i5 3570k vs fx 8350 vs i5 4670k

UndaG

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Which processor is better? I prefer the fx 8350, but im going to leave it for the experts.. I am going to do gaming and video editing.
 

THUNDERHAWK

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In multithreaded applications, the 8350 will demolish both i5s. In singlethreaded apps, it's an intel one sided slaughter.

I too prefer AMD, mostly because of price and multithreaded performance. Also overclocking is always nice. My 9370 is at 5.2ghz (easy to get to) and can beat i7s in some singlethreaded things.
 

paitjsu sadff

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I'd go with the AMD for future-proofing, as most upcoming games should be more optimised for 8 core CPU's since the PS4 and Xbone both house an AMD 8 core jaguar CPU's the games will most likely be coded to take advantage of more core now...i think that single-threaded cpu intensive games that uses 1 or 2 threads are mostly a thing of the past so in the long run i'm quite confident the 8 core AMD will only do better and better...

Also if you like it cheap, why not looking at the FX-8320, it's the same exact chip only clocked slower, provided you know how to enter a BIOS and change the CPU multiplier you will get this 8320 to 4.2 or 4.4ghz easily in no time flat with no vcore increase...just a suggestion.
 

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SHUT UP with your nonsense about the future.

Jaguar is actually 8 real cores.
Jaguar is having a different SIMD than piledriver.

Cores means nothing, you gotta know what is inside these cores.

 

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Hear, Hear!

 

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If an application is using 8 cores, then a 8 core CPU with weaker cores will outperform a CPU with 4 cores. A piledriver core is about 75% as powerful as an Intel core. when an application takes advantage of all 8 cores (which they are starting to), having more weaker cores would crush less stronger cores.
 


Could you provide evidence? Multithreaded applications (especially newer games) are still using a few heavy main threads and offloading little work to lighter subthreads. That's if they use more than 4 threads at all.

I've yet to really see an instance where an 8 core FX can "crush" a 4 core i5.
 

paitjsu sadff

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well, will you guys argue over this forever?
of course if an application can take advantage of all 8 cores the FX does crush the core i5 just look here in tom's the 2013 cpu testing you will realise pretty quickly that in every multhi-threaded workloads the FX is quite a bit faster than the core i5...the same results will apply to games as well, when games start using those core a lot more the core i5 will once again be defeated in any workloads that will use 6 heavy threads or more, that's it!

Cinebench
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-02-Cinebench-11.5,3143.html

Blender
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-03-Blender,3162.html

7zip
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-23-7-Zip-0.91-Beta,3172.html

3ds max
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-26-3DS-Max-2012,3161.html

Abbyy
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-30-Abbyy-Finereader,3163.html

Handbrake
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-31-Handbrake,3164.html

SiSoftware Sandra 2012
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-15-SiSoftware-Sandra-2012-SP4c-Pro,3145.html

TotalCode studio
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-32-TotalCode-Studio-v2.5,3167.html

Adobe Premiere Pro
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-34-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CS6,3171.html

So to those who stated that ''Only an extreme few make use of multiple cores'' we can clearly see that this is not true...as of today most applications do make good use of multi-core chips, the only area where it's not yet the case if for games but this is all about to change...

Here's total score (time) for all the 30 tests:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-36-Total-Time,3179.html

So yes the FX chip is one hell of a performer that does indeed better than a core i5 in most situations except in single-threaded games and applications...wich are slowly fading away and are becoming more and more a thing of the past everyday. Intel does have a better performance per core than the competition but it's no longer all about IPC nowadays...this should conclude this argument...forever.




So you are loosing your time around here everyday trying to sell intel chips to everybody but you never actualy checked the benchmarks provided by tom's hardware experts?
 


And you are right there is a crushing victory in 7-Zip! But the other ones are close and what about the 29 other benchmarks?
 

paitjsu sadff

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I provided the results from 9 legitimate test out of 30 in witch this CPU beats a core i5 hands down, and also provided the total time chart for the 30 tests for all the CPU...chart in witch the FX 8 core CPU beat the closest intel i5 by over 12 seconds! ...that's all i did...

Imagine when applications and mostly GAMES will start using more and more cores how much better my life will be !
 


The thing is the FX83xx series has always competed against I5 which reflects on its price. What worries me is that next refresh or upgrade from Intel is going to do even better and the FX will simply be old when the time comes that you have enough games supporting many cores that it will be a better game performer than Intel CPU's.
 

paitjsu sadff

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The next ''refresh'' from intel like you call it, will probably be the replacement of the line up entirely to feature 4core +HT, 6core+ HT and 8 core CPU's...and now that they will no longer have any competition they will sell those chip for the price of an entire system today...that is what is going to happen, intel is a money hungry supremacy and now that they will have no more competition in this segment they will unleash the beast... and me, i will overclock the sh*t out O' this 8 core chip and keep playing all my favorite games at highest settings possible just like i do today...with only upgrading the GPU and RAM if needed...

I can even do a prediction here that you should keep as a secret, but i believe that the prices for those 6 core and 8 core AMD cpu's will go up untli they are completely sold and dicontinued...so i think it's a good time you buy one today ;)

 

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Screw the latest and greatest games, I just want a CPU that can outperform others in 7-Zip and Handbrake!*
*Said no one ever

I'll gladly trade an extra 30 seconds shrinking a video in Handbrake for an extra 20 frames per second in Planetside 2.
 

paitjsu sadff

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I don't play planetside 2 or elder scoll or any other games based on age old game engine so for me the FX was a better choice...
i tend to like the more realistic modern games that use new technology and have nice graphics like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4...so i was not interested in paying a premium for an intel chip that would do the same for me in the current games and would do worst in the future, so i went with the FX-8320 and im CONVINCED i'll never regret i did...
 
Seems I didn't even need to respond to you paitjsu sadff.

Just so we're clear, I don't own an i5.

It's also funny how you then attempt to justify that an FX is objectively better because of your subjective tasks, and that IPC is no longer central to performance. Which it still is.
 

paitjsu sadff

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Still is, but the performance per core on the FX piledriver is still good enough to max out most games at very playable framerate so this is still a non-issue...it's still only about 25% lower IPC over intel modern CPU's...i don't get your argument.

 

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In multithreaded tasks the 8350 shines, but in singlethreaded even my old core 2 duo e8400 defeated it. If you game, you're fine with the intel if you also render or photoshop the amd is better, but it's also cheaper.