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First Time Builder...Decent Build? Lots of questions...

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April 5, 2014 1:05:33 PM

Hey guys,

So after going through this forum I have put together a build that I would like your opinion on...BTW I am looking to spend about 1600, ill figure out a monitor solution at a later point but could use some tips as youll see below.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bUkN
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bUkN/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bUkN/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($489.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($121.83 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($142.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1566.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-05 15:56 EDT-0400)


Does this seem like a build where I can do a lot of gaming with almost maxed out graphics? I am used to buying pcs from places like Dell and Alienware but am so not impressed with them. I have never built one before but I figure i might as well learn now.

I do have some questions i hope someone can help guide me with...

1.) Assuming this is a good build, I have thought about adding two 27 inch monitors. So my question is, by adding a second monitor, that lets say is two 2560x1400 as opposed to two 1080, would I need to add another GeForce GTX 780 to prevent some kind of slowing or inability to get the best resolution?

2.) So Lets say I do get another GeForce GTX 780, is this the time that i consider watercooling? I have no intentions on overclocking (which is what i read is the most common reason youll want to water cool) but was hoping to not get into water cooling because id be too worried Id mess it up somehow.

3.) WIth what i said above, would the power supply i chose be enough?? Or i guess if not, is the case even big enough to hold al that stuff in?


Again any kind of help or advice, I would extremely appreciate as I am somewhat intimidated to build one.

Thank you for your time.

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April 5, 2014 1:16:55 PM

That is a great build although i would get ssd that hdd is pretty slow im not sure about your first question but with two moniters you may want to consider 4gb vram. You wont need water-cooling just good airflow in the case. and you dont need anything close to that much watts for a psu 550watts would probably be more than enough for that if you want to use duel gpu's then 750watts would be enough.
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April 5, 2014 1:18:01 PM

No, you do not need water cooling at all. Two 780s will be perfectly fine.

If you are playing on 3 monitors at more than 1080p, to get more than medium settings in games you will need two 780s for sure.

A single 780 will be plenty for maxed out graphics on a single monitor though.

850w is more than enough for 780SLI.

The case is plenty big.
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April 5, 2014 1:18:38 PM

Sorry missed this question but yah that should max anything you play as is.
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April 5, 2014 1:20:31 PM

Dunlop0078 said:
Sorry missed this question but yah that should max anything you play as is.


Only on a single monitor.

Also, OP, you can't play on 2 monitors, you need 3. Odd numbers only.
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April 5, 2014 1:47:42 PM

Hey guys, thank you for such a fast response!

I had no idea that you needed 3 monitors lol. I guess that makes sense now that I think about it.

Thanks again!

tiny voices said:
Dunlop0078 said:
Sorry missed this question but yah that should max anything you play as is.


Only on a single monitor.

Also, OP, you can't play on 2 monitors, you need 3. Odd numbers only.


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April 5, 2014 2:06:48 PM

I am no gaming expert but I think you might want to consider Win 7 64 bit instead of Win 8. Most of the folks I talked to said that there are many games out there that won't run under Win 8. Maybe some gamers can offer some better advice on this.

Also, I am in the process of building my first system. I noticed you got a mid tower case. I bought a full tower case and still had to take out a hard drive cage in order for my Geforce GTX 760 video card to fit. Better make sure yours will fit or you can make room:) )

Good luck

Zeek
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April 5, 2014 2:09:43 PM

No, win 8.1 is what you want. It is faster than win7 for basically everything and has MUCH better support.

There are basically no games at all that don't run on win8.

DO NOT buy a full tower. A mid tower is more than enough space for any build. full towers are for water cooling. What case and GPU do you have that you had to remove the HDD bay?
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April 5, 2014 2:39:34 PM

tiny voices said:

DO NOT buy a full tower. A mid tower is more than enough space for any build. full towers are for water cooling. What case and GPU do you have that you had to remove the HDD bay?


Tiny Voices - I have the Geforce GTX 760 card and a Cooler Master Cosmos SE Full Tower case. Yes, I have the option for water cooling, but have no desire to install it. I went the full tower route for a few reasons:

1. Comes with 4 fans
2. Cable management is super easy with this case
3. It is wide open, easy to work with and has great air flow
4. I can put 8 hard drives in there
5. Comes with top, bottom and side filters that are easy to get to and clean

And the list goes on:) ) Oh, and I got a pretty good deal on it too, about $100. It came with a $30 rebate.
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April 5, 2014 2:45:24 PM

I would have a mid- tower over a full tower anyday. They are just too big and loud. I don't need a case as tall as my desk. As I said, they are really designed for water cooling, and showing off. Even overclocked builds with 2 GPUs are perfectly at home in a mid- tower. Hell, I used to have have an SLI overclocked build in an mATX case.

