Low FPS with GTX 760

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

So i upgraded my graphics card yesterday from gtx 550 ti to gtx 760. I am getting about 30 fps on ultra settings and dropping as low as 20 fps while playing Elder Scrolls Online.
Specs:
Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
Intel Core 2 Extreme CPU Q6850 3.0 GHz
8GB DDR3 1600 Mhz
1TB HDD
ZOTAC GTX 760 AMP! Edition
PSU Ultra 650W

Now i know that you will probably mention a bottleneck between the CPU and GPU but when I am running the game, the GPU load is at 50% and CPU is at roughly 35 - 40 %.
I have no idea whats going on and why my frames are so low. Temps are fine i think, max is 65c.

If anyone has some tips or an idea. I also re-installed win 8.1 but kept my personal files.

Denis Stoikovski · Apr 4, 2014

Hm i think the cpu is the problem im not 100% sure but yeah i think its the cpu.

benfulks · Apr 4, 2014

we cant say for sure quite yet. i would say try and do a under clock on it, note the fps then do an over clock on it, note the fps and let us know your findings.

tylerpol · Apr 4, 2014

I have a very similar setup to yours, with a GTX 760. The main differences are only that I have an OCed Core i5 4670k (4.4GHz) and faster RAM (2400MHz). I doubt the RAM is making much of a difference for me in terms of frame rates.

I get a steady 60 fps in ESO with all settings maxed and only a slight drop when first entering really crowded battle areas in Tamriel (i.e. 200+ player battles). So yeah, if the RAM speed difference between our rigs is not a big factor (I say this only because it rarely is for a lot of games), then I would hazard a guess and say it's likely that you CPU is a bottleneck.

The only other thing I would suggest you try if you haven't already is updating your nvidia drivers. If you have a really old version, that could also result in you have really low framerates in new games.

EDIT: I would definitely recommend you try what benfulks suggested, that would be a good way to pin down the CPU as a major bottleneck or not.

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

benfulks :

I have never overclocked a CPU, maybe you can point me in the right direction? Also, wouldn't the CPU usage be much higher for a bottleneck?

The Letter Mu · Apr 4, 2014

It's gotta be the CPU. But before we jump to that conclusion, where exactly are you getting this low FPS? In crowded areas? Where does your FPS sit when you're in an indoor area alone? Use benfulks suggestion as well to see if your FPS budges at all by over/underclocking.

EDIT: What motherboard do you have? We'll be able to help you overclock if your motherboard's chipset supports overclocking, since we know the CPU does for sure.

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

The Letter Mu :

With no one around and out in the open (only npc enemies around) i am hitting max 40 fps in ultra and dipping as low as 20 if it starts raining. Combat will also drop it

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

The Letter Mu :

With no one around and out in the open (only npc enemies around) i am hitting max 40 fps in ultra and dipping as low as 20 if it starts raining. Combat will also drop it

EDIT ASUS P5P43TD is the motherboard i use

The Letter Mu · Apr 4, 2014

It might be the drivers. Did you install/update them?

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

The Letter Mu :

I have the latest version of the nvidia driver

paitjsu sadff · Apr 4, 2014

if GPU won't get higher than 50% load in games as you mentionned then there is a CPU bottleneck, those old CPU while being 4 core CPU's don,t have the single thread performance of todays CPU and if a core gets taxed to 100% in a game (wich must be almost always the case with such a CPU) then there you go...the GPU won't get fed enough data...many games still use only 2 heavy thread for data processing on the CPU, those games would need a better performance of the cores in order to process the data required for the GPU...sorry

I had a similar setup with a core 2 quad Q6600 overclocked at 3.6ghz paired with a HD7950 GPU and when i swapped that to the FX-8320 the minimum fps in games took a GIANT leap...went from like 25-30fps to about 55-60 fps...and then i swapped the 7950 for a GTX780 and now it's just plain EPIC...

The Letter Mu · Apr 4, 2014

That board should be able to overclock. First, what do your CPU temperatures look like? Download HWMonitor to see them. We want to see if it'll be safe to overclock.

