Can not having thermal paste on CPU keep video output from showing up via HDMI? I use a GTX 770 but I'm RMA'ing the card just

Xmattman13X

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Can not having thermal paste on CPU keep video output from showing up via HDMI? I use a GTX 770 but I'm RMA'ing the card just in case it's defective and replacing thermal paste since it has dried.
 
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If both surfaces are flat then you don't need thermal paste. It is designed to fill the gaps where the surfaces are scratched or not flat.

"Thermal grease is primarily used in the electronics and computer industries to assist a heat sink to draw heat away from a semiconductor component such as an integrated circuit or transistor.

Thermally conductive paste improves the efficiency of a heatsink by filling air gaps that occur when the imperfectly flat and smooth surface of a heat generating component is pressed against the similar surface of a heatsink, air being approximately 8000 times less efficient at conducting heat than, for example, aluminum (a common heatsink material).[10] Surface imperfections and departure from perfect flatness inherently arise from limitations in manufacturing technology and range in size from visible and tactile flaws such as machining marks or casting irregularities to sub-microscopic ones not visible to the naked eye. Thermal conductivity and "conformability" (i.e., the ability of the material to conform to irregular surfaces) are the important characteristics of thermal grease.

Both high-power handling transistors, such as those in an audio amplifier, and high-speed integrated circuits, such as the central processing unit (CPU) of a personal computer, generate sufficient heat to benefit from the use of thermal grease to improve the effectiveness of a heatsink. The need for heatsink compound can be minimised or removed by lapping the surfaces of the hot component and the matching heatsink face so that they are virtually perfectly flat and mirror-smooth.[citation needed] Computer overclockers, who increase computer speed by measures that increase heat production, resort to lapping and other extreme cooling methods such as water-cooling."
 

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All true except the first statement. The PRIMARY purpose of any heat sink compound is to fill in the microscopic air gaps of the mating surfaces no matter how flat they appear. Thermal paste will improve cooling no matter how flat the surfaces appear.
 


It is 100% true, if the surfaces are perfectly flat then you DON'T need thermal paste. Here is yet another article on it from TechPowerup.

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/134

"Introduction
Whenever you install a heatsink on a CPU or a video card, you always have to apply thermal paste. It is very crucial to the performance of the heatsink. You could get a very high-end heatsink, and without thermal paste, it will fail to work in the way it was designed too.

What is thermal paste and what does it do?
Thermal paste is a very high heat conductive paste that is used between two objects (usually a heatsink and a CPU/GPU) to get better heat conduction. It fills in all those microscopic imperfections on the heatsink and CPU/GPU that can trap air in them and cause a loss in the heatsink’s performance. Air is a very poor conductor of heat. Thermal Interface Materials (TIM) can be up to a 100 times greater conductor of heat than air.

However, thermal paste is not near as good of a conductor as copper. Thus, too much thermal paste will hinder a heatsink’s ability to cool properly.



This is an exaggerated view of what these microscopic imperfections would look like. All the white area would represent the air pockets, and this is what the TIM would fill in. It wouldn't be such a gap like this, but this just an example to give you a rough idea of what it would look like.

If you could have a perfectly flat heatsink base, and CPU, you would not need thermal paste. But it is impossible to do so, and that’s why we need thermal paste."
 
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logainofhades

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From someone that works in quality and deals with very tight tolerances, on a microns level, on a daily basis, I agree that the two surfaces will never be perfectly flat. There are some compounds that do conduct heat very well that contain silver and some that even use crushed diamond, which also conducts heat better.
 

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