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March 31, 2014 7:54:04 PM

Hello all this is my first forum post,

I want to build my first computer for gaming and video editing with the adobe suite CS6. My only experience with computer hardware are the newegg videos on Youtube, so I tried to make a pc with $1000 budget in mind, but I went a little over. I need some help to hopefully reduce the cost and still be able to run mainstream games (Bioshock infinite, Diablo III, Crysis III) and emulators on high settings. I'm not interested in overclocking so I'll be using the stock fan. I was looking around on the main page of the site here for the best pc build, but I wanted to see if I could make a competent build, plus pcpartpicker is pretty much idiot proof with the automatic compatibility setting.

The parts and price as of 3/31/14.

CPU:Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $209.99

MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $174.99

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $156.99

Storage:
Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $89.99
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card $249.99

Case: NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower Case (I chose this mainly for looks, not sure if it's efficient) $110.98

Power supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $103.95

Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (I don't care for Blu-ray, but I do want to burn dvd/cd) $79.98

OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) $89.98
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter $24.99

Total Price: $1278.81
Wattage: 360W

The only thing I'm nervous about is breaking a part (like the CPU), but I have a friend who went to school for IT to help supervise me when I assemble it all together, I just want to know if I'm picking smart.

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March 31, 2014 7:58:02 PM

Everything looks great except the ram. 8GB is fine for gaming.
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March 31, 2014 8:00:59 PM

Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.
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March 31, 2014 8:02:22 PM

it is a revision of your build, with better price/performance parts selection
Asus gtx 770 is now cheap, cant miss it

if you dont want to OC, then you can use locked PCU + B85 mobo
you can save $100 from it

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($136.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($73.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1179.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-31 23:01 EDT-0400)
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March 31, 2014 8:06:11 PM

mamamia13 said:
Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.


A core i5 will definitely not bottleneck a GTX 760....

Also that PSU should do fine, but I would try to get the XFX 750W Gold+ as it's the same price but is a higher quality
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March 31, 2014 8:07:34 PM

AMD Radeon said:
it is a revision of your build, with better price/performance parts selection
Asus gtx 770 is now cheap, cant miss it

if you dont want to OC, then you can use locked PCU + B85 mobo
you can save $100 from it

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($136.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($73.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1179.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-31 23:01 EDT-0400)


This looks good
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March 31, 2014 8:07:37 PM

The 3570k will absolutely not bottleneck a gtx 760. +1 for amd radeons build.
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March 31, 2014 8:08:48 PM

mamamia13 said:
Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.


No it won't bottleneck the gpu.
Not by a long shot.

However, op should get Haswell generation i5 4670k.
No point getting ivy bridge now.

..ofcourse i didnt bother reading the whole thread.
someone already pointed that out.. and the haswell thing.

You should thank me for adding no new or useful info to this thread.
It was a pleasure.
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March 31, 2014 8:10:13 PM

Sorry, I'm still a tech newbie. I'll delete that comment. It was Ivy Bridge so I was kinda lost there
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March 31, 2014 8:11:15 PM

sunder25 said:
mamamia13 said:
Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.


No it won't bottleneck the gpu.
Not by a long shot.

However, op should get Haswell generation i5 4670k.
No point getting ivy bridge now.


Your signature though ... :p 
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March 31, 2014 8:18:50 PM

eh, I built it and that's the only computer I have. By "tech newbie" I meant that I know all about hardware, just not software
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March 31, 2014 8:20:17 PM

AMD Radeon said:
it is a revision of your build, with better price/performance parts selection
Asus gtx 770 is now cheap, cant miss it

if you dont want to OC, then you can use locked PCU + B85 mobo
you can save $100 from it

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($136.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($73.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1179.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-31 23:01 EDT-0400)


