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Is 30fps good for Crysis 3?

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April 6, 2014 12:48:10 AM

I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?

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April 6, 2014 12:55:16 AM

Death Prodigy said:
I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?

It's all personal preference. And how are you getting bellow 30 on L4D, with 2 overclocked 780 Ti's? You should be smashing it, even at 4K
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April 6, 2014 1:26:20 AM

No, my current setup is on a GT620!
I'm talking about upgrading my setup with 2 GTX 780 Tis.
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April 6, 2014 1:44:19 AM

Death Prodigy said:
No, my current setup is on a GT620!
I'm talking about upgrading my setup with 2 GTX 780 Tis.

You'll need heaps of other components. Like a huge cpu, and a big PSU and quite alot of RAM. Or you'll have the worst bottleneck ever. You are probably aware of this, but being careful.

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April 6, 2014 1:59:07 AM

Yep - you really need to detail what you've got and what you want to change to.
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April 6, 2014 4:30:22 AM

Yeah, OK. I'll be getting an i7 4930k overclocked to 5.2GHz, 16GB RAM and an EVGA Supernova 1300W G2 Gold Rated Power Supply
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April 6, 2014 4:43:42 AM

Mr/Mrs moneybags over here. That's some hefty overclocking! I am not the most experienced overclocker, but are you sure you can keep that stable?
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April 6, 2014 5:35:37 AM

I hope he's kidding. There's no mention of water cooling or any cooling for that matter. Have you done a Partpicker list? We'd be interested in seeing it.
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April 6, 2014 8:50:22 AM

Yeah, I'll be using a 360mm + 240mm rad liquid cooling system. Again, this brings me back to the original question. Is 30fps a massive difference, from say 45fps scaling to 3x GTX 780 Tis? FYI I'll be using a 60Hz 4K monitor, if that helps, I think you shouldn't be able to see much difference between higher framerates on 60Hz, but is it possible to see difference between lower framerates? Like, there's not much difference between 70fps,90 fps and 100fps on 60Hz is there?
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April 6, 2014 3:13:06 PM

At lower fps any variation is quite noticeable. You might need to look at a 3rd 780Ti for 4K.

I think 4K is a bit too expensive at the moment. And it's certainly only any good on a large monitor (30 inch plus). Otherwise, I'd stick to 1080p where just one 780Ti would be more than enough.

Can you put up your complete parts list? With costs. It'll be interesting to see how much in total you plan to spend. Have you bought any of it yet?
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April 6, 2014 7:09:56 PM

I have a build plan... Not sure which manufacturer to go for yet. Undecided. CyberPowerPC, Origin PC, Digital Storm, Xotic PC.... Also, won't water-cooling + overclocking GPU allow for the same performance boost as another 780 Ti?
I really don't want to use up my budget...
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April 6, 2014 7:16:08 PM

Death Prodigy said:
Yeah, OK. I'll be getting an i7 4930k overclocked to 5.2GHz, 16GB RAM and an EVGA Supernova 1300W G2 Gold Rated Power Supply


That's rather inefficient. At most you'd need an 850w gold rated PSU for that with 2x 780 TI.
Also, the performance increase from an i7-4770K to an i7-4930K is really not worth it for the price.
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April 6, 2014 7:24:15 PM

Well let's see (this is just reference, not final build)
System Configuration:
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 4930K 3.4GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1866MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 1000W SliverStone Strider Gold (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (ST1000-G)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Storage Set 1: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition)
Storage Set 2: - No Thanks
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB (Includes PhysX)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux Level 3: Digital Storm Exotic Custom Cooling System (2x Video Cards + CPU + Chipset)
H20 Tube Color: Green Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Fans: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue) (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled LED Lighting System (Multiple color options and lighting effects)
Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software (Backordered ETA Mid-April)
Chassis Mods: Hailstorm II: Bottom Baseplate Mod (Cleaner Wiring Look & DS Logo Branding)
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires High-End Motherboard Selection)
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Portable Gaming: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
Price: $5800
AND don't forget, I still need to add Dell UP2414Q to my order which would add another $1299, bringing total price to $7000 which is outside my budget. You see, I need to cut down on the cost in order to fit my budget, meaning it's impossible to watercool all 2 780 Tis cheaply.
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April 6, 2014 7:25:58 PM

