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Antec VP 450p vs Seasonic ECO Series 400W SS400BT vs s12ii 430W for R7 260X?

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March 26, 2014 10:17:13 PM

Which PSU would be better my upcoming gaming rig-
Fx 6300
GB GA-970A-DS3
R7 260x
4 gb 1600 Corsair
1 TB WD HDD (Blue)
2 or 3 120mm Cabinet fans
Asus DVD RW

P.S- It will be used only for gaming and watching 1080p movies..... nothing else and 'No overclocking'!!

I am tight on budget thats why i am considering mainly VP 450p nd SS400BT but still S12ii is worth spending extra then i will try to squeeze some bucks out!!

More about : antec 450p seasonic eco series 400w ss400bt s12ii 430w 260x

March 26, 2014 10:19:50 PM

s12ii 520 bronze will be better than those. iirc s12ii 430 was a bit overpriced. another alternative is eco 500.
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March 26, 2014 10:45:55 PM

nashdes001 said:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
the review can help u understand
antec vp450 is good to go!


I have been also recommending this for budget builds, and bought one for my sister after the Corsair CX430 I bought blew up after two hours. That does NOT reflect the customer statistics I've seen as many have had good experiences but I have to report that.

The other recommendations above are valid as well. The VP450 has a 1x6-pin for graphics cards so will work for the R7-260X.

I recommend this EVGA model instead:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b1050...

This EVGA supports more PCIe connections so you can add a better graphics card if you wish in the future, and MAY (may) be quieter under load:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b1050...

Antec VP450:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-vp450

It's possible the other power supplies listed would be slightly quieter under load. I only tested in idle with an HD6450 low-end card.
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March 26, 2014 10:49:11 PM

nashdes001 said:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
the review can help u understand
antec vp450 is good to go!

not so fast. that review is for the non-p version, the one without active pfc and 80+ certification.

vp450p is fine, but it has two slightly different versions floating around the markets without saying which one is which. one has a lower spec primary cap (capxon, 270uF at 95 celcius/420volts) than the other(the better one- matsushita, 105c/450v)... and there's no way to know for sure unless you know where to look. even if you're okay with that.... i'd still recommend seasonic over fsp's entry level platform.
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March 26, 2014 10:53:23 PM

de5_Roy said:
nashdes001 said:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
the review can help u understand
antec vp450 is good to go!

not so fast. that review is for the non-p version, the one without active pfc and 80+ certification.

vp450p is fine, but it has two slightly different versions floating around the markets without saying which one is which. one has a lower spec primary cap (capxon, 270uF at 95 celcius/420volts) than the other(the better one- matsushita, 105c/450v)... and there's no way to know for sure unless you know where to look. even if you're okay with that.... i'd still recommend seasonic over fsp's entry level platform.


theres little diff in active pfc and passive pfc
and active pfc is need for 80+ certification
without that also the vp 450 has 80+ output
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March 26, 2014 10:57:37 PM

de5_Roy said:
nashdes001 said:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Powe...
the review can help u understand
antec vp450 is good to go!

not so fast. that review is for the non-p version, the one without active pfc and 80+ certification.

vp450p is fine, but it has two slightly different versions floating around the markets without saying which one is which. one has a lower spec primary cap (capxon, 270uF at 95 celcius/420volts) than the other(the better one- matsushita, 105c/450v)... and there's no way to know for sure unless you know where to look. even if you're okay with that.... i'd still recommend seasonic over fsp's entry level platform.


Yes, but as you said it is VP450 or VP450p.

The good review is for the VP450 (non-p) version. I can't speak as to the quality of the non-p version, but keep in mind these are BUDGET power supplies so unless the non-p version is statistically prone to fail it's still a good value.
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March 27, 2014 2:26:50 AM

people i m totally confused now......
1) @de5 s12ii 520 wont be possible for me.... its cost Rs 5078 = 90$ way out of my budget!!
s12ii 430 cant say right now.... cost around 60$
now u are recommending ECO 500 so wont ECO 400 suffice for this rig?

