Anything Below 60 Fps feels like 15 - 25 Fps

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Ok....So this past September i finally saved up 1500 bucks for my first gaming rig, received it later that month. It has been nearly 7 month's now and ever since i first got my PC there has been something that has urked me to the point where it's really putting me down now. Since day 1, almost all games i play where the fps drops below 60 fps, the game feels like its playing at 15 - 25 fps, and i know what that fps feels like, before i got the PC i played WoW at 10 - 20 fps for 3 years. When my games are at 60 Fps its runs as smoothly as possible, but when intensive moments kick in and i drop to the 40s and 50s, the gameplay becomes choppy as if the fps was at 20.

Now i didn't let it bother me because i thought this is what all gamers go through and that this is the reason why everyone is so obsessed with maintaining 60 fps. But i went over to a friends house to play and mmo we play regularly called Tera. He has a crap system compared to me, a little gtx 660 paired with a silly 2500k. I almost raged out when i saw how when he drops to the 40 or 50 FPS, it looks not much different than a smooth 60 fps, no choppiness like my PC, looked almost as smooth as my PC when im at 60 fps.

This must mean that there is something wrong with my system or my system settings. Before i saw my friends fps i was told that its normal for the gameplay to be choppy at 40 - 50 fps. I will no longer accept that as an answer because it is obviously not true i have seen it with my eyes now. I have spent literally hours and hours tweaking things in the NCP, in game settings, no luck. i cant find anything related to my problem online but someone out there has to know what this is. Please help.

System Specs-
GPU- GTX 770 EVGA SUPER CLOCKED
CPU - I7 4770K@ 3.5 GHz (stock) PAIRED WITH A COOLER MASTER HYPER 212 EVO
MEMORY - 8 GIG'S DDr3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE RAM
OPERATING SYSTEM - WINDOWS 7 PRO 64 bit
MOTHERBOARD - Z87 G41 PC MATE
PSU - 850 TX CORSAIR MODULAR
MONITOR - VIZIO M22OVA4 HDTV @ 1080P
STORAGE - OS is on my western digital caviar blue 500gb HDD. Games are Stored on my samsung 840 250GB evo SSD. (Problem remains no matter where i store my games)


 
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Most likely it's an issue with your monitor, I would test another one and see if you notice an improvement. If you aren't doing so already, see if it has a "game" mode or PC input and use that. Also try using your native resolution if you aren't already. Scalers occasionally go bad, and this could potentially be a symptom of that.

It's possible that your monitor has unusual post processing that can't handle particular signal ranges very well. TVs generally don't make great monitors for that reason, rather than simply displaying the image nearly all TVs make various adjustments to it first, which takes time, causing input lag, and really isn't necessary, because your GPU does all of that anyway.


Edit: Films get away with using 24FPS because the next frame is known in advance. They can blur not just from the previous frame but into the next frame, which makes things look much smoother. This is obviously not possible with games, since they can't predict the future.

Motion blur in games can still make things smoother, but the effect isn't as pronounced and it comes at the cost of accuracy and clarity.
 
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Could it really be my T.v? I mean i use to be a console gamer and it ran fine with this t.v and if im not mistaken the old ps3 and 360 had an fps cap of 30 which if i were to get that framerate on my pc with this same tv i would get this choppiness.
 
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As I take it, consoles send 60FPS to the device, but 30FPS games simply send the same frame twice. That way the output is always the same but they can support either 60FPS or 30FPS. I think consoles also were also limited to rendering at 720p (but could upscale to 1080p so that devices detected it as 1080p) So that could explain why consoles worked fine. Consoles always turn on motion blur anyway, which is why you can play games at 30FPS without noticing the low framerate.

Either way, it could still be the TV. It could be that it can take some signal types correctly and not others, or maybe it struggles to process an image of a varying frame rate. If you have any other TVs/monitors in your house I'd try another one and see what happens.

Another option is to just turn on motion blur in whatever games you play. It will make things look smoother. 40-50 fps should still be fairly smooth even without motion blur, but everyone perceives framerate differently.
 
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My guess would be you may be seeing page tearing artifacts(vsync off) and those effect users differently.

Some users are also sensitive to the sudden changes(60 down to 50).

As for the comment above about film frame rates. Well film also has lots of blur in motion and you are not actually interacting with it.

games do not work the same way. It is very easy to FEEL the difference between 30 and 60 fps(input becomes delayed). Many users can also tell the difference from 60 to 120.

For a test, try to use something like Nvidia Inspector(screw driver and wrench icon and then select the game from the list) to force a frame rate cap of 30 and use vsync(only to remove page tearing) on one game and see what it looks/feels like. This is to compare to your console games.
 
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In my tv setting there is a tab in the setting called Pc setting but i can not access it for some reason. im guessing because i have my tv and vcard connected through hdmi so my tv is not recognizing it as a computer that its displaying for. sadly my tv only accepts hdmi and vga and my vcard only has dvi and hdmi so i will never be able to try that with this tv. I want to believe you when you say its my tv and i should go get a legit monitor, but i would like to see if i can get anymore suggestions before i go out and spend 300 bucks on a monitor
 
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PC mode just uses the VGA port anyway(it is not anything special.). Most video cards with a DVI port will have at least one DVI-I port that can use an DVI -> VGA adapter, but I do not think it will help you.

See if you have something called Game Mode on the TV. This turns off any built in image processing(makes tv look better, but games tend to already look better and not have noise or digital artifacts) that may cause input delay(a delay you do not notice when you are just watching tv, but can FEEL when playing a game with a mouse/keyboard).
 
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A couple of the games i play have there own built it frame caper tool and i have actually tried setting the cap to a range of frames, 30 being one of them and it actually made the choppiness alot worse, which is why i find it so strange that 30 fps on a console with this tv looks smooth while 30 fps on my pc makes me wanna throw up
 
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There is a game preset in picture modes but it did not help at all and it just made the picture very ugly
 
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yea i use mouse and keyboard and i have tried a 360 controller and nothing changed, i actually thought it had something to do with my mouse for a while so i bought a 150$ 4000 dpi mouse, and nothing changed. i was so convinced that it was my mouse because of ideas i was given online which is why i want to be sure this time
 
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god i hope your right...but before i mark this as solved i want to see if i can get any more suggestions.
 
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