Asus POSEIDON-GTX780 vs Asus 780ti for gaming
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bjkill
April 5, 2014 10:05:21 AM
Hi I am currently in the market to upgrade my 670 msi PE but don't know which card to get.
1. Asus POSEIDON-GTX780 (air cooled)
2. Asus 780Ti
I like to play starcraft and BF4.
Have the Asus VG248QE 144 Hz monitor. Would love try a three monitor setup for BF4 but I am sure if I want to use three VG248QE 144Hrz monitors I would need some major GPU power.
So the following are my questions.
1. I guess my question is pretty basic. I am sure the 780 Ti is faster but is it significant when playing games on one 144 monitor Asus VG248QE?
2. Let's say I water cool the Poseidon card could it be brought up to 780 Ti performance levels in BF4?
Other considerations. I currently run a Maximus VI Formula Mobo, have Corsair water cooling on a test bench. Am thinking of going water cooling for the mobo and GPU. I am not an over clocker per say but I do overclock if it can significantly improve my gaming experience. Is this enough info to snswer my questions? thanks.
1. Asus POSEIDON-GTX780 (air cooled)
2. Asus 780Ti
I like to play starcraft and BF4.
Have the Asus VG248QE 144 Hz monitor. Would love try a three monitor setup for BF4 but I am sure if I want to use three VG248QE 144Hrz monitors I would need some major GPU power.
So the following are my questions.
1. I guess my question is pretty basic. I am sure the 780 Ti is faster but is it significant when playing games on one 144 monitor Asus VG248QE?
2. Let's say I water cool the Poseidon card could it be brought up to 780 Ti performance levels in BF4?
Other considerations. I currently run a Maximus VI Formula Mobo, have Corsair water cooling on a test bench. Am thinking of going water cooling for the mobo and GPU. I am not an over clocker per say but I do overclock if it can significantly improve my gaming experience. Is this enough info to snswer my questions? thanks.
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dutche99
April 5, 2014 11:18:16 AM
if I had to choose one of the two listed, I would choose the 780ti. it feature drastic performance increases that the 780 Poseidon could never reach, even with extreme overclocking. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-vs-ASUS... that is a performance comparison between the 780 and 780ti (the standard 780 has the same performance specs as the 780 Poseidon, just without the water cooler). The 780ti is only ~$100 more than the 780 Poseidon, and is well worth the $$. Another option is to get 2 MSI TF Radeon r9 280/r9 280x and crossfire them. That would end up giving you about 500-1000 more stream processors (or CUDA cores as NVIDIA calls them), as well as 6gb combined memory instead of 3. MSI's cards also come with an amazing OCing tool, as well as a built-in screen recorder/live streamer called Predator. I personally would go with that option instead of the GTX 780/780ti
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The ASUS GTX 780 Poseidon is only 2 fps behind the 780 TI in Battlefield 4. Put the Poseidon on liquid cooling, and it would easily beat the 780 TI. ROG components are hand picked to ensure the highest quality and highest overclocks.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/as...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/as...
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dutche99 said:
if I had to choose one of the two listed, I would choose the 780ti. it feature drastic performance increases that the 780 Poseidon could never reach, even with extreme overclocking. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-vs-ASUS... that is a performance comparison That's not the Asus ROG Poseidon, that's just a standard Asus 780.
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dutche99
April 5, 2014 11:48:30 AM
Rationale said:
dutche99 said:
if I had to choose one of the two listed, I would choose the 780ti. it feature drastic performance increases that the 780 Poseidon could never reach, even with extreme overclocking. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-vs-ASUS... that is a performance comparison That's not the Asus ROG Poseidon, that's just a standard Asus 780.
Really now. I know. They have the exact same specs though
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dutche99 said:
Rationale said:
dutche99 said:
if I had to choose one of the two listed, I would choose the 780ti. it feature drastic performance increases that the 780 Poseidon could never reach, even with extreme overclocking. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-vs-ASUS... that is a performance comparison That's not the Asus ROG Poseidon, that's just a standard Asus 780.
Really now. I know. They have the exact same specs though
Then, would you kindly explain how an ROG Poseidon is consistently only behind a 780 TI by only 2-3 fps?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/as...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/as...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/14/as...
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bjkill
April 5, 2014 12:03:34 PM
Thank you both for your advises.
Q1. Since you guys know so much can someone explain to me the REAL LIFE advantage of let's say a Normal 780 and a normal 780 Ti? I only play StarCraft and BF4 so that is all I care about in terms of performance gauges. The two cards are roughly 200 bucks apart. What am I getting from the Ti?
Q2. I am currently using a Asus 144 Hz monitor and I think it is really putting a large load on my 670 SLI setup. Does 144Hz take significantly more GPU power than 60Hz?
Q3. If I were to use multiple monitors (three max) is AMD a better choice?