2)@nashdes @photon whats the difference between VP 450p nd VP 450?
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March 27, 2014 2:35:54 AM

so this means 450p is better hence 450 is out of equation?
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March 27, 2014 2:38:45 AM

they both r same 1 has active pfc and other not
its just for certification that its output is 80+
form factor is 0.99 in p that means the pcb is well designed ;) 
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March 27, 2014 3:02:11 AM

vishu_ka said:
people i m totally confused now......

i recommended higher wattage seasonic psu not becuase of watts number, but because of higher quality.
vishu_ka said:

1) @de5 s12ii 520 wont be possible for me.... its cost Rs 5078 = 90$ way out of my budget!!
s12ii 430 cant say right now.... cost around 60$
now u are recommending ECO 500 so wont ECO 400 suffice for this rig?

it should work, 6300 uses ~95w (can go over 100) at load at stock settings, r7 260x uses 115w, cpu+gfx card should use total 210+ w at load at stock settings. according to google, the eco 400 (ss400bt) has 30A on it's +12v rail - 360w max. eco 500 will obviously be better because it has more amperage on +12v rail (34A, 408w). you'd be limited in terms of upgrades, though.. e.g. 125w cpus, overclocking, higher end gfx card etc.
according to specs, s12ii 430 bronze has 2 rails with 17A each, better capacitor (chemi-con iirc) it also has 2x 6/8 pin pcie power connectors. vp 450p has one, i dunno if eco 400/500 has them.

vishu_ka said:

2)@nashdes @photon whats the difference between VP 450p nd VP 450?

nashdes: you can take a flashlight and look inside your psu to check if you have the capxon capacitor. look way back inside for a black capacitor with grey vertical stripe saying capxon, 270uF, 420v etc. having active pfc is not sign of higher quality, just indicates it has an active pfc circuit.
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March 27, 2014 3:10:26 AM

de5_Roy said:
vishu_ka said:
people i m totally confused now......

i recommended higher wattage seasonic psu not becuase of watts number, but because of higher quality.
vishu_ka said:

1) @de5 s12ii 520 wont be possible for me.... its cost Rs 5078 = 90$ way out of my budget!!
s12ii 430 cant say right now.... cost around 60$
now u are recommending ECO 500 so wont ECO 400 suffice for this rig?

it should work, 6300 uses ~95w (can go over 100) at load at stock settings, r7 260x uses 115w, cpu+gfx card should use total 210+ w at load at stock settings. according to google, the eco 400 (ss400bt) has 30A on it's +12v rail - 360w max. eco 500 will obviously be better because it has more amperage on +12v rail (34A, 408w). you'd be limited in terms of upgrades, though.. e.g. 125w cpus, overclocking, higher end gfx card etc. if you go with ss400bt, keep that in mind.

vishu_ka said:

2)@nashdes @photon whats the difference between VP 450p nd VP 450?

nashdes: you can take a flashlight and look inside your psu to check if you have the capxon capacitor. look way back inside for a black capacitor with grey vertical stripe saying capxon, 270uF, 420v etc. having active pfc is not sign of higher quality, just indicates it has an active pfc circuit.

I knw that :p 
I just gave him the best option in his budget
n i didnt say having active pfc circuit means higher quality I said active pfc is needed to have the certification of 80+
N I knw seasonic is the best psu maker
seasonic make parts of antec and xfx psus
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March 27, 2014 4:06:35 AM

I will recommend Seasonic S12 II 430
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March 27, 2014 7:32:25 AM

ok i somewhat understood what u r emphasizing..... in this rig trust me except one more 1 TB HDD and 1 4GB ram i m going to add nothing ever and no overclocking either! (coz no money for hyper evo)
Now tell me ECO 400 (~360W max) would be enough??
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March 27, 2014 8:20:59 AM

vishu_ka said:
ok i somewhat understood what u r emphasizing..... in this rig trust me except one more 1 TB HDD and 1 4GB ram i m going to add nothing ever and no overclocking either! (coz no money for hyper evo)
Now tell me ECO 400 (~360W max) would be enough??


At that price point I would suggest the Corsair CX 430. I doubt the ECO series has PCIe connectors

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March 28, 2014 12:20:32 PM

but i have seen few reviews saying CX and VS series suck big time so Antec highly recommended if not Seasonic!!
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March 28, 2014 1:14:50 PM

vishu_ka said:
but i have seen few reviews saying CX and VS series suck big time so Antec highly recommended if not Seasonic!!


Corsair VS series definitely sucks. But as far as CX and Antec Basiq series is concerned both are pretty much the same quality , Corsair might actually be better. And since that is the VP450P and not VP450, I won't recommend that.
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March 28, 2014 5:33:04 PM

He's on a severely restricted budget.

