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April 5, 2014 11:04:25 PM

hello everyone . i will try my best since my english are bad.I've been thinking about building my own PC for a while now and have finally put together what I think is a good list of parts. i will ask alot of questions probably ( sorry )All the parts are from greek site since i live in greece
the problem here is i don't know if the parts are compatible. so let's start
Case: COOLERMASTER K380 BLACK http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.807670 OR
AEROCOOL V3X ADVANCE MIDI TOWER EVIL BLACK EDITION http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.810868 ( mobo problem maybe?does it fit? i know its small ) i don't care if its beautiful or not.it will be 'sandwiched' for sure but all i want is to fit.
Power Supply: INTER-TECH SL-500W 500W PSU http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.640667
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHZ 6-CORE http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.559644
Mobo: (i have a problem here): is these mobos compatible with my cpu and graphics card?i have alot of options.what's better? also, if you're interested, the cheapest price tag possible on this
MSI 760GA-P43 (FX) RETAIL http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.523801
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.522975
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 RETAIL http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.523159
MSI 760GMA-P34 (FX) RETAIL http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.523802
Video Card: GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX660 GV-N660OC-2GD 2GB DDR5 PCI-E RETAIL http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.516476
Memory:another question (i am confused) how many Mhz i will need for my amd cpu and gigabyte gtx 660.1600/1866?i think something like these but i am not sure if i'll buy these.all i want to know is 1600/1866 etc
CRUCIAL BLS2C4G3D169DS3CEU 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600MHZ BALLISTIX SPORT XT DUAL CHANNEL KIT (1600MHZ) http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.554349&sid=1 or
KINGSTON KHX1866C9D3/4G 4GB DDR3 1866MHZ HYPERX 1866 (Mhz) http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.550479

storage: SEAGATE ST1000DM003 1TB BARRACUDA 7200.14 SATA3 http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.301911
Keyboard: NATEC NKL-0262 GENESIS R11 USB GAMING KEYBOARD http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.571759
DVD: SAMSUNG DVD-RW SH-224DB/BEBE SATA BLACK BULK http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.321046
wireless PCI Express adapter: is it compatible?? EDIMAX EW-7612PIN WIRELESS PCI-EXRESS DRAFT N 300MBPS http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.616710
Monitor: AOC E2070SWN 19.5'' LED MONITOR BLACK http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.168456


my graphics card says pci-express 3.0 but the above motherboards don't have pci-3 i think. is it ok? can i connect it to the motherboard? someone said pci 3.0 cards will run slower in a pci 2.0 amd mb.--->how much?is it bad?

WINDOWS: i will buy windows 7 from a shop.
I don't want speakers i have headset nor mouse

+ how many fps will i get on cs:go (without shadow etc) dayz mod (not SA) battlefield 3 on high settings and probably arma 3 on high (without shadow vsync etc)

thank you for reading the whole thing and for your time.
thanks again in advance :) 

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April 6, 2014 5:04:39 PM

There will be no performance difference between PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0 UNLESS you will use more than one GFX card in SLI/Crossfire. If so, make sure you get a good motherboard that is crossfire/sli ready. And is able to run PCIe in 8/8 lanes.

I'm not a monitor expert. But I have been comparing prices and 20" and 24" are priced almost the same. So I will be buying a Benq 24" 2450.

PSU quailty is important. Especially when overclocking. Make sure you pick a good model.

For the case, look at the product details. It will say if it supports ATX, micro-ATX(mATX) motherboards. You should buy a regular ATX motherboard for the FX-6300 since those motherboards will perform better with overclocking.

I don't know so much about what motherboards for AMD cpu's are good. But I think you shouldn't be too cheap with the motherboard since it will have some importance from performance gain from overclocking. I think I remember someone recommending the ASUS M5A97 R2.0.

I will be buying the same Seagate HDD shortly. There is a possibility that the HDD will stop working, I'm buying the Seagate HDD because I can buy it from a local store, and I think if I need to RMA it I can return it to this local store, so without shipping cost. For WD harddrives I think I would have to ship it overseas to have it RMA'd, at my own expense.

I bought the exact same RAM as you picked (Crucial Ball.). Haven't put the PC together yet so no chance to test it.
But the other RAM you pciked, Kingston, it's also a good brand. But the link you gave is to only a 4GB stick.
It's important to buy RAM in kits of 2x4GB. To ensure maximum compatibility between the sticks. Using different sticks could cause problems. This is why most RAM is sold in such kits of 2xN. It's better to buy a 2x4GB kit, then to buy a 1x8GB stick. Because two sticks run in dual mode, which is faster than single mode.