Thank you so much for the advice
Q1. Since you guys know so much can someone explain to me the REAL LIFE advantage of let's say a Normal 780 and a normal 780 Ti? I only play StarCraft and BF4 so that is all I care about in terms of performance gauges. The two cards are roughly 200 bucks apart. What am I getting from the Ti?
Q2. I am currently using a Asus 144 Hz monitor and I think it is really putting a large load on my 670 SLI setup. Does 144Hz take significantly more GPU power than 60Hz?
Q3. If I were to use multiple monitors (three max) is AMD a better choice?
Thank you so much for the advice
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dutche99 said:
if I had to choose one of the two listed, I would choose the 780ti. it feature drastic performance increases that the 780 Poseidon could never reach, even with extreme overclocking. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-vs-ASUS... that is a performance comparison between the 780 and 780ti (the standard 780 has the same performance specs as the 780 Poseidon, just without the water cooler). The 780ti is only ~$100 more than the 780 Poseidon, and is well worth the $$. Another option is to get 2 MSI TF Radeon r9 280/r9 280x and crossfire them. That would end up giving you about 500-1000 more stream processors (or CUDA cores as NVIDIA calls them), as well as 6gb combined memory instead of 3. MSI's cards also come with an amazing OCing tool, as well as a built-in screen recorder/live streamer called Predator. I personally would go with that option instead of the GTX 780/780ti1. GPU Boss is not a very good indicator of real world performance. It mostly compares specs on each card and doesn't show a lot of gaming comparisons. Instead, here are actual gaming reviews comparing the GTX 780 Poseidon to the GTX 780 Ti:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/03/25/asus_rog_pose...
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-poseidon-gtx-780-video...
2. Crossfire is never going to be a better option than SLI or a single good top of the line video card. Crossfire will introduce frame latency, microstutter, driver problems, and AMD's well-established history of poor game support. Add in the fact that the frame pacing fix still hasn't been fully implemented for the 280x cards, and the recommendation is suspect.
3. You seem to be equating AMD shader processors with Nvidia's CUDA cores. The architectures are not the same and simply counting the shaders does not give an indication of one's relative performance over the other. In general, AMD cards are on par with their Nvidia counterparts when the AMD card has more shader processors. A great example is the 7970/280x with 2048 shader processors, while the equal GTX 770 has only 1536 CUDA cores.
4. You also seem to think that VRAM memory in dual card setup is stacked, i.e. that you add it up to get the total RAM per GPU. It does not stack and each GPU still only has 3GB of memory available per GPU, not 6 GB as you indicate. There is zero VRAM advantage for a 3GB x 2 crossfire setup versus a 3GB single GPU. These cards all have the same memory bus width, but the 780 and 780 Ti in fact have faster memory, so the bandwidth advantage lies with the single GTX 780 or 780 Ti.
5. MSI's Afterburner software can be used with any video card, regardless of make and model.
6. AMD's "Predator", as you call it, doesn't seem to come up on any Google searches on my end. In any event, if it exists, there is no way that it is better than Nvidia's Shadowplay software that allows live game recording with minimal performance impact. Shadowplay has been out for some time, comes bundled free with Nvidia drivers, and is universally acclaimed as the best game recording software available.
7. Quote: "I personally would go with that option instead of the GTX 780/780ti". Your personal opinion can't be faulted, but you should check your "facts" before offering them as advice.
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bjkill said:
Thank you both for your advises. Q1. Since you guys know so much can someone explain to me the REAL LIFE advantage of let's say a Normal 780 and a normal 780 Ti? I only play StarCraft and BF4 so that is all I care about in terms of performance gauges. The two cards are roughly 200 bucks apart. What am I getting from the Ti?
Q2. I am currently using a Asus 144 Hz monitor and I think it is really putting a large load on my 670 SLI setup. Does 144Hz take significantly more GPU power than 60Hz?
Q3. If I were to use multiple monitors (three max) is AMD a better choice?
Thank you so much for the advice

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_780_Ti_Dire...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_780_Ti_Dire...
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bjkill said:
Thank you both for your advises. Q1. Since you guys know so much can someone explain to me the REAL LIFE advantage of let's say a Normal 780 and a normal 780 Ti? I only play StarCraft and BF4 so that is all I care about in terms of performance gauges. The two cards are roughly 200 bucks apart. What am I getting from the Ti?
Q2. I am currently using a Asus 144 Hz monitor and I think it is really putting a large load on my 670 SLI setup. Does 144Hz take significantly more GPU power than 60Hz?
Q3. If I were to use multiple monitors (three max) is AMD a better choice?
Thank you so much for the advice
The Hz of your monitor only raises your overhead before you get screen tearing. It doesn't take more horsepower when you have a higher refresh rate on your monitor. The difference is that the 60 Hz monitor only displays 60 FPS max, while the 144 Hz monitor can display 144 FPS max.