Based on all the comments, I recommend just getting whichever Corsair/Antec fits his budget.

We could talk all day about the likelihood of a part failing since it's cheaper or whatever, but statistically speaking INEXPENSIVE power supplies will also have a higher failure probability.

So if the Antec VP450 fits your bill, just get it.
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March 28, 2014 6:32:20 PM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
http://www.theitdepot.com/search.html?keywords=Seasonic...

Seasonic 430W Power Supply (S12II-430)


Not only "OUT OF STOCK" but also out of his budget which he already stated clearly a few times.

Corsair VS450:
Yes, long-term reliability is an issue but that might just mean four years instead of ten so he can factor that into his decision:
http://hardwareinsights.com/wp/corsair-vs450-review/4/

Store: http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Corsair+VS+Series+VS4...(CP-9020049-WW)_C14P16661.html

Antec VP450p:
A better PSU but slightly more expensive. Apparently the limit of his budget? It may or may not last as long as the non-p version but it's probably better than the VS450:

Store: http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Corsair+VS+Series+VS4...(CP-9020049-WW)_C14P16661.html

*Again, he's on a budget so he's never going to get a model that has glowing reviews. However, I've seen plenty of worse power supplies last 10+ years so I say just get one of these, or similar, and if it fails then it fails and either return it under Warranty or buy a different model.
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March 29, 2014 6:47:24 AM

Look guys reading here and there one thing that is limpid is Seasonic is best-
Now i will definitely try to get my hands on s12ii 430 but for 2nd best option which ones is better...... Seasonic ECO Series 400W or Antec VP 450p??? (i am biased towards ECO 400 but if it wont be enough for my rig requirement then no point of buying it so VP 450p would be bestnd i can afford it too)

"Antec VP450p:
A better PSU but slightly more expensive. Apparently the limit of his budget? It may or may not last as long as the non-p version but it's probably better than the VS450"
Sounds like non-p version is better!!?? (please clear this point also)
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March 29, 2014 8:05:32 AM

vishu_ka said:
Look guys reading here and there one thing that is limpid is Seasonic is best-
Now i will definitely try to get my hands on s12ii 430 but for 2nd best option which ones is better...... Seasonic ECO Series 400W or Antec VP 450p??? (i am biased towards ECO 400 but if it wont be enough for my rig requirement then no point of buying it so VP 450p would be bestnd i can afford it too)

"Antec VP450p:
A better PSU but slightly more expensive. Apparently the limit of his budget? It may or may not last as long as the non-p version but it's probably better than the VS450"
Sounds like non-p version is better!!?? (please clear this point also)


Antec VP450p : it's probably better than the VS450 - which is considered crap by enthusiasts. So the best PSU option is Corsair CX 430. Corsair CX 430 is 80+ Bronze certified while Antec VP450P is not even certified. CX430 has more connectors and is new.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cases/display/psu-400w...

"The Antec VP450P is a real disappointment. Being highly efficient, this PSU has a very unstable +5V voltage, poor fan speed regulation (the fan accelerates linearly right from the start) and an undeservedly high price. It is only cheaper than the other Antec in this review, but the latter is free from the mentioned downsides and offers much more power on the +12V rail."

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March 29, 2014 12:55:00 PM

Corsair CX 430 seems promising....... bro i am getting more confused!!
Is there similar kind of review for CX 430 from trusted site u know??
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March 30, 2014 5:18:29 AM

Corsair VS 550. They are pretty cheap nowadays and are comparable to the Corsair CX series. I use a Corsair VS 450 and it works nicely for me. It has some weight to it and runs quiet.
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March 30, 2014 11:30:51 AM

@chimera u mean CX 430-V2 is older model??? (coz V2 sounds like Version2 hence newer nd better)!!
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March 30, 2014 12:11:50 PM

vishu_ka said:
@chimera u mean CX 430-V2 is older model??? (coz V2 sounds like Version2 hence newer nd better)!!


Here u can see all models:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page447.htm

On that link no one explained why Antec VP450P is better than Corsair CX430.
Antec VP450 (not P) uses Teapo and CapXon capacitors. Corsair CX430V2 uses Teapo and Samxon capacitors.
As per this link:
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=388
CapXon and Teapo were bad cap manufacturers as of 7-4-2013

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