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April 7, 2014 6:59:54 PM

Hello all,

Using the forums here and reading VideoGuys, Adobe and others, after a few attempts I've put together the build below for Video Editing and After Effects, (Plus Photoshop, Internet, etc... No Gaming). I've never done a build before, and am looking forward to it. If you would be so inclined, please look at my build below and let me know what you think about it.

I am specifically looking for feedback on the Video Card, Memory, SSD, Case and Monitor. The Video Card is especially hard to choose and I'm not 100% on my current choice. I've read many conflicting things about many cards. The card I've currently selected has done well in some benchmarks I've seen, and poorly in others. I'm also not interested in spending the money for a Quadro card. Any advice or suggestions you have for this component would be greatly appreciated. Once I nail down the Video Card, I'll be ready to start ordering everything and putting together my first build.

Thanks for your time and feedback you can offer.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-Deluxe/QUAD ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($328.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: ViewSonic VA2246M-LED 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: ViewSonic VA2246M-LED 60Hz 22.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1959.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-07 21:49 EDT-0400)

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April 7, 2014 7:18:34 PM

Looks good , will make a good rig, with the work you'll be doing would suggest kicking up the DRAM to 2133/9, would suggest the Snipers or Tridents (2x8GB 2133/9). GPU is good, reference model, would suggest the Asus GTX 770 CU model, better card, OCs well, runs cooler
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April 7, 2014 7:20:03 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($564.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($238.17 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($314.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1978.04
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-07 22:19 EDT-0400)

In Premier Pro, any card you pick from GTX 760 and up performs the same. Video cards in video editing are used to accelerate and offload some computations from the CPU. It is senseless to buy overly expensive video card for video editing and VFX, if your CPU is slow. Sony Vegas is little more open to GPUs and you can see a difference between 760/770/780 but not enough to justify the price. Those money better go to the CPU.

16 GB is not enough for VFX. Trust me. Some of my HDRI files that I use to light my 3D scenes take that much when opened in Photoshop. Also AE eats RAM and always asks for more. 32 is at least what I recommend. Trust me, I have 16 and I can barely live with it.

The motherboard you chose was overly expensive. In your list, you got 4 cored CPU with a motherboard for 650. I propose you 6 cored CPU with motherboard for 790. A wiser investment. If the price of the build I left, is too much (it is without the monitors) then scale down the video card to GTX 760. 6 cored I7 and 32 GBs of RAM are way more worth it than a higher model video card. Also - should you spend on 2133/2400 RAM - definitely no. Have not see any major improvement neither in Maya nor Photoshop nor Nuke, nor PremierPro/AE if you go there. In my experience - if you have 1333/1600 9-9-9 latency RAM - you already have 99.99% performance from the RAM side. This type of software does not scale with RAM MHz as much as with RAM latency.

The Samsung Evo is a nice choice. Got one myself, have very pleasant experience with it. I also use Seagate Barracuda's as my everyday cheap storage of choice.

Now when we get to the case - this is something personal. I tend to find Corsair cases too boring, but that is just me. If you like it - take it. It will do it's job well. Hope this was helpful. Cheers and good luck.
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April 8, 2014 6:01:02 AM

Shneiky said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($564.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($238.17 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($314.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1978.04
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-07 22:19 EDT-0400)

In Premier Pro, any card you pick from GTX 760 and up performs the same. Video cards in video editing are used to accelerate and offload some computations from the CPU. It is senseless to buy overly expensive video card for video editing and VFX, if your CPU is slow. Sony Vegas is little more open to GPUs and you can see a difference between 760/770/780 but not enough to justify the price. Those money better go to the CPU.

16 GB is not enough for VFX. Trust me. Some of my HDRI files that I use to light my 3D scenes take that much when opened in Photoshop. Also AE eats RAM and always asks for more. 32 is at least what I recommend. Trust me, I have 16 and I can barely live with it.

The motherboard you chose was overly expensive. In your list, you got 4 cored CPU with a motherboard for 650. I propose you 6 cored CPU with motherboard for 790. A wiser investment. If the price of the build I left, is too much (it is without the monitors) then scale down the video card to GTX 760. 6 cored I7 and 32 GBs of RAM are way more worth it than a higher model video card. Also - should you spend on 2133/2400 RAM - definitely no. Have not see any major improvement neither in Maya nor Photoshop nor Nuke, nor PremierPro/AE if you go there. In my experience - if you have 1333/1600 9-9-9 latency RAM - you already have 99.99% performance from the RAM side. This type of software does not scale with RAM MHz as much as with RAM latency.

The Samsung Evo is a nice choice. Got one myself, have very pleasant experience with it. I also use Seagate Barracuda's as my everyday cheap storage of choice.