Your big issue with AMD and your favorite game StarCraft II is that it is a DirectX 9 game. AMD still hasn't gotten its frame pacing fix for DirectX 9 working well. So multiple monitors, generally requiring a dual card setup, will be subject to frame pacing problems with StarCraft II on an AMD system. AMD just doesn't do DirectX 9 very well (also goes for Skyrim, by the way). As you can see, even a GTX 680 is better/as good as a R9-290X in StarCraft II. (I would assume the GTX 780 Ti's showing is the result of early drivers, or just the fact that the game is not that demanding.)
For BF4 and multiple monitors, here is a look:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GTX_780_Ti_Jet...
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bjkill
April 5, 2014 12:22:28 PM
man you guys are good and I don't want to start a war here. Thanks a lot for the answers....
I guess I will continue my questions then, didn't want to dump too many questions at once.
so Here goes.
Q1. Since you guys know so much can someone explain to me the REAL LIFE advantage of let's say a Normal 780 and a normal 780 Ti? I only play StarCraft and BF4 so that is all I care about in terms of performance gauges. The two cards are roughly 200 bucks apart. What am I getting from the Ti?
Q2. I am currently using a Asus 144 Hz monitor and I think it is really putting a large load on my 670 SLI setup. Does 144Hz take significantly more GPU power than 60Hz?
Q3. If I were to use multiple monitors (three max) is AMD a better choice?
Q4. If price is not really my top concern rather performance and value. With the equipment that I use (check signature) which make and card model should I get. keeping in mind that I have a full water cooling setup that I am not currently using (meaning I have everything except the GPU waterblocks) thanks.
Q5. Are there monitors out there that would replace a 2/3 monitor setup? Maybe a resolution of 3840 X 1080 is good enough. If so which model and I assume both 780 and 780ti will support the monitor.
Thanks guys!!!!
I guess I will continue my questions then, didn't want to dump too many questions at once.
so Here goes.
Q1. Since you guys know so much can someone explain to me the REAL LIFE advantage of let's say a Normal 780 and a normal 780 Ti? I only play StarCraft and BF4 so that is all I care about in terms of performance gauges. The two cards are roughly 200 bucks apart. What am I getting from the Ti?
Q2. I am currently using a Asus 144 Hz monitor and I think it is really putting a large load on my 670 SLI setup. Does 144Hz take significantly more GPU power than 60Hz?
Q3. If I were to use multiple monitors (three max) is AMD a better choice?
Q4. If price is not really my top concern rather performance and value. With the equipment that I use (check signature) which make and card model should I get. keeping in mind that I have a full water cooling setup that I am not currently using (meaning I have everything except the GPU waterblocks) thanks.
Q5. Are there monitors out there that would replace a 2/3 monitor setup? Maybe a resolution of 3840 X 1080 is good enough. If so which model and I assume both 780 and 780ti will support the monitor.
Thanks guys!!!!
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bjkill
April 5, 2014 12:30:29 PM
"The Hz of your monitor only raises your overhead before you get screen tearing. It doesn't take more horsepower when you have a higher refresh rate on your monitor. The difference is that the 60 Hz monitor only displays 60 FPS max, while the 144 Hz monitor can display 144 FPS max."
Oh I am referring to my GPUs, they seem to run a lot slower when I choose 144 vs 60 refresh rate in NVidia panel. I also have 2 other monitors on when I do that. Is the difference in refresh rates make the system sluggish? I think it gets better when I only use that one monitor on 144. Thanks,
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dutche99
April 5, 2014 2:44:55 PM
bjkill said:
"The Hz of your monitor only raises your overhead before you get screen tearing. It doesn't take more horsepower when you have a higher refresh rate on your monitor. The difference is that the 60 Hz monitor only displays 60 FPS max, while the 144 Hz monitor can display 144 FPS max."
Oh I am referring to my GPUs, they seem to run a lot slower when I choose 144 vs 60 refresh rate in NVidia panel. I also have 2 other monitors on when I do that. Is the difference in refresh rates make the system sluggish? I think it gets better when I only use that one monitor on 144. Thanks,
Exactly how much slower are they running? How many cps does it lag the game? You should be able to run it at 120hz which would give you a nice spot in the middle... most displays run at 60, 120, 240, 600. I can't say I've every actually seen a 144hz display. I've seen 65 though
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17seconds said:
By the way, a pair of GTX 670's in SLI is about the same as a GTX 690.... i.e. about the same performance as a single GTX 780 Ti. I'm not sure why you want to swap out your current video cards for a single card that will offer no performance increase.Adding a second 780Ti in SLI comes to mind.
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cst1992 said:
17seconds said:
By the way, a pair of GTX 670's in SLI is about the same as a GTX 690.... i.e. about the same performance as a single GTX 780 Ti. I'm not sure why you want to swap out your current video cards for a single card that will offer no performance increase.Adding a second 780Ti in SLI comes to mind.
