AM

That is good to know, Thanks you
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