C'mon, even though i7 4770k is not much of a downgrade from i7 4930k, I'd need the LGA2011 chipset to make full use of those graphics cards.
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April 6, 2014 7:29:26 PM

*Shrug*
This is what I would go for. Feel free to ignore.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z87 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital VelociRaptor 1TB 3.5" 10000RPM Internal Hard Drive ($199.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($709.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($709.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill THRONE-Window ATX Full Tower Case ($164.38 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($499.55 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($81.98 @ Best Buy)
Total: $3647.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-06 22:27 EDT-0400)
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April 6, 2014 7:33:50 PM

Um... That's a DIY part-picker site. I don't know how to build a PC so I'm going with a boutique manufacturer and they tend to charge a lot more. Plus, I want that 4K monitor.
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April 6, 2014 7:37:23 PM

Death Prodigy said:
Um... That's a DIY part-picker site. I don't know how to build a PC so I'm going with a boutique manufacturer and they tend to charge a lot more. Plus, I want that 4K monitor.


4K is not a reasonable technology yet. All the panels of 4K monitors are crappy and gimped to make them work at that resolution without costing $7000.
You'd be much better off at 1440p.
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April 6, 2014 7:39:40 PM

There is literally no difference from 70 fps to 900 fps on a 60hz monitor, because a 60hz monitor is only capable of displaying up to 60 fps.

On a 60hz monitor, the difference from 30 to 45 fps is exactly the same as it is on a 120hz monitor, or 144hz monitor.
The refresh rate does absolutely nothing to the framerate, other than limit it.
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April 6, 2014 7:45:51 PM

I'm not buying a crappy TN panel, I'm buying a high-quality UltraSharp 99% sRGB IPS panel at 4K for only $1299 FYI
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April 6, 2014 8:21:37 PM

Death Prodigy said:
I'm not buying a crappy TN panel, I'm buying a high-quality UltraSharp 99% sRGB IPS panel at 4K for only $1299 FYI

For someone with such a crappy system currently, you have some strong opinions.

Quality TN panels are great for gaming. They don't make the best desktop/professional monitors, but for what they are made for, they are good (low response times to remove motion blur and lightboost/strobing/G-sync options to further reduce motion blur).

Now, I have a question about that UltraSharp. Does it have a displayport connection? Dell has been selling their more affordable 4k monitors with a refresh rate of 30hz. Make sure that is at least a 60hz monitor.

It's a choice, but from those who have both quality Dell IPS screens and quality TN screens, many of not most prefer to game on their quality TN panels. 4k may change that opinion a bit, as high refresh rate is not an option at that resolution.

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April 6, 2014 8:26:10 PM

Rationale said:
There is literally no difference from 70 fps to 900 fps on a 60hz monitor, because a 60hz monitor is only capable of displaying up to 60 fps.

On a 60hz monitor, the difference from 30 to 45 fps is exactly the same as it is on a 120hz monitor, or 144hz monitor.
The refresh rate does absolutely nothing to the framerate, other than limit it.


That's not quite true on either account.

On a 60hz monitor, when your FPS go well beyond the refresh rate, you get more up to day partial images, which also result in tearing. The last part of the screen to be updated is newer than what you'd have with lower FPS, and when the next refresh starts, the top part of the screen is that more recent image as well. Of course tearing can be annoying to see as well, but there is a difference.

And having a higher refresh rate, with low FPS, helps in 2 ways:
1) With V-sync, you have more frame time options, meaning that V-sync will not have to make you wait as long to show the image when it is force to wait for a new refresh before it shows it.
2) Without V-sync, the refreshes remove tears sooner than at a lower refresh rate. The tear is there when a new frame is updated, but not on refreshes that happen between frame updates.
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April 6, 2014 8:37:12 PM

Death Prodigy said:
I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?