I guess, if your logic is to spend $1400 on a pair of video cards as the only way to boost your performance over what you currently have.
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bjkill
April 5, 2014 7:54:39 PM
A few factors I guess. Been planning on buying a case from caselab and make that THE CASE I use for gaming. With that I would like to go water cooling at least for the CPU and GPU. I am currently working off a Lian Li work bench with H110 CPU water cooler. I use to use hyper 550 for CPU fan and man does that H110 make the whole CPU cooling process silent. The fans doesn't even go on unless I start playing games, but when they do it is still pretty quiet. So back to the GPUs, I run company that sells kids clothing and my design and fit-out staff's been complaining about the speed of the computer when they use CAD and PS6 ( I downloaded a stress test for them on PS6, it took their computer 6-9 mins to complete it vs my 670 sli 23sec LOL, I felt bad and very guilty). Anyways, I need 6 design work stations, so I gave the PS6 users two of my 460's and am thinking of giving the 670's to 3D CAD users. Since everything is coming out of my pocket anyways, why not get the 780 water cool so I can upgrade. There are dedicated 3D rendering cards out that and they are not cheap so that is why the money is not the biggest issue because I can use the old cards and save money for my company.
So the short answer is I wanted to go water cooling with GPU's and buying a regular 780 and slapping an EK full water block is not cheap. 780ti for me is just for reference, there is no way I am going to pay 700 for a card. I mean that's why I kept on asking what the real life performance differences are their in 760, 770, 780 and 780 ti specifically in BF4 (I play SCII as well, but frame rate is not as important) Also one of the biggest reason I wanted to get the POSEIDON-GTX780 is because of the warranty even if I am running water cooling. Did that answer your questions? So what should I get ? You guys are the Gurus so please help me !!!!
So the short answer is I wanted to go water cooling with GPU's and buying a regular 780 and slapping an EK full water block is not cheap. 780ti for me is just for reference, there is no way I am going to pay 700 for a card. I mean that's why I kept on asking what the real life performance differences are their in 760, 770, 780 and 780 ti specifically in BF4 (I play SCII as well, but frame rate is not as important) Also one of the biggest reason I wanted to get the POSEIDON-GTX780 is because of the warranty even if I am running water cooling. Did that answer your questions? So what should I get ? You guys are the Gurus so please help me !!!!
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dutche99
April 6, 2014 8:59:14 AM
bjkill said:
A few factors I guess. Been planning on buying a case from caselab and make that THE CASE I use for gaming. With that I would like to go water cooling at least for the CPU and GPU. I am currently working off a Lian Li work bench with H110 CPU water cooler. I use to use hyper 550 for CPU fan and man does that H110 make the whole CPU cooling process silent. The fans doesn't even go on unless I start playing games, but when they do it is still pretty quiet. So back to the GPUs, I run company that sells kids clothing and my design and fit-out staff's been complaining about the speed of the computer when they use CAD and PS6 ( I downloaded a stress test for them on PS6, it took their computer 6-9 mins to complete it vs my 670 sli 23sec LOL, I felt bad and very guilty). Anyways, I need 6 design work stations, so I gave the PS6 users two of my 460's and am thinking of giving the 670's to 3D CAD users. Since everything is coming out of my pocket anyways, why not get the 780 water cool so I can upgrade. There are dedicated 3D rendering cards out that and they are not cheap so that is why the money is not the biggest issue because I can use the old cards and save money for my company.So the short answer is I wanted to go water cooling with GPU's and buying a regular 780 and slapping an EK full water block is not cheap. 780ti for me is just for reference, there is no way I am going to pay 700 for a card. I mean that's why I kept on asking what the real life performance differences are their in 760, 770, 780 and 780 ti specifically in BF4 (I play SCII as well, but frame rate is not as important) Also one of the biggest reason I wanted to get the POSEIDON-GTX780 is because of the warranty even if I am running water cooling. Did that answer your questions? So what should I get ? You guys are the Gurus so please help me !!!!
Well, if I am interpreting this correctly, it sounds like the gtx 780 is the card you really want. Even though the 780ti has more stream processors, both of these cards are so ridiculously fast that you won't hardly notice a difference between them. With water cooling though, you should be able to set up a pretty fast overclock for you gaming. So I would get the 780P. (It also looks pretty sick compared to the 780ti. Those red accents doe. Get a sick case with a big window and some red LED case fans and you are set!) Just to note as well, even though it is more expensive than the gtx 780ti, there is a nice AMD water cooled card from PowerColor. Its the r9 290x, and it isn't nearly as good as any card that could ever come from Asus. But anyways, get what you want, either way, you are going to be doing some pretty sick gaming in the future!
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