Memory upgrade and new Gaming PC build

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Hi guys!

I'm planning to upgrade my PC slowly, to the point where the whole computer would be a different PC (almost all the parts would be changed), and i need some help.

First the Memory:

What I had in mind was to buy new ram, since one of the 2GB sticks out of 4GB (2x2GB kit) failed, so I thought i'd put memory to the top of my list.

The motherboard im using now is an ASUS P5P41T/USB3. It supports 1333MHz/1066MHz/800MHz on paper, and the RAM I have in it, is a Kingmax DDR3 1333MHz 2GB stick. The ram I would like to get is two Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2133MHz 8GB sticks. I know its an overkill right now, but here is why.

I will also upgrade my motherboard in the future, one that supports the new RAM obviously, but I don't want to (only if there is no other option) buy older RAMs just to buy new ones, once I have the new motherboard as well. The new motherboard would be an ASUS RAMPAGE IV BLACK EDITION(this could change). I've read on the mighty internets that putting in a faster RAM might result in everything working fine except it will be slower to be compatible with the motherboard, but I also found cases where the PC simply refused to post. Since my current motherboard is a "very old" one I couldn't find any tests or compatibility graphs that would clearly state if the new RAM would work in this Motherboard. Also the shops in my country don't usually take the product back if it doesn't work(unless its a product faliure), so trying it out and returning it is not an option either. Also I know that my current Motherboard doesn't support 16GB of RAM only 8, but until i get the new Motherboard I could still use only one stick (even if thats not as efficient). Can any of you help me out here, or have some tips on what the best solution would be?

Second the Gaming PC build:

I'll post my current and my planned build, I would appreciate feedback on what you think about the new build as well, since this will be the 2nd PC that I build by myself. The main goal would be to build a PC that will last 4-5 years as a High end gaming PC, with a decent performance even past 2-3 years. I know the market is changing so fast it's not quite possible to build a futureproof PC but I would like to get the most out of it for as long as possible, because I may not be able to buy one again for quite some time.

With that in mind please DO correct me if I am wrong, as I am far from being an expert, I just looked up as much stuff as I could, but I appreciate anyones help/tip/suggestion.

Also sorry if I post in the wrong forum, I'm not really a Forum using person, I just read stuff most of the time.

Current PC:

Motherboard: ASUS P5P41T/USB3
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.5GHz
RAM: Kingmax DDR3 1333MHz 4GB(2x2GB kit) With one of them being broken. (Couldn't find a link of the exact same product)
Video Card: ASUS GT 440

Planned PC(might change depending on feedback):

Case: Corsair Air 540
PSU: Corsair AX1200i
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition
CPU: Intel Core i7 3.70GHz 4930K
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 Or Silver Arrow Extreme
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2133MHz 16GB (2x8GB kit)
Video Card: ASUS ROG POSEIDON GTX 780
 

space55

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Everything looks fine for the PC build, except that the RAM is a bit overkill. I'd go for 1600MHz and just overclock it, as most RAM can hit 2133MHz. Also, the PSU is about as much overkill as 64GB of 2133MHz RAM in your current build.

For the RAM, you shouldn't have an issue, and it shouldn't slow down or stop from working. It's not a car, where to get a turbo, you have to get a new drivetrain, exhaust manifold, new suspension, and a new frame. I render videos A LOT, and 16GB is not enough. If you don't need to render videos, you should be absolutely fine for that.

Hope it helps!
 

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One thing definitely on the RAM - with the 2011 system, you want 4 ram modules for optimal performance, so you want either a 4x8 kit (32) or a 4x4 kit (16) - not a 2x8 - you will lose performance on memory massively. 2011 wants 4 channel, and with only 2 ram modules it would drop you to 2 channel access.
 

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Thanks for the tips!

I have no experience in overclocking I was planning to look into it tho.

As for the PSU I know its also an overkill but in case during the next five years I may upgrade the videocard and other parts that require more power or even in case it lives long enough (hoping the 7 year warranty means long life) I could still use the PSU in the next build after 5 years.

 

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My idea was to make a list of the parts I want first and when I'm 100% satisfied and I'm sure it would work, only then I would start buying stuff, but I see your point.

Your offer sounds great, I'd appreciate the help.

Should we continue here or in PM?
 

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Budget is not a real concern, I dont want to spend astronomical amounts tho. The main goal would be to build a PC that lasts 5 years at least, running games preferably at least on medium settings past 2-3 years.

I would set a budget of 3000$ if that makes it a little easier.

