Should I get water cooling?

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Hi,

Im running a AMD FX-4300, OC'd from 3.8 to 4.1GHz. Curently, when playing BF4, its at 65 degrees celsius. And I wanna OC it abit more. Will a CM Seidon 120V be better than my stock cooling system, and will it make me to be able to OC it more?

Also, should I apply thermal paste on the liquid cooling heattray?
 

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DONT DUUUEEE LIQUID! you can get more performance on air, in the sub 100$ catagory that is. the nature of cooling is based primarily on surface area and specific heats of the fluid (air vs water) and the heat conductivity of the metals and yada yada yada, basically, only the larger radiator can dissipate higher heat from the water. if you want super quit, they can be an effective solution, also they fit better in smaller cases. but if you can try this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223 i have this cooler without the LED and i successfully clocke my i5-4670k to 4.7 GHz a like 1.4 (forget the actuall voltage) and the temps were at about 75-80 during prime. but during games at 4.3 1.3 i got temps of like 45-55, depending on game. Its an amazing cooler for what it is.
 
65C is nothing to be concerned about .... for your system a $30 Hyper 212 should do just fine along with a tube of Shin Etsu thermal paste, ya have a pertry decent solution for < $40

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080

If ya had a more high end CPU, I'd suggest something more worthy such as a Phanteks PH-TC14 which will get ya about 7C better temps than the 212. I can't recommend AIO / CLC type liquid coolers as 98% of them use high rpm fans to give the illusion that they do something more than the better air coolers..... and they sometimes can but at rpms that make the PC hard to sit next to because of the noise.

The $100+ ones will get you a degree or 2 on some tests but so would using the same 2600 rpm fans instead of the 1200rpm jobs on the air coolers. One exception is the H110 which has about the same thermal and acoustic performance as the Noctua DH-14.

 

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So, you guys disregard me about buying water cooling? I do wanna OC it more, like atleast 4.5GHz. Im not rich, so im not gonna spend like 100bucks for a fan. If im right, 100 usd is like 99 euros? Thats too much. 80 euro max, or 800SEK, hehe.

So, you advices me to just buy a better fan, and skip the water thing? What about be quiet! Shadow Rock 2. Very cheap :) Atm, my stock cooler dont even has heatsinks, only the gray "fins"..
 


CM hyper evo 212
Cheap
Good
Works
 

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Alright, awesome. Very cheap too. So it will be better than liquid cooling? I dont wanna buy a fan that cant handle my OC plans :p
 


it's better than cheap closed loop liquid coolers.
Anything from the corsair h100i up will be better than this.
Just depends what you wanna pay for 300mhz
 

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Ok, i've been checking on this Hyper Evo 212. And on most of the videos, the fan is mounted on the right side. Im afraid that my RAM memorys will be blocking/be in the way.. I have 2x Corsair Vengeance 4GB sticks on 1600MHz. Atm, just one on dimm4, but im buying another one tomorrow. Can I place the second RAM stick on dimm3 to make room, or will it fit, or do I need like a special mobo or something? I have MSI 970A-G43.

Quick update:::: Programs used: MSI's Control Center with CLICK BIOS II, HWiNFO64, HWMonitor, Prime95.
I downloaded a few programs, because im mainly using HWMonitor, and I wanna see wich of the TMPIN is my CPU.

So, I did Prime95 full blast on all my 4 cores for about 4 minutes, then I quitted it... Im scared I will push it too far, as there is no game that loads all cores to 100% constant. All temperature are given in CELSIUS.

MSI's Control Center: CPU max temp - 65 degrees (Would probably increased if I continued) [currently 47 degrees]
HWiNFO64: CPU 0 max temp - 54.3 degrees (Currently at 18 degrees :s )
-||-: CPU 0 Package max temp - 48.0 degrees
New line, same program: Fintek F71889F
-||-: Motherboard max temp - 61 degrees
-||-: Auxiliary (???) max temp - 65 degrees (Currently 43 degrees, so it cannot be my CPU)
-||-: CPU max temp - 31 degrees
-||-: T1/D1+ max temp - 62 degrees
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HWMonitor temps:
TMPIN0 max temp - 62 degrees
TMPIN1 max temp - 65 degrees
TMPIN2 max temp - 110 degrees

Like, every single program says different... Mainly, I wanna know wich one is my Motherboard, VRM, CPU and such... Like, the important things.. But at the moment, I have no idea..
I can't run MSI's Control Center to pay attention to the cpu temp when gaming. It takes abit much memory and cpu, and it cant be minimized to tray to show temp only. At the moment, MSI's Control Center says my CPU is 47 degrees, and im surfing atm.

Sorry for long text, but I kinda need help.
 

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Holy shit. This is amazing, I cant believe my eyes. I just installed Hyper Evo 212, with the fan on the right side, pointing to the RAM sticks. And guess what, From 45-50 degrees celsius to 30-35 degrees celsius in BIOS!! Thanks guys!!
 
You are trying to draw wide generalized conclusions from limited data. It's like saying Fords are faster the Chevys w/o making any indication of which Ford and which Chevy. One can not say that water cooling is better / worse than air cooling because those designations cover a very wide scope of solutions. And looking in BIOS doesn't really mean much because your system is not under any significant load.

A Hyoer 212 Air Cooler will get you comparable cooling to a 120mm AIO / CLC water cooling unit. I would not be thinking about 4.5 Ghz OC however on a Hyper 212.

Entry level = stock cooling

Step Up No. 1 = Hyper 212 / Corsair H50

Step Up No. 2 = Phanteks PH-TC14-PE / Noctua DH-14 / Corsair H110

Step Up No 3. = Custom Water Loop

Download RoG Real Bench and HW Monitor. Run the Real Bench Benchmark and not individual core temps in HW Monitor. Be careful of voltages.

-A very good air cooler or 120mm CLC is required for voltage levels above 1.15V.
-1.20V-1.23V requires use of 240/280mm closed loop water coolers or one of the top 3 air coolers.
-1.24V-1.275V dual or triple radiator water cooling solutions are advised.

 

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Oh, I thought that every form of liquid coolers are way better than fans and heatsinks.
And dont missunderstand me now or something, dont mean to be rude, but how can you disregard OC'ing to 4.5GHz with that cooler? I mean, what if I got very good ventilation and such. As it seems now, I can OC it more (running 4.12 atm), because my load temps are like max 45. Im gonna do a Prime95 test tonight.

Or maybe im out biking, but what I have learned, the main reason what causes the OC limit, is due to overheating. Is that wrong?

Also, I have every temp monitor you could imagine, let me see if I remember all, SpeedFan, RealTemp, HWMonitor, HWiNFO64, AIDA64, CoreTemp... None of those softwares measures my CPU correctly, because appearantly, it's 27 degrees in full load..
MSI's CLICK BIOS II/Control Center, measures my CPU temp to be 37 degrees celsius, and the pc has been on for almost 1 day n night. CPU fan running at 1.570 RPM. The only sensor that is close to my CPU temp according Control Center, is TMPIN0 and TMPIN1. #0 measures 5 degrees less, and #1 measures 4 degrees celsius more.
 

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Did Prime95 for 7 minutes without any error. CPU temp gotten at 42 in one minute, and never past 42 degrees celsius. On the other hand, something on the MOBO increased to 65 degrees celsius.. I have no idea what it is.. TMPIN1 in HWMonitor, and Auxiliary in HWiNFO64

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