What gtx760 do you have?
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April 5, 2014 2:50:14 PM

Its a good build.
Personally i would drop it down to a 750watt psu (f.eks Corsair RM750) this is more than enough for a 2-way SLI with 780's, go with a black disk instead of blue for the storage drive, and go with a pre-fillt watercooling for the cpu (with the H440 that would be a Kraken X60) to allow some decent overclocking.

Beucase getting a motherboard and cpu like that and not overclock it is pure waste of pre massive performance. :) 
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April 5, 2014 2:53:01 PM

I would not use the RM series from Corsair. They are made with the cheap capacitors from the CX series and I have seen them fail already.

Stick with XFX, Antec, Seasonic, Corsair (HX, AX, TX)

also I would not get a closed loop cooler. The same performance can be had with an air cooler for WAY less money and MUCH less noise.
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April 5, 2014 4:09:08 PM

tiny voices said:
I would not use the RM series from Corsair. They are made with the cheap capacitors from the CX series and I have seen them fail already.

Stick with XFX, Antec, Seasonic, Corsair (HX, AX, TX)

also I would not get a closed loop cooler. The same performance can be had with an air cooler for WAY less money and MUCH less noise.


I have "NZXT Havik 140", "Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo", NZXT Kraken X60" and "Corsair H100i" lying around, and have tested all of them on the same system using "Notcua NT-H1" paste. And none of the air coolers performed anywhere near the H100i or the X60, where the X60 came out on top as the best cooler.

The 212 evo could barely handle a 4.4 overclock on the FX 8350, where the X60 managed a 4.8 (stock is 4.0) which is pretty much the max clock you can get out of that cpu while being stable.

So saying they perform similare, would be misleading to say the least. But yeah, the 212 evo is alot more price friendly and gives alot of bang for the buck.

For the RM series then i guess we have very different experience with them, as i have used them in about 6 or 7 different builds before and never hand any issues with them. So i assume that your bad impression of them might be more of a factory defect, rather than a bad quality psu. Corsair delivers them with a 5 year warrenty, meaning they are expecting them to live longer than that. But ofc this isn't the first time i'v heard talk about the "bad quality capacitors" you mentioned, even tho i belive it to be more trash talk and rumors, rather than hard facts.
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April 5, 2014 5:33:18 PM

tiny voices said:
I would have a mid- tower over a full tower anyday. They are just too big and loud. I don't need a case as tall as my desk. As I said, they are really designed for water cooling, and showing off. Even overclocked builds with 2 GPUs are perfectly at home in a mid- tower. Hell, I used to have have an SLI overclocked build in an mATX case.

What gtx760 do you have?


Actually they aren't that big..about 22 inches high I think. My mid tower is 14. I always put mine beside my desk instead of in that built in thing so the size doesn't matter to me.

I've got the Nvidia Geforce GTX 760. It is the OC version (OC Guru II), 2048MB GDDR5. While I don't plan on doing any over clocking, I do have that capability if I change my mind.

Zeek
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April 6, 2014 12:06:50 PM

You cannot compare a 212 EVO to an h100i....come on man. Get a Noctua NH-D14, then compare it. It will perform within 1-3 degrees and make WAY less noise and cost less. Also, no the RM series is not a factory defect, they are 100% in fact made with the junk capacitors from the CX units. It is a well known fact.

Zeek, Your GPU should fit easily in the case. The ONLY gtx760 that doesn't fit in that case is the Gigabyte Windforce model.
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April 7, 2014 12:09:42 PM

tiny voices said:
You cannot compare a 212 EVO to an h100i....come on man. Get a Noctua NH-D14, then compare it. It will perform within 1-3 degrees and make WAY less noise and cost less. Also, no the RM series is not a factory defect, they are 100% in fact made with the junk capacitors from the CX units. It is a well known fact.

Zeek, Your GPU should fit easily in the case. The ONLY gtx760 that doesn't fit in that case is the Gigabyte Windforce model.


Ha, and that is the one I have. I didn't know that the Windforce was a model. I just thought it had something to do with the fans since that is where Windforce is printed on:) )
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April 7, 2014 12:31:28 PM

Your gtx760 is the Gigabyte Windoforce. That's what I was asking for.
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