The stuff (and parts) that I would like for sure:

- 2011 socket oriented build, since its kind of new, so in hopes it will last longer
- Intel and Nvidia based PC
- A black and red theme of the hardware
- Corsairs RAM, AX1200 PSU, Fans and 540 Air Flow case
- The possibility to overclock, I haven't done it yet but I might look into it
- Sorry to repeat this over and over but this really is the top point, I need this build to last as long as possible and perform as high as possible preferably 5 years or more. I know it's almost impposible to be futureproof but this is sort of a "one time opportunity" thing.

The stuff I want to avoid:

- Watercooling, I'm afraid of this technology because of my inexperience in the matter, and the possible destruction of the whole build if I mess something.
- Overclocking being a crucial part of the performance of the build, I only want the potential of it.
- Parts that may only be aquired via shipping. If there will be any parts like this I'll let you know.

Of course I am willing to reconsider anything, if you can explain to me why something else would be a better idea.

Right now thats "all" I could think of. I am truly sorry if I sound like some kind of spoilt princess with all these "demands". :/
 

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Ok, listen. My PC costs less than your budget, and it runs like a dream. For about $1000 you can get a killer gaming PC. The only reason you'd spend more is for my purpose: rendering.

I'll set you up with a list. Also, I'll create an overclocking guide. Get back soon!
 

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Here's without display, keyboard, mouse, headset, etc. It does have the OS.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4960X Extreme Edition 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($1034.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($749.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2998.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-26 21:07 EDT-0400)


Yes, I did go a bit mental...

This thing could take over NASA, the gov't, the NSA, and the CIA.
 

Beefhusi

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Sorry I made a little mistake, I will also get new mouse, keyboard, monitor, SSD and some LED for shines :p, those included made around 3000$ in my list, but I didn't include them here because they are not must have parts for the build to work.

Also thanks a lot for helping out!
 

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Here's with mouse, keyboard, headset, and monitor:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($749.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($264.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Logitech G510s Wired Gaming Keyboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($58.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Turtle Beach Z300 7.1 Channel Headset ($144.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $3062.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-26 21:20 EDT-0400)
 

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Corrections to Dustin:

He had said no water cooling. Plus, the CM Hyper 212 EVO will do best. Windows 8 is horrid and expensive. Go for 7 Home Premium 64-bit. You also don't need a blu-ray drive. Or an optical drive for that matter.

Let me know if you want me to blend the two, beef. You sound tasty BTW.
 

space55

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Modified the RAM on mine. Also, for the HDD, the 1TB SSD is way too much. You need typically a 256GB SSD and a 2TB HDD. The SSD for good games and the windows the drive, the HDD for the rest. Here's the list with the different RAM:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($749.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($264.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Logitech G510s Wired Gaming Keyboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($58.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Turtle Beach Z300 7.1 Channel Headset ($144.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $3217.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-26 21:32 EDT-0400)


Still going to tune down some stuff. It's overbudget.
 

space55

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Slightly changed. I think I changed the monitor, and used the non-Ti version of the GFX card:


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($499.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($169.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Logitech G510s Wired Gaming Keyboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($58.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Turtle Beach Z300 7.1 Channel Headset ($144.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2872.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-26 21:37 EDT-0400)
 

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I did say preferably no watercooling, in my original post I chose either H110 or a Silver Arrow Extreme because I saw some insatances where faulty water cooling damaged almost everything in the case. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about this part. To be on the safe side I prefer Air cooling.

Also is there any reason to go for a full house over the 540 Air Flow mid house? I would stick with the latter because of vertical space req., cable management and I prefer the looks of the 540 better.

As for the 1TB SSD, it sound better because I have quite a big library of games, and other programs that do take up a lot of Gigs.

Headphones and Optical Drives are parts that I definately don't need.

The rest looks good tho, I prefer Dustin's list so far because of the Red and Black theme I wanted to go for.

I have another question: Is the Silver Arrow Extreme or the CM Hyper 212 Evo a better choice?

Also please don't fight over "me", you guys are both awesome for helping out. I don't want to be the cause of hard feelings.
 

space55

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I'd go for the CM Hyper 212 EVO. Also, if I were you and didn't want to cause trouble, ask for someone to say something random, then pick as solution, and credit both of us. I'll start working on the red and black theme now.
 

space55

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Here's the list. The monitor you wanted is really expensive. I've got a different one.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($309.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($454.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($509.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech G510s Wired Gaming Keyboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($58.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2893.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-26 21:59 EDT-0400)

That has a red/black theme, same idea, and the stuff you wanted.