Asus POSEIDON-GTX780 vs Asus 780ti for gaming

if I had to choose one of the two listed, I would choose the 780ti. it feature drastic performance increases that the 780 Poseidon could never reach, even with extreme overclocking. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-vs-ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780 that is a performance comparison between the 780 and 780ti (the standard 780 has the same performance specs as the 780 Poseidon, just without the water cooler). The 780ti is only ~$100 more than the 780 Poseidon, and is well worth the $$. Another option is to get 2 MSI TF Radeon r9 280/r9 280x and crossfire them. That would end up giving you about 500-1000 more stream processors (or CUDA cores as NVIDIA calls them), as well as 6gb combined memory instead of 3. MSI's cards also come with an amazing OCing tool, as well as a built-in screen recorder/live streamer called Predator. I personally would go with that option instead of the GTX 780/780ti

The ASUS GTX 780 Poseidon is only 2 fps behind the 780 TI in Battlefield 4. Put the Poseidon on liquid cooling, and it would easily beat the 780 TI. ROG components are hand picked to ensure the highest quality and highest overclocks.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/asus-rog-poseidon-gtx-780-review/3

That's not the Asus ROG Poseidon, that's just a standard Asus 780.

Really now. I know. They have the exact same specs though

Then, would you kindly explain how an ROG Poseidon is consistently only behind a 780 TI by only 2-3 fps?

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/asus-rog-poseidon-gtx-780-review/4
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/asus-rog-poseidon-gtx-780-review/5
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/asus-rog-poseidon-gtx-780-review/3

1. GPU Boss is not a very good indicator of real world performance. It mostly compares specs on each card and doesn't show a lot of gaming comparisons. Instead, here are actual gaming reviews comparing the GTX 780 Poseidon to the GTX 780 Ti:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/03/25/asus_rog_poseidon_gtx_780_video_card_review
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-poseidon-gtx-780-video-card-review_137993

2. Crossfire is never going to be a better option than SLI or a single good top of the line video card. Crossfire will introduce frame latency, microstutter, driver problems, and AMD's well-established history of poor game support. Add in the fact that the frame pacing fix still hasn't been fully implemented for the 280x cards, and the recommendation is suspect.

3. You seem to be equating AMD shader processors with Nvidia's CUDA cores. The architectures are not the same and simply counting the shaders does not give an indication of one's relative performance over the other. In general, AMD cards are on par with their Nvidia counterparts when the AMD card has more shader processors. A great example is the 7970/280x with 2048 shader processors, while the equal GTX 770 has only 1536 CUDA cores.

4. You also seem to think that VRAM memory in dual card setup is stacked, i.e. that you add it up to get the total RAM per GPU. It does not stack and each GPU still only has 3GB of memory available per GPU, not 6 GB as you indicate. There is zero VRAM advantage for a 3GB x 2 crossfire setup versus a 3GB single GPU. These cards all have the same memory bus width, but the 780 and 780 Ti in fact have faster memory, so the bandwidth advantage lies with the single GTX 780 or 780 Ti.

5. MSI's Afterburner software can be used with any video card, regardless of make and model.

6. AMD's "Predator", as you call it, doesn't seem to come up on any Google searches on my end. In any event, if it exists, there is no way that it is better than Nvidia's Shadowplay software that allows live game recording with minimal performance impact. Shadowplay has been out for some time, comes bundled free with Nvidia drivers, and is universally acclaimed as the best game recording software available.

7. Quote: "I personally would go with that option instead of the GTX 780/780ti". Your personal opinion can't be faulted, but you should check your "facts" before offering them as advice.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/21.html


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_780_Ti_Direct_Cu_II_OC/9.html


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_780_Ti_Direct_Cu_II_OC/24.html

The Hz of your monitor only raises your overhead before you get screen tearing. It doesn't take more horsepower when you have a higher refresh rate on your monitor. The difference is that the 60 Hz monitor only displays 60 FPS max, while the 144 Hz monitor can display 144 FPS max.

Your big issue with AMD and your favorite game StarCraft II is that it is a DirectX 9 game. AMD still hasn't gotten its frame pacing fix for DirectX 9 working well. So multiple monitors, generally requiring a dual card setup, will be subject to frame pacing problems with StarCraft II on an AMD system. AMD just doesn't do DirectX 9 very well (also goes for Skyrim, by the way). As you can see, even a GTX 680 is better/as good as a R9-290X in StarCraft II. (I would assume the GTX 780 Ti's showing is the result of early drivers, or just the fact that the game is not that demanding.)

For BF4 and multiple monitors, here is a look:


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GTX_780_Ti_Jet_Stream/9.html

By the way, a pair of GTX 670's in SLI is about the same as a GTX 690.... i.e. about the same performance as a single GTX 780 Ti. I'm not sure why you want to swap out your current video cards for a single card that will offer no performance increase.

Exactly how much slower are they running? How many cps does it lag the game? You should be able to run it at 120hz which would give you a nice spot in the middle... most displays run at 60, 120, 240, 600. I can't say I've every actually seen a 144hz display. I've seen 65 though

Adding a second 780Ti in SLI comes to mind.

I guess, if your logic is to spend $1400 on a pair of video cards as the only way to boost your performance over what you currently have.

Well, if I am interpreting this correctly, it sounds like the gtx 780 is the card you really want. Even though the 780ti has more stream processors, both of these cards are so ridiculously fast that you won't hardly notice a difference between them. With water cooling though, you should be able to set up a pretty fast overclock for you gaming. So I would get the 780P. (It also looks pretty sick compared to the 780ti. Those red accents doe. Get a sick case with a big window and some red LED case fans and you are set!) Just to note as well, even though it is more expensive than the gtx 780ti, there is a nice AMD water cooled card from PowerColor. Its the r9 290x, and it isn't nearly as good as any card that could ever come from Asus. But anyways, get what you want, either way, you are going to be doing some pretty sick gaming in the future!