I'm going to put this into the site and just add a wireless card since my router is in an inconvenient spot in my home, will the case you supplied have a backslot to put that in? I ask because there's only the one photo on the page, thanks again for the build. For future reference how do I check if my GPU will bottleneck by CPU?
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March 31, 2014 8:22:50 PM

the case has it
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it is only rule of thumb that i5 OC is for high end GPU like gtx 770, 280X
locked i5 is for gtx 760, 270x

only that way i can say that the build is balanced or not
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March 31, 2014 8:25:01 PM

AbsintheNG said:
AMD Radeon said:
it is a revision of your build, with better price/performance parts selection
Asus gtx 770 is now cheap, cant miss it

if you dont want to OC, then you can use locked PCU + B85 mobo
you can save $100 from it

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($136.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($73.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1179.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-31 23:01 EDT-0400)


I'm going to put this into the site and just add a wireless card since my router is in an inconvenient spot in my home, will the case you supplied have a backslot to put that in? I ask because there's only the one photo on the page, thanks again for the build. For future reference how do I check if my GPU will bottleneck by CPU?


It should fit pcie x1 slot. It should have room above the gpu.
Read cpu reviews.
Ask here:p 
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March 31, 2014 8:29:56 PM

to the op if your going to move the pc a lot for work look into using a smaller case and itx mb.
http://www.aerocool.com.tw/chassis/ds/1023.html
there also the cosair r-200 case that takes cheaper micro atx mb.
http://www.legitreviews.com/hands-on-with-devils-canyon...
if your going to buy parts wait and get the newer x9x chipset mb it let you drop in the next brodwell cpu from intel. also looks like there changing the tim used in the newer haswell refresh.

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March 31, 2014 8:30:05 PM

mamamia13 said:
Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.


Totally false. The GPU will bottleneck the CPU in every game. It'd take a 780 TI to compete noticeable with an i5-4670k in games.

EVGA is nearly as well known as Corsair, he could honestly get by easily with a 500w EVGA PSU. Yes, Corsair is higher quality, but not enough to really matter 99% of the time. Especially since Corsair has a few crap PSUs as well.
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March 31, 2014 8:58:54 PM

smorizio said:
to the op if your going to move the pc a lot for work look into using a smaller case and itx mb.
http://www.aerocool.com.tw/chassis/ds/1023.html
there also the cosair r-200 case that takes cheaper micro atx mb.
http://www.legitreviews.com/hands-on-with-devils-canyon...
if your going to buy parts wait and get the newer x9x chipset mb it let you drop in the next brodwell cpu from intel. also looks like there changing the tim used in the newer haswell refresh.



That CPU is set for Q3 of this year, is there any idea on price?

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March 31, 2014 9:01:57 PM

Rationale said:
mamamia13 said:
Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.


Totally false. The GPU will bottleneck the CPU in every game. It'd take a 780 TI to compete noticeable with an i5-4670k in games.

EVGA is nearly as well known as Corsair, he could honestly get by easily with a 500w EVGA PSU. Yes, Corsair is higher quality, but not enough to really matter 99% of the time. Especially since Corsair has a few crap PSUs as well.


I feel pretty set with Radeon's build he made for me. I'm not sure on what to improve and if it will even matter (apples and oranges). Is there anything wrong with it?
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March 31, 2014 9:09:09 PM

AbsintheNG said:
Rationale said:
mamamia13 said:
Huh, that cpu will bottleneck the gpu. Get something like an i7-4770/3770k. They'll do perfect. Also I would go with corsair PSUs, A 650W one, they're much more know in the pc world. And, the RAM is a bit overkill. But it is okay for video editing. And don't sweat, i'm only 14 and I've never built a computer, but I have the same amount of knowledge as your own average computer building Joe.


Totally false. The GPU will bottleneck the CPU in every game. It'd take a 780 TI to compete noticeable with an i5-4670k in games.

EVGA is nearly as well known as Corsair, he could honestly get by easily with a 500w EVGA PSU. Yes, Corsair is higher quality, but not enough to really matter 99% of the time. Especially since Corsair has a few crap PSUs as well.