You might run out VRAM with 4k, I suggest 2x Titan blacks or a Titan Z.
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April 6, 2014 8:39:35 PM

You're really overkilling it on a lot of stuff such as the CPU which has been stated many times (which saves you at least $200). I would just wait for the 800 series with 20 nm architecture to come out which should help performance tremendously. As for 4K displays, you're truly throwing your money in a ditch. The technology is too new to invest so much money in it. Also I'm sure a $500 difference won't kill you since you'll be spending $6500 regardless.
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April 6, 2014 8:48:16 PM

mr91 said:
Death Prodigy said:
I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?


You might run out VRAM with 4k, I suggest 2x Titan blacks or a Titan Z.


While not out quite yet, 6gb versions of the 780 and 780ti are coming as announced by EVGA, Palit and others.
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April 6, 2014 8:52:23 PM

$6500 to play Crysis at 30fps.

1) what info do you have to show it'll be that slow?

2) I think 60fps on a 1140 monitor or 3 x 1050 monitors would be better than 30fps at 4k.

Crysis is not demanding on the CPU, so it's a bit of an overkill.

How about you try playing a game at 30fps and see if it suits you, either by setting V-sync to every other fame (ie 30fps) or increase settings until a game hits 30fps. That would make more sense than asking other people to guess whether you'd would be bothered by 30fps.
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April 6, 2014 9:10:40 PM

Well, this is merely a setup for now, not meant to future proof or anything. I'd go with 2560x1440, but apparently there's a lot of difference in image quality between that and 4K
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April 6, 2014 9:22:53 PM

Death Prodigy said:
Well, this is merely a setup for now, not meant to future proof or anything. I'd go with 2560x1440, but apparently there's a lot of difference in image quality between that and 4K



I have a single gtx 780 ti for my 1440p monitor and games like Titanfall, Call of duty ghosts, Bf4 use most of my VRAM.

Many games will exceed 3 gb of Ram @ 4K, especially if you use anti aliasing.
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April 7, 2014 12:45:43 AM

Well... Then I have another question
Is 2560x1440 with 8x MSAA equivalent to 4K?
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April 7, 2014 12:51:28 AM

No aa is like fake resolution but not that much.
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April 7, 2014 12:55:18 AM

Thing I was wondering is, most people play games to be immersed in it, and often times, won't bother to nitpick framerate or jagged edges or abit of blur during battles.
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April 7, 2014 12:56:02 AM

Is 2560x1440 that much different in image quality from 4K?
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April 7, 2014 1:13:18 AM

Its about twice the pixels actually a little more
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April 7, 2014 2:35:39 AM

Death Prodigy said:
Is 2560x1440 that much different in image quality from 4K?


I play Crysis 3 on ultra using smaa on my Samsung 1440 PLS factory calibrated 970d and it looks great, I don't turn on MSAA because it reduces my fps and and gaming experience.

I've never played Crysis 3 on a 4k monitor however if you decide to buy a 4k panel make sure you get the high end Asus panel and get it calibrated. "Stay away from the lower priced TN panels"

I personally don't like the way Crysis 3 plays @ 30 fps that's why I don't enable MSAA, with smaa the game play is more fluid and on ultra settings with a calibrated pls monitor the game looks phenomenal.

If you decide to get a high end 4k monitor I suggest you get a couple Titan Z's when they come out or get 3 Titan blacks if you need the system right away.
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April 7, 2014 2:38:31 AM

4k Does look better in general however you need a lot more graphics horsepower.
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April 7, 2014 2:42:01 AM

mr91 said:
Death Prodigy said:
Is 2560x1440 that much different in image quality from 4K?