Now when we get to the case - this is something personal. I tend to find Corsair cases too boring, but that is just me. If you like it - take it. It will do it's job well. Hope this was helpful. Cheers and good luck.


Thanks Shneiky, this looks really powerful. Appreciate your information. I like the build you put together. It actually looks closer to the first one I attempted. I used the 4930 CPU in that one. But I'd like to keep price at $2,000, including two monitors. If you had to reduce the price of your build by a few hundred dollars to make room, do you think you can do that and still have a machine that will work for my needs? Where could we save some money? What if we went with the Intel Core i7 4770K CPU at $330.00ish. Or is that a no go?

Thanks again for your time and information, I really appreciate it.
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April 8, 2014 7:23:04 AM

To be honest, I would not touch the CPU. Where we can make the savings is the case and the graphics card.

If you have an I7 4930 and a GTX 760 you will render around 25% faster than 4770k + GTX 770.

And honestly, even if it is 100 more than your 2000 mark is, it is definitely worth it. If you are shelling 2000 for a workstation set-up, there is no possible reason to go with a 4770k.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-500rwt

Maybe this case for example, if you definitely want it white. Or if you can live with a black case:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-400r

Also 650W PSU will be plenty. 750 will not even reach 50% usage in normal rendering situation.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr6...

So if you change the PSU and the case - that's a 100+ off. Or you can change the PSU and scale down to 760 while keeping the case.
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April 8, 2014 10:40:20 AM

Shneiky said:
To be honest, I would not touch the CPU. Where we can make the savings is the case and the graphics card.

If you have an I7 4930 and a GTX 760 you will render around 25% faster than 4770k + GTX 770.

And honestly, even if it is 100 more than your 2000 mark is, it is definitely worth it. If you are shelling 2000 for a workstation set-up, there is no possible reason to go with a 4770k.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-500rwt

Maybe this case for example, if you definitely want it white. Or if you can live with a black case:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-400r

Also 650W PSU will be plenty. 750 will not even reach 50% usage in normal rendering situation.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr6...

So if you change the PSU and the case - that's a 100+ off. Or you can change the PSU and scale down to 760 while keeping the case.


Hmm. Thanks again. Appreciate your feedback. This is tough choice. Because I wanted to spend around 2,000 with dual monitors. Looks like I can shave $80 off on different case. And another $60 on power supply. And if I go with the GTX760, another $80. So that's right on target now. You can see it here: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/paolopaolo/saved/4j5Y Look ok to you?

Let me throw another question at you, if you have time. What do you think of the VideoGuys DIY build for a premium workstation, seen here: http://scrible.com/s/6wVgy



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April 8, 2014 11:24:09 AM

Those guys do a major mistake. They always put up a motherboard that is the same price as a CPU - that is a ridiculous waste of money. Sure, Thunderbolt is nice and all, but if you have a TB NAS or something and that Asus Z87-Deluxe/QUAD ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($328.99 @ Amazon) will not bring any performance on top of a 100/150 ASRock Z87 or Asus Z87. It is a waste of money if you do not use the extra features (which are ridiculous number of SATA ports, USB ports and etc. I mean, I don't see you putting 16 USB devices and 8 HDDs/SSD right?)

Also, the Quadro's have a limited usage. Not all editing/VFX uses do need the extra of the quadro.

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April 8, 2014 12:04:20 PM

Shneiky said:
Those guys do a major mistake. They always put up a motherboard that is the same price as a CPU - that is a ridiculous waste of money. Sure, Thunderbolt is nice and all, but if you have a TB NAS or something and that Asus Z87-Deluxe/QUAD ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($328.99 @ Amazon) will not bring any performance on top of a 100/150 ASRock Z87 or Asus Z87. It is a waste of money if you do not use the extra features (which are ridiculous number of SATA ports, USB ports and etc. I mean, I don't see you putting 16 USB devices and 8 HDDs/SSD right?)

Also, the Quadro's have a limited usage. Not all editing/VFX uses do need the extra of the quadro.



Ok, interesting. And I'm glad you bring up thunderbolt, because I was wondering about that and forgot to ask last time. I was under the impression you really wanted Thunderbolt. I have two at work and really appreciate them. Looks like the MBs you and I selected don't have them. You're saying we don't need them?

The Z87 Expert has thunderbolt and is around same price. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z87expert But then looks like I'd have to change my build configuration. First time I am ever doing this, so it's all pretty new to me and I'm learning as I go.

