Newb seeking help with first build.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Hello everyone, I am new to the whole computer building thing but I have been doing some research. I am building a computer with a $800 budget. After looking around a bit, I have come up with a build that I think would be great for gaming. But because you guys are the experts and because I am new to this I thought I would run it through with you guys first. Here is the link. I am more than happy to hear your opinions and input. Please tell me if anything seems strange or wrong with this build or if anything could be potentially changed. I already have a monitor and mouse. Here's the link.

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

hehe I like how you state a $800 budget and link a $968 build

Give me a minute and I'll set you up with something.

Someone Somewhere · Mar 30, 2014

That link is telling me it's ~$970.

Do you plan to OC it?

Drop the 5400RPM drive, for starters.

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

Here I actually upgraded your build and knocked it down under $800 at the same time

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iUHv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iUHv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3iUHv/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-118BB DVD/CD Drive ($23.97 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Lite-On SK-1788/BS Wired Standard Keyboard ($12.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $796.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-30 02:55 EDT-0400)

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Lol sorry about it being $968. I was actually planning on using the EVGA 760. I can go over a bit so that's why it was a bit over budget. But being able to keep the 770 is awesome! Also I was not planning to OC but it may become a option later on. Thanks for the fast responses!

How do you think this build will run? I will be using it mostly for gaming. If you could give me a approximate FPS on something like BF4, that would be great!

Also are the incompatibilities an issue?

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

My build would be AWESOME in gaming, but I can't give fps estimates. You would be running everything on ultra though.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

That's awesome! And only $800! I knew toms hardware was a great site, but the response time is amazing!

What about the incompatibilities though?

And that motherboard seems kinda cheapish....

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

And that motherboard seems kinda cheapish....

Why would you think that? It's a B85 chipset by a reputable brand.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

It just seems cheap to me. It doesn't have SLI (not sure if that's a big deal) but it seems like a ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 would be a better option. Like I said I can go ~$50 over.

Also about that case, will it fit everything and keep it cool?

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

Only the Z series chipsets support SLI. The Z77 is last generation so you would have to get an older cpu. I wouldn't want to do that. Is SLI really that important to you? You're not going to need a 2nd GTX770 for a very long time, and by then there will be so much other new stuff you would just rather upgrade to new parts anyway.

I chose that case because it is very very popular and has great reviews. It's a great deal at that price, but you can shop around for a different case. Picking out a case is such a personal decision I don't really like picking them for people anyway.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Alright thanks for the input. If I wouldn't have come here I would have made many mistakes.

Also would the card fit in the case?

People are saying (on NewEgg reviews) the Asus 770 fails a lot. Is that something to be worried about?

I'm just trying to get the best bang for my buck here.

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

Asus is one of the most reputable brands out there. Everything has some bad reviews. Don't sweat it. Everything comes with a warranty.

The 770 will fit in that case but I think you have to remove one of the hard drive bays. Like I said, I recommend finding a case that you really like anyway. You are the one who has to look at it all the time. haha

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Last but not least, I need a OS.

I love windows 7, but it seems quite expensive, do you know anywhere that I can get it cheap?

Also I heard W7 is a great windows for gaming, is that true?

Also is this setup able to OC?

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) 64bit is $85 and the Win8.1 version is $89

I still prefer Win7 but I'm not very familiar with Win8 either

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

You can overclock the 770, but not the i5. If you want overclocking, you will have to drop down to a GTX760. I do not recommend overclocking as it is a waste of money IMO.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

I have been talking to my friends about this setup. They said the 770 would bottleneck and the motherboard would not support the processor.

They're pretty stupid btw. (I think they're just jealous.)

They're also saying the power sup is not enough, everything will under clock, things will overheat, ect.

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

Haha they don't know what they're talking about. What is the GTX770 going to bottleneck exactly? Why wouldn't a B85 motherboard support an i5 4570? Partpicker told me the build uses aprox. 413w but there's nothing wrong with a little overhead so an upgrade to 600w wouldn't hurt.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3j9ka
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3j9ka/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3j9ka/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-118BB DVD/CD Drive ($23.97 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Lite-On SK-1788/BS Wired Standard Keyboard ($12.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $801.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-30 15:01 EDT-0400)

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Now one is going on and bragging about how he has a asus sabertooth 970 and its still cutting down? He has a 7770 sapphire and a AMD FX-8320 Vishera.

Ill listen to you over them any day but both are spamming me about how it will fail. The one thinks there is a motherboard problem. And the other says I should get better components and a cheap graphics card.

They both think they know everything. Neither have ever built a computer only upgraded.

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

This would stomp the **** out of a sabertooth 970, FX8320, and HD7770 in every way. hahaha

Why would they recommend getting a cheap video card? Don't they know it's the single most important component in a gaming build?

Tell them your 4570 is 50-60% faster in single thread performance and he could overclock his 8320 to 6.0ghz and your i5 would still be better in gaming! hahahahaha

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

He said "okay have fun with ur broken pc im done with this convo" Lol. and "thats like saying why would my motherboard have supported my 8320 nad 770 sc 4gb".

Anyways, do you know of any gaming desks that are pretty cool and cheap?

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

haha I assure you this would be a really good build. Make sure to find yourself a case that you like.

No I'm sorry I don't know anything about desks.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Cool thanks you for all your help! I will go browse some cheap cases. Ill come back the this thread if I have any questions. Thanks again!

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

And now they're saying stuff about having a ssd. So now I have a few questions.

Can you use a hard drive and ssd?

Is a ssd REALLY necessary? I know it makes load times faster but it it unbearable without one?

And whats a good cheap ssd?

CTurbo · Mar 30, 2014

Ok now an ssd is something we can agree on. They're great if you can fit one in your budget. They are not necessary, but they do you make your system faster if you put windows on one. I do recommend putting windows and programs on a ssd, and using a hard drive for storage only.

BUT... don't get one at the expense you the other parts. Like don't drop down to a GTX760 just to get an ssd. You could always add a ssd later.

You can get a really good 120-128GB ssd for around $70-80 that would be more than enough for windows, programs and a few games. You'll want a 240-256GB if you want to put a lot of games on it. It helps loading and saving of the games, but it won't improve the in game experience. It wono't add fps.

Truly Indigo · Mar 30, 2014

Awesome thanks.

Where should I buy all this from? I prefer newegg but other places seem ok.

Also I might be getting ahead of myself but actually constructing the computer is going to be hard for me. Do you know a place I can go to help make it easier?

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