4745454b · Apr 4, 2014

If 65C is the CPU temp it might be thermally throttling as well. It's an older C2Q setup so there could be a lot of dust in there. Before you OC you should clean the heatsink really well and possibly upgrade the cooling. (If you are using the stock HSF I would upgrade it before attempting any kind of OC.)

The Letter Mu · Apr 4, 2014

What 4745454b said. If the HSF's I received for my older 1st Gen i5's idled at 70C (2 fan case too; 1 intake 1 exhaust) I'd imagine the Core 2 Quads being about the same, if not worse due to dust.

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

The Letter Mu :

4745454b :

I forget which cooling system i purchased, this was about 3 years ago. But ya while running the game at ultra, max CPU temp is 60C

EDIT: jumping between 56-58C
EDIT: Quick question, what is CPUTIN?

maddogfargo · Apr 4, 2014

How many CPU cores can ESO use? If it is not well optimized for multicore CPUs, it may max out 1-2 cores to 100%, but that will only show as 25%-50% overall CPU usage.

MMOs like Guild Wars 2 and Neverwinter also share this similar trend. They usually get better optimized over time.

The Letter Mu · Apr 4, 2014

Overclocking should be feasible. If you enter your BIOS, you should be able to navigate to some options to adjust your Clock Multiplier, Base Clock, and Voltages. Let us know if you can see those before we proceed.

EDIT: maddogfargo is correct. AFAIC ESO is in Beta, and your processor doesn't have an L3 cache, just a very large L2. I'm not the best on cache speeds, but since that L2 is so large (8MB) I'm guessing it wouldn't be as fast as the L2's we have in our modern CPU's (which move that large amount of cache to L3, leaving <1MB to the L2). I can see the C2Q receiving that data and not going through it as fast.

benfulks · Apr 4, 2014

from the sounds of it right now. i am thinking you do have a cpu bottleneck issue. you have to remember you are pinging 1 core to 100% and the another core at 90%. you dont have the turbo boost feature of newer cpus so windows is only going to see very limited cpu usage if the game is not threaded for 4 cores.

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

The Letter Mu :

Before i move forward, the CPUTIN is at 103c and AUXTIN at 151C

paitjsu sadff · Apr 4, 2014

maddogfargo :

Exactly, as i said in a previous post that was ignored, the CPU gets maxed out on 1 or 2 core and can't feed the required data for the GPU to produce acceptable framerates...overclocking it, un-dusting it or whatever you could do to it will have minimal effect on the performance of this CPU cause it does not have the required performance per core required for modern baldy optimised games...i'm sure in games that will use 4 or 6 cores the performance offered from such a CPU will be much better...but in games that use 1 or 2 threads only you will see that bottleneck...and overclocking will indeed improve the minimum framerates but only by a slight margin. Has i stated i had my Q6600 overclocked under an hyper 212 cooler and still the performances in game was bellow average...oh and BTW those CPU does not throttle down like modern cpu's when they get hot, they get hotter and hotter and keep the ghz up until they reach the built in treashold protection and when that happens the PC reboot...trust me i know

benfulks · Apr 4, 2014

woah you sure its C? that is EXTREMELY HOT!

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

benfulks :

Yes, thats what it is showing while running the game, my cores are no more than 60 though. not sure what those represent

paitjsu sadff · Apr 4, 2014

benfulks :

Cant be, the CPU would be melted on the board at this point in time :no:

EDIT: OH that has to be the VRM's temp on the motherboard...not the CPU temps.

My recommandation would be to overclock the CPU only if you have a good cpu cooler in hand like a cooler master hyper 212 or something like that...otherwise you might damage your CPU/motherboard and it will not be worth it you will get 2-3 more fps in games, nothing more than that...you need a mobo/cpu/ram upgrade to enjoy your GPU fully...

The Letter Mu · Apr 4, 2014

Bad sensors? I'm almost certain that if those are that high, your other temps would be high as well.

Sayco · Apr 4, 2014

paitjsu sadff :

The Letter Mu :

Here is a screen shot:
http://i.imgur.com/BZHzQWK.png

Also, If it is a CPU bottleneck then which graphics card do you guys recommend thats an upgrade from the 550 ti that won't bottleneck my CPU?

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