I play Crysis 3 on ultra using smaa on my Samsung 1440 PLS factory calibrated 970d and it looks great, I don't turn on MSAA because it reduces my fps and and gaming experience.

I've never played Crysis 3 on a 4k monitor however if you decide to buy a 4k panel make sure you get the high end Asus panel and get it calibrated. "Stay away from the lower priced TN panels"

I personally don't like the way Crysis 3 plays @ 30 fps that's why I don't enable MSAA, with smaa the game play is more fluid and on ultra settings with a calibrated pls monitor the game looks phenomenal.

If you decide to get a high end 4k monitor I suggest you get a couple Titan Z's when they come out or get 3 Titan blacks if you need the system right away.


MSAA is mostly frosting over 1080p anyway. At 1440p pixel walk is mostly wiped out, so SMAA ends up looking great as well. Also, a lot of people apply the 4xMSAA standard when they really shouldn't. 2xMSAA at 1440p has just slightly less of a performance hit and quality than 4xMSAA at 1080p (but much clearer and with fewer jaggies anyway due to there being more real pixels of course). 4xMSAA and above at 1440p is an exponential framerate drop for exponentially diminishing returns. I've only run at 1440p a couple times since the monitor I use most of the time is 1080p and my card can't handle 1440p in many games, but I would never use more than 2xMSAA or SMAA at 1440p. Otherwise there's just too much of an FPS drop and VRAM hit for too little gain, imo.

It's also worth noting that poorly calibrated monitors with their sharpness turned too high will exaggerate jaggies and make shader AA less effective.
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April 7, 2014 2:46:19 AM

I just noticed that in a previous post you wanted the 24 inch Dell, I think that is too small for 4k, check out the link below

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


You might as well go for a 1440p if you're considering the Dell UP2414Q in my opinion, Can you imagine how small the text would be when surfing the internet? You would have to make lots of adjustments.

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April 7, 2014 2:50:00 AM

mr91 said:
I just noticed your post you want the 24 inch Dell, I think that is too small for 4k, check out the link below

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


You might as well go for a 1440p if you're considering the Dell UP2414Q in my opinion, Can you imagine how small the text would be when surfing the internet? You would have to make lot of adjustments.


I agree.

Then again, 27" 1440p would be overall better than 24" 4K in my opinion. Obviously 4K would be clearer and such, but it would throw off so much optimization and would create so many scaling oddities it wouldn't be worth it to me.

Not to mention, 1440p is quite a mature technology now and there are some really good screens starting to release at 1440p. 4K screens still tend to have tradeoffs. If it's not an exorbitantly high price, it's a low refresh rate or cheap panel. Not necessarily TN, but usually not more than 6-bit.
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April 7, 2014 3:00:41 AM

get the ROG Swift monitor its 1440p and 27" and supports 3D Vision !!!!!!
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April 7, 2014 3:03:26 AM

I agree, 1440p is more mature, it would be nice if a 1440p G-Sync PLS/IPS monitor was released.

A 4k G-sync monitor would be a good idea as well because if I'm spending 10k plus on a computer and screen, perfection is the only option. lol

I think 4k isn't worth the substantial premium over 1440p however if money wasn't a factor I would get the ASUS PQ321Q with 2 Titan z graphic cards.
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April 7, 2014 3:07:00 AM

mr91 said:
I agree, 1440p is more mature, it would be nice if a 1440p G-Sync PLS/IPS monitor was released.

A 4k G-sync monitor would be a good idea as well because if I'm spending 10k plus on a computer and screen, perfection is the only option. lol

I think 4k isn't worth the substantial premium over 1440p however if money wasn't a factor I would get the ASUS PQ321Q with 2 Titan z graphic cards.