For FX-6300, you could perhaps use faster RAM, if you could find some cheap Kingston Hyper X 1866Mhz CL9 2x4GB that would be a good pick. I'm not sure of the impcat of RAM speed on performance when overclocking. I bought an Intel i3 CPU, i just picked the cheapest 1600mhz cl9 RAM from a good manufacturer (Crucial).

Regarding cases: remember that you will need to buy some fans to cool you system. Some slightly more expensive cases come with more fans than cheaper ones. Although fans are very cheap. The more expensive cases could also have other benefits.

I bought an AMD 270x. You have picked the Nvidia GTX 660. I picked the AMD card partly because of AMD's Mantle. And the price was only slightly more than the GTX 660. I'm not sure exactly what the performance difference between them are.
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April 6, 2014 5:07:36 PM

Ram speed will not matter. Just get 1600mhz. 2x4gb.

Your PSU is trash. Stick with Antec, XFX, Seasonic, Corsair (not CX, CS, RM) only.



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April 6, 2014 6:38:38 PM

B_S said:
There will be no performance difference between PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0 UNLESS you will use more than one GFX card in SLI/Crossfire. If so, make sure you get a good motherboard that is crossfire/sli ready. And is able to run PCIe in 8/8 lanes.

I'm not a monitor expert. But I have been comparing prices and 20" and 24" are priced almost the same. So I will be buying a Benq 24" 2450.

PSU quailty is important. Especially when overclocking. Make sure you pick a good model.

For the case, look at the product details. It will say if it supports ATX, micro-ATX(mATX) motherboards. You should buy a regular ATX motherboard for the FX-6300 since those motherboards will perform better with overclocking.

I don't know so much about what motherboards for AMD cpu's are good. But I think you shouldn't be too cheap with the motherboard since it will have some importance from performance gain from overclocking. I think I remember someone recommending the ASUS M5A97 R2.0.

I will be buying the same Seagate HDD shortly. There is a possibility that the HDD will stop working, I'm buying the Seagate HDD because I can buy it from a local store, and I think if I need to RMA it I can return it to this local store, so without shipping cost. For WD harddrives I think I would have to ship it overseas to have it RMA'd, at my own expense.

I bought the exact same RAM as you picked (Crucial Ball.). Haven't put the PC together yet so no chance to test it.
But the other RAM you pciked, Kingston, it's also a good brand. But the link you gave is to only a 4GB stick.
It's important to buy RAM in kits of 2x4GB. To ensure maximum compatibility between the sticks. Using different sticks could cause problems. This is why most RAM is sold in such kits of 2xN. It's better to buy a 2x4GB kit, then to buy a 1x8GB stick. Because two sticks run in dual mode, which is faster than single mode.

For FX-6300, you could perhaps use faster RAM, if you could find some cheap Kingston Hyper X 1866Mhz CL9 2x4GB that would be a good pick. I'm not sure of the impcat of RAM speed on performance when overclocking. I bought an Intel i3 CPU, i just picked the cheapest 1600mhz cl9 RAM from a good manufacturer (Crucial).

Regarding cases: remember that you will need to buy some fans to cool you system. Some slightly more expensive cases come with more fans than cheaper ones. Although fans are very cheap. The more expensive cases could also have other benefits.

I bought an AMD 270x. You have picked the Nvidia GTX 660. I picked the AMD card partly because of AMD's Mantle. And the price was only slightly more than the GTX 660. I'm not sure exactly what the performance difference between them are.


Hello B__S and thx for your answer.for the case i found this http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.804555. it says Compatible motherboards: ATX.but it has doors in front: 2x USB 2.0. usb 2.0 headsets does it fit with usb 3.0?
i will buy the the ASUS M5A97 R2.0. motherboard
PSU how many watt i'll need? what about this CORSAIR VS SERIES VS550 - 550W POWER SUPPLY
http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.641160 ( because i want to save some money )
for the hdd then i'll buy the WESTERN DIGITAL WD5000LPVX BLUE 500GB 2.5'' SATA3
http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.303047 because i don't have movies pics etc on my pc,its almost empty( only documents for my university around 100-200 mb).i am good with 500 gb.
RAM: I will buy 2 KINGSTON KHX1866C9D3/4G 4GB DDR3 1866MHZ HYPERX
http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.550479
i will buy some fans of course :) 
+ almost all the parts have 3 years warranty and the ram is lifetime :bounce: 
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April 6, 2014 7:00:01 PM

The PSU is NEVER the place to save money. It is 1000% the most important part of the computer. NEVER cheap out on it.