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April 8, 2014 6:37:22 PM

In my personal opinion, and for me Thunderbolt is useless. I do not have, nor I plan to buy Thunderbolt devices. As of now - TB belongs in the Mac world. In your normal PCs, probably less than 1% has TB compatibility. Sure it is nice to daisy chain a ton of stuff (but then a college, your wife, kid, the dog/car/whatever-the-hell goes trough the cables disconnecting something and everything crashes down). The only 2 situations in which TB makes sense is NAS or external video card. External HDDs are completely fine at USB 3.0. Also a NAS on a 1 GB connection is plenty (unless you have an SSD NAS). And to top that, the TB devices carry a premium, which I am not willing to pay. I prefer to render for 4 hours, instead of 6 and the upload for 1 hour instead of 30 mins. It depends how do you feel about TB. Do you really need it? If so, then it might be back to Z87.
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April 8, 2014 6:41:56 PM

Shneiky said:
In my personal opinion, and for me Thunderbolt is useless. I do not have, nor I plan to buy Thunderbolt devices. As of now - TB belongs in the Mac world. In your normal PCs, probably less than 1% has TB compatibility. Sure it is nice to daisy chain a ton of stuff (but then a college, your wife, kid, the dog/car/whatever-the-hell goes trough the cables disconnecting something and everything crashes down). The only 2 situations in which TB makes sense is NAS or external video card. External HDDs are completely fine at USB 3.0. Also a NAS on a 1 GB connection is plenty (unless you have an SSD NAS). And to top that, the TB devices carry a premium, which I am not willing to pay. I prefer to render for 4 hours, instead of 6 and the upload for 1 hour instead of 30 mins. It depends how do you feel about TB. Do you really need it? If so, then it might be back to Z87.


Thanks. I did some more research today on 3.0 vs TB and decided TB is not a must. So thanks for your input. Will skip. What's your feeling on 16GB ram vs 32? I won't be gaming, just video editing, photoshop, AE and internet. Is 32 necessary? Can I get 16 and upgrade later?

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April 8, 2014 7:53:42 PM

If you go the 4930 road - then 32 GB is a must. 1st - you need 4 sticks to make use of the Quad Channel architecture. Using it provides around 10%-ish more performance than not utilizing it. 2nd - Buying 4 sticks in kit is a guarantee that they will work together. You can get a 2x8 kit now and 2x8 kit later, but there is always the chance that they might cause problems. 4x8 kit is 300, while 4x4 kit is around 200. It is not price optimal to go 4x4 kit. (when I went with the 4x4 years ago, the 8 GB sticks were more than double the price, now 8 GB sticks price have fallen down considerably).

I can barely live with 16 GB RAM + 16 GB Page file on my SSD. Premier Pro is not that RAM hungry - but After Effects and Photoshop - oh hell yeah, those 2 eat RAM for breakfast. I would strongly advice not to go 16 GB, go 32 GBs now, and 64 later.

P.S Anything more than 8 GBs is not used in Gaming, so that is not a concern at all. Also, I forgot to mention that AE needs at least 2GB (preferably 2.5/3/4 GB) of RAM per thread. So a 4 core CPU with Hyperthreading needs 16 GBs minimum. A 6 core CPU with Hyperthreading needs 24 at minimum.
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April 9, 2014 4:54:50 AM

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Looks good , will make a good rig, with the work you'll be doing would suggest kicking up the DRAM to 2133/9, would suggest the Snipers or Tridents (2x8GB 2133/9). GPU is good, reference model, would suggest the Asus GTX 770 CU model, better card, OCs well, runs cooler


Shneiky said:
If you go the 4930 road - then 32 GB is a must. 1st - you need 4 sticks to make use of the Quad Channel architecture. Using it provides around 10%-ish more performance than not utilizing it. 2nd - Buying 4 sticks in kit is a guarantee that they will work together. You can get a 2x8 kit now and 2x8 kit later, but there is always the chance that they might cause problems. 4x8 kit is 300, while 4x4 kit is around 200. It is not price optimal to go 4x4 kit. (when I went with the 4x4 years ago, the 8 GB sticks were more than double the price, now 8 GB sticks price have fallen down considerably).

I can barely live with 16 GB RAM + 16 GB Page file on my SSD. Premier Pro is not that RAM hungry - but After Effects and Photoshop - oh hell yeah, those 2 eat RAM for breakfast. I would strongly advice not to go 16 GB, go 32 GBs now, and 64 later.

P.S Anything more than 8 GBs is not used in Gaming, so that is not a concern at all. Also, I forgot to mention that AE needs at least 2GB (preferably 2.5/3/4 GB) of RAM per thread. So a 4 core CPU with Hyperthreading needs 16 GBs minimum. A 6 core CPU with Hyperthreading needs 24 at minimum.


Thanks Shneiky. Using a lot of information you (and some others) have provided, I've created what I feel is my final build t this time, barring any strong objections or concerns. You can see that, here.

Thanks again, much appreciated your information and feedback.

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