+1 ^
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April 7, 2014 3:53:39 AM

Well, from what I've heard, the 24 inch 4k monitor is the maximum budget I have for monitors. Guess I'll have to go with an 1440p monitor then :(  Guess that isn't a bad thing, but there would be lots of difference in image quality, but I guess for $10,000 less (2 Titan Z at $3000 + $3500 monitor,) you can't expect superb image quality.
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April 7, 2014 3:57:27 AM

Seriously, unless you're a billionaire or an extremely rich, extremely HARDCORE gamer where your life is entirely dependent on gaming, there's no way it's possible to afford a $15,000 computer (CPU, liquid cooling and all)
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April 7, 2014 3:57:54 AM

Seriously, unless you're a billionaire or an extremely rich, extremely HARDCORE gamer where your life is entirely dependent on gaming, there's no way it's possible to afford a $15,000 computer (CPU, liquid cooling and all)
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April 7, 2014 3:59:13 AM

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April 7, 2014 4:11:58 AM

Death Prodigy said:
Well, from what I've heard, the 24 inch 4k monitor is the maximum budget I have for monitors. Guess I'll have to go with an 1440p monitor then :(  Guess that isn't a bad thing, but there would be lots of difference in image quality, but I guess for $10,000 less (2 Titan Z at $3000 + $3500 monitor,) you can't expect superb image quality.


Gaming PCs aren't about getting the best quality ever, they're about getting the best balance of quality you can afford and/or want. Technically you could buy a WQUXGA screen and go much higher than 4K, but video cards today just aren't meant to run that, so it would hurt your experience rather than help it. Likewise, 4K isn't efficient today either. You "could" go 4K and settle for merely high settings 30 fps in next gen games, or you could go 1440p and use those 2 780 TIs to run everything next gen on ultra at 60 fps. In most circumstances, 1440p will actually look better and cost less, because that's the level technology is at right now.

It's the same reason the PS4 isn't running everything at 1440p. Technically, the PS4 could run every game at 1440p if they decreased textures, meshes, physics, LoD, and lighting. However, developers find that games actually can look and run better if you use the efficient resolution meant for the video card. The PS4's most efficient resolution happens to be either 900p or 1080p.
A 780 TI, even 2x 780 TIs, are meant for efficient operation at 1440p, not 4K. Trying to push a PC higher right now will cost a lot more and arguably look worse since to make up for the massive performance drop of the higher resolution you'll need to cut graphics settings sooner.
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April 7, 2014 6:05:38 AM

Well so I've selected a 1440p Asus IPS monitor and 2 GTX 780 Tis.
Hope the image quality doesn't suck!
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April 7, 2014 7:06:07 AM

Are you getting this one PA279Q?

The two 780 ti's will have enough VRAM for most games however if you are planing on playing BF4 and want to increase the scaling you will run out of Vram.

One 780 ti will be good enough for 1440p however if you want two 6 gb of memory would be ideal.


I suggest you get 2 Titan blacks or wait for a 6 gb variant of the 780 ti however I'm not sure if one will ever come out.

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April 7, 2014 7:20:07 AM

Death Prodigy said:
Well, from what I've heard, the 24 inch 4k monitor is the maximum budget I have for monitors. Guess I'll have to go with an 1440p monitor then :(  Guess that isn't a bad thing, but there would be lots of difference in image quality, but I guess for $10,000 less (2 Titan Z at $3000 + $3500 monitor,) you can't expect superb image quality.


The image Quality will be great however the concept of diminishing returns kicks in and without G-Sync you might get noticeable screen tearing in some games...
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April 7, 2014 8:20:28 AM

Death Prodigy said:
Thing I was wondering is, most people play games to be immersed in it, and often times, won't bother to nitpick framerate or jagged edges or abit of blur during battles.


Looking at your frame rate all day is a way to destroy immersion, but don't kid yourself, low FPS destroys immersion too. At 60 FPS, everything runs smooth, and you get flowing motion, when you are at 30 FPS, things fell choppy and destroys immersion, and in my case, makes me sick.

Even 60 FPS does not feel as good as 80-144 FPS. Getting to 80 FPS makes games feel more fluid and immerses me more than a high resolution can. Seeing trails on graphics as a result of motion blur also ruins immersion.
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