That Corsair is decent. Not awesome, but it will do.

You do not 1866 RAM. It will make no difference over 1600mhz RAM. Plus that RAM is 1.65v and you want 1.5v for maximum stability.
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April 6, 2014 8:17:00 PM

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The PSU is NEVER the place to save money. It is 1000% the most important part of the computer. NEVER cheap out on it.

That Corsair is decent. Not awesome, but it will do.

You do not 1866 RAM. It will make no difference over 1600mhz RAM. Plus that RAM is 1.65v and you want 1.5v for maximum stability.

ok thx.'ll go with 1600 mhz.

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April 7, 2014 6:36:56 AM

8GB of RAM is usually recommended for gaming. When buying 8GB RAM make sure it says "2x4GB" in the description.

Case: No the internal USB 3.0 pin connector on the motherboard is NOT compatible with the front USB 2.0 connector in the case. USB 3.0 uses 19 or 20 pins ( i think), and USB 2.0 uses 4+4(+1)=9pins. You will need an adapter to connect motherboard USB 3.0 to case USB 2.0. Perhaps you will have to buy this adapter separately, or perhaps the case comes with this adapter, it varies from case to case.
- edited since this was wrong. See below post.

Case: If your case has USB 2.0 in the front then speed of the connection will be USB 2.0, even if your motherboard has internal/front USB 3.0.But that might not be such a big deal. There will be USB 3.0 ports on the backside of the motherboard that you connect to on the backside of the case.


I think this is true: About warranty: Remember that in the RMA process YOU pay for the shipping TO the service place. In some cases that service place is in another country. So even if the warranty claim is accepted, getting a replacement product is not free of charge. In some cases you can return the product to a local store.

Also consider adding a SSD to your build. It will make windows/program load times much quicker, and will make the system more responsive.
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April 7, 2014 8:00:42 AM

B_S, any motherboard with USB3 will have headers for USB2. He will not need any adapters, he will simply just not use the USB3 header.

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April 7, 2014 8:32:31 AM

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B_S, any motherboard with USB3 will have headers for USB2. He will not need any adapters, he will simply just not use the USB3 header.



You're right! Edited post.
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April 7, 2014 8:39:40 AM

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B_S, any motherboard with USB3 will have headers for USB2. He will not need any adapters, he will simply just not use the USB3 header.



i thought my headsets was usb 3.0. i took some pics from headsets and my laptop.my problem was if i was able to connect it into the case. take a look pls.i think its usb 2.0
http://imgur.com/a/Y4y6V
if its usb 2.0 i can connect my headsets into my case
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April 7, 2014 8:43:35 AM

The outside/external USB PORT for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 is the same. It's the same plug. So you can connect headset that has USB 3 into a USB 2 port. Or you can plug in a headsset with USB 2 into a USB 3 port. In both cases the speed will be USB 2.0

So your headset will work.
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April 7, 2014 8:54:34 AM

B_S said:
The outside/external USB PORT for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 is the same. It's the same plug. So you can connect headset that has USB 3 into a USB 2 port. Or you can plug in a headsset with USB 2 into a USB 3 port. In both cases the speed will be USB 2.0

So your headset will work.


ok thank you both of you so much for your time.it means alot.solution found.take care guys :bounce:  :) 
UPDATE
i was looking in the site and i found this graphics card
POWERCOLOR RADEON HD7870 OC (V2) 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E RETAIL
http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.515779
now its cheaper it was 189 and now is 164.it looks better
Memory Interface: 256bit.
Minimum power: 500W.i have 550 w . is it good for all my parts? probably i'll take this
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April 7, 2014 11:51:54 AM

tiny voices said:
B_S, any motherboard with USB3 will have headers for USB2. He will not need any adapters, he will simply just not use the USB3 header.


UPDATE
i was looking in the site and i found this graphics card
POWERCOLOR RADEON HD7870 OC (V2) 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E RETAIL
http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.515779
now its cheaper it was 189 and now is 164.it looks better
Memory Interface: 256bit.
Minimum power: 500W.i have 550 w . is it good for all my parts? probably i'll take this
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April 7, 2014 12:29:12 PM

The HD7870 is the same as the 270x model. I just bought a 270x with a 550W PSU. Haven't had a time to test it yet. But I hope it will work.

Remember I am not an expert. But I will say, YES it will work.