I feel pretty set with Radeon's build he made for me. I'm not sure on what to improve and if it will even matter (apples and oranges). Is there anything wrong with it?


His build looks good.
The CPU will still outperform the 770, but there's nothing wrong with that. I was just correcting mamamia.
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April 1, 2014 11:11:21 AM

I was wondering how this build compares the build made by radeon. It has the same processor, a bigger PSU, a better fan, and similar enough parts within the same price range. The only difference is the funds/size for the ram which was used to get a better fan. Also that red case is just sexy. I can always just buy more ram later down the line.

I'm still not savy enough to compare GPU's :( 

Katjut's build
http://pcpartpicker.com/b/MjK

What I have now
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3kfvC

The ssd doesn't come with a sata cable or a bracket to slide it into the 3.5" bay so I added them as "custom" parts.
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April 1, 2014 2:44:16 PM

AbsintheNG said:
I was wondering how this build compares the build made by radeon. It has the same processor, a bigger PSU, a better fan, and similar enough parts within the same price range. The only difference is the funds/size for the ram which was used to get a better fan. Also that red case is just sexy. I can always just buy more ram later down the line.

I'm still not savy enough to compare GPU's :( 

Katjut's build
http://pcpartpicker.com/b/MjK

What I have now
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3kfvC

The ssd doesn't come with a sata cable or a bracket to slide it into the 3.5" bay so I added them as "custom" parts.


I would combine them, really.

If you'd be going with a red case, it'd also be possible to make things match more without losing quality or increasing price.

The NZXT Phantom 410 is a good case. I have the gunmetal gray / white LED version. The top and front casings are plastic, but the rest of the case, including the whole rectangular part, is metal, which is good.
There's plenty of space in it as well. In other cases I've used, when I got to install a side fan it was a conflict for space with the GPU power connectors. In the Phantom 410 the side fan is lower than the video card, so it leaves plenty of space to install just about anything. The metal casing in front of the HDD racks can also be removed if you get an extremely long video card, though I don't think you'll need to.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $179.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $30.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (Purchased For $78.99)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $59.99)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $74.99)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $19.99)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (Purchased For $96.88)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1136.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-01 17:44 EDT-0400)
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April 1, 2014 5:34:35 PM

Rationale said:
AbsintheNG said:
I was wondering how this build compares the build made by radeon. It has the same processor, a bigger PSU, a better fan, and similar enough parts within the same price range. The only difference is the funds/size for the ram which was used to get a better fan. Also that red case is just sexy. I can always just buy more ram later down the line.

I'm still not savy enough to compare GPU's :( 

Katjut's build
http://pcpartpicker.com/b/MjK

What I have now
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3kfvC

The ssd doesn't come with a sata cable or a bracket to slide it into the 3.5" bay so I added them as "custom" parts.


I would combine them, really.

If you'd be going with a red case, it'd also be possible to make things match more without losing quality or increasing price.

The NZXT Phantom 410 is a good case. I have the gunmetal gray / white LED version. The top and front casings are plastic, but the rest of the case, including the whole rectangular part, is metal, which is good.
There's plenty of space in it as well. In other cases I've used, when I got to install a side fan it was a conflict for space with the GPU power connectors. In the Phantom 410 the side fan is lower than the video card, so it leaves plenty of space to install just about anything. The metal casing in front of the HDD racks can also be removed if you get an extremely long video card, though I don't think you'll need to.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $179.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $30.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (Purchased For $78.99)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $59.99)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $74.99)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $19.99)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (Purchased For $96.88)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1136.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-01 17:44 EDT-0400)


There's a compatibility note for space though. "In order to fit, the MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card may require removing drive bays from the NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case. The case only supports video cards up to 230mm in length without removing drive bays, while the video card is 260mm long."

I'm a little worried it's going to be a tight fit. I took a look at the side and I'm not sure removing any bays are going to free up enough space
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