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April 7, 2014 12:30:39 PM

550w is more than enough for a 7870. The 270x is about 10% more powerful than a 7870.
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April 7, 2014 12:41:20 PM

Yes The 7870 should draw around 250 w 150w at the most (130w gaming, 150w bitcoin mining). I'm not sure if that includes the whole system or just the GPU. Adding say 100-150w for CPU that would be 400W 300W at the most. That PSU has 500W on the 12V rail. So it will work.

Given that 270x is 10% faster, and on that site the 270x was about 200euro, while the 7870 was 190euro. Then perhaps the 270x could be a slightly better option than the 7870.
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April 7, 2014 12:48:36 PM

It won't even draw close to 250w full load. You can run a 7870 on 450w easily. I did for quite some time. It's a 150w card at MAX fully overclocked bitmining.

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April 7, 2014 12:49:15 PM

B_S said:
Yes The 7870 should draw around 250 w at the most (200w gaming, 250w bitcoin mining). I'm not sure if that includes the whole system or just the GPU. Adding say 100-150w for CPU that would be 400W at the most. That PSU has 500W on the 12V rail. So it will work.

Given that 270x is 10% faster, and on that site the 270x was about 200euro, while the 7870 was 190euro. Then perhaps the 270x could be a slightly better option than the 7870.


in your opinion for the last time : gigabyte gtx 660 or RADEON HD7870?
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April 7, 2014 12:51:05 PM

The 7870 is more powerful. Get it for sue.

Also refer to my post for the correct power consumption numbers.
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April 7, 2014 12:55:49 PM

tiny voices said:
It won't even draw close to 250w full load. You can run a 7870 on 450w easily. I did for quite some time. It's a 150w card at MAX fully overclocked bitmining.



You're right! Thanks

I referenced this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-280x-r9-2...
but I was looking at the wrong card, I was looking at the 280x. The 270x only draws max 150w as you said.

Is that chart for only the GPU or whole system?
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April 7, 2014 12:58:26 PM

tiny voices said:
The 7870 is more powerful. Get it for sue.

Also refer to my post for the correct power consumption numbers.


i'll go with 550 watt. i saw some videos and i don't know why but the gtx 660 had more fps with fx6300.
in the site the 7870 has 2 years warranty and the gtx 660 has 3 :/ 
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April 7, 2014 1:00:33 PM

Those numbers are subjective GPU measurements meaning they are a very closely calculated GPU power consumption value which can be sometimes overestimated by 1-5%. So in the gaming benchmark there, if the 7870 pulled 128w, you can expect your 7870 in your own system never to pull any more than that.
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April 7, 2014 1:01:54 PM

Mouno said:
tiny voices said:
The 7870 is more powerful. Get it for sue.

Also refer to my post for the correct power consumption numbers.


i'll go with 550 watt. i saw some videos and i don't know why but the gtx 660 had more fps with fx6300.
in the site the 7870 has 2 years warranty and the gtx 660 has 3 :/ 


It all depends on the game you play. Generally speaking, the 7870 is going to beat a 660 across the board. These are mid range cards, so even if the warranty is only 2 years, you will be looking to replace it by then anyway.
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April 7, 2014 1:12:10 PM

tiny voices said:
Mouno said:
tiny voices said:
The 7870 is more powerful. Get it for sue.

Also refer to my post for the correct power consumption numbers.


i'll go with 550 watt. i saw some videos and i don't know why but the gtx 660 had more fps with fx6300.
in the site the 7870 has 2 years warranty and the gtx 660 has 3 :/ 


It all depends on the game you play. Generally speaking, the 7870 is going to beat a 660 across the board. These are mid range cards, so even if the warranty is only 2 years, you will be looking to replace it by then anyway.


ok. i don't know if you opened the link for the 7870 http://www.e-shop.gr/product?id=PER.515779
but whats the difference from this http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/03/amd-r...

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April 7, 2014 1:13:19 PM

They are just different versions of the same card. They will perform the same.
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April 7, 2014 1:17:54 PM

tiny voices said:
They are just different versions of the same card. They will perform the same.


hmm interesting.thx
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April 7, 2014 1:20:29 PM

Generally all different models of the same card perform the same.
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April 8, 2014 12:48:38 PM

tiny voices said:
Stick with Antec, XFX, Seasonic, Corsair (not CX, CS, RM) only.


Ok if I quote you one this when recommending PSU to other people?
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April 8, 2014 1:04:18 PM

Yes of course. Those are the universal GO-TO brands. No problem.
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