Should i change from a GTX 780 ti to a r9 290X or r9 280x?
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 11:58:13 AM
Ok so i have some problems with my current gpu i think and its incompatability with my cpu. the graphics card is a MSI gtx 780 ti and it gets very bad fps at games like battlefield on high. the highest i got on multiplayer is 40 fps. the graphics card or other components in the pc is not damaged and/or defect.
My Build:
Corsair Obsidian 750D
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, Socket-AM3+
AMD FX-8350 Black Edition
Corsair H60 Hydro Series CPU Cooler
Kingston DDR3 HyperX Beast 16GB
Seagate Barracuda® 2TB
Silver Power SP-S750M 750W PSU
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NO
Acer 24" LED G246HLBbid
MSI GeForce gtx 780 ti
Should i change the gtx 780 ti to a r9 290x or a r9 280x?
Suggestions would be nice
Test while playing bf4
GPU: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Temp2.gif
GPU2: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Temp.gif
CPU: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Cpu.png
My Build:
Corsair Obsidian 750D
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, Socket-AM3+
AMD FX-8350 Black Edition
Corsair H60 Hydro Series CPU Cooler
Kingston DDR3 HyperX Beast 16GB
Seagate Barracuda® 2TB
Silver Power SP-S750M 750W PSU
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NO
Acer 24" LED G246HLBbid
MSI GeForce gtx 780 ti
Should i change the gtx 780 ti to a r9 290x or a r9 280x?
Suggestions would be nice
Test while playing bf4
GPU: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Temp2.gif
GPU2: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Temp.gif
CPU: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Cpu.png
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 11:59:03 AM
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lol... you have to upload pictures, but theres nothign wrong with your 780ti or your GPU. 8350's shine in battlefield b/c it can use all the cores. What clock is your 8350 at? I'm assuming you OC'd it if you have a liquid cooler.
agreed, update bios and all drivers for your motherboard. Also get GPU drivers.
agreed, update bios and all drivers for your motherboard. Also get GPU drivers.
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:14:05 PM
http://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Cpu_zp...
I hope this work, i am not experienced wih uploading photos because most of my time go to gaming
I hope this work, i am not experienced wih uploading photos because most of my time go to gaming
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:15:22 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:16:23 PM
As seen in the image your gpu load is at only 60% which means your cpu holds you back (not because its bad)
I see you use windows 7, have you installed the microsoft drivers for the fx cpus? microsoft released drivers (just google "windows 7 fx 8350 drivers") because windows 7 couldn't utilize the fx 8 core series "perfectly", that drivers should fix it imho
I see you use windows 7, have you installed the microsoft drivers for the fx cpus? microsoft released drivers (just google "windows 7 fx 8350 drivers") because windows 7 couldn't utilize the fx 8 core series "perfectly", that drivers should fix it imho
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:30:48 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:41:56 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:48:11 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:56:00 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 12:58:44 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:14:16 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:27:55 PM
He bought the same as i have because he was unsure what he wanted to get so i told him about what i had so he just bought it. No he is not that smart pc guy just a gamer that plays games. he havent overclocked and he doesnt know what it is. i ran some fps testes on his pc to see how much he got. i almost hit him because this pc thing have bothered me a pretty long time because my previous graphics card was a gtx 670 and a amd 4300 and that worked quite well on bf3 (because bf4 wasnt released). after battlefield 4 came out i have been pissed of on the graphics card because it uses too much power or something. i just want to find out the problem.
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:29:00 PM
EMPCreepy said:
Will it help me more if i buy a amd card and windows 8.1 and sell the graphics card. If the case is that its better to buy a AMD Card what card should i buy?The problem is with getting your CPU to perform correctly. There is a lot of GPU power not being used based on that graphic of GPU-Z. Switching the GPU will not change that.
You might have an issue with heat on your CPU, or something else all together, but it will likely still be an issue with a new GPU. Try monitoring your CPU temps before you continue.
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EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:43:09 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:52:44 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:55:16 PM
EMPCreepy
April 8, 2014 1:59:26 PM
EMPCreepy said:
If buying a Fan will help anything. what fan should i get?The fan will not help if your temps are low. The temps you are repeating to us are so low, that it sounds like the CPU may just not be going into full use. It is something I do not know the best tools for, so I suggest you search for diagnostic program.
Actually, what I'd do is go to the CPU forum here, and ask them: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-28.html
They should be able to help you better, unless someone here is more experienced with it. 30-37C with the GPU at 60% load, does not sound right.
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shehtazruslan
April 8, 2014 5:51:02 PM
The only two things I could think of at least are parked cores and/or core c6 state.
Try to unpark your cores (windows "parks" them if their power isnt needed, but this isnt always performing as it should)
take this tool and unpark all cores, this will force windows to use ALL of your cores:
http://www.coderbag.com/Uploads/Unpark-CPU-App.zip
If this also isn't working disable the "core c6 state" in the bios, maybe your processor doesn't get "kicked out" of this state after idle
Could you run a tool like "Core Temp" when you play battlefield e.g. and make a screenshot? this tool shows you the frequencies + load of all of your cores beside the core temperatur
you can find it here:
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
Try to unpark your cores (windows "parks" them if their power isnt needed, but this isnt always performing as it should)
take this tool and unpark all cores, this will force windows to use ALL of your cores:
http://www.coderbag.com/Uploads/Unpark-CPU-App.zip
If this also isn't working disable the "core c6 state" in the bios, maybe your processor doesn't get "kicked out" of this state after idle
Could you run a tool like "Core Temp" when you play battlefield e.g. and make a screenshot? this tool shows you the frequencies + load of all of your cores beside the core temperatur
you can find it here:
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
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EMPCreepy
April 9, 2014 7:02:37 AM
Ok so this is the last try before i sell my GTX 780 ti
http://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Battle...
If this works i will be very gratefull. if not i am still gratefull because i learned some new things
http://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Battle...
If this works i will be very gratefull. if not i am still gratefull because i learned some new things
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EMPCreepy said:
Ok so this is the last try before i sell my GTX 780 tihttp://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Battle...
If this works i will be very gratefull. if not i am still gratefull because i learned some new things
Did you have an AMD gpu installed before putting the 780 ti in? If so, download driver sweeper and run that to clear out AMD drivers.
What are your settings in PrecisionX? Default?
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EMPCreepy said:
Ok so this is the last try before i sell my GTX 780 tihttp://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Battle...
If this works i will be very gratefull. if not i am still gratefull because i learned some new things
It appears that the CPU is running at 4.1Ghz and the temps are not high. The CPU cores are maxing out at 69%, so that leaves the question of why is the 780ti only at 60% most of the time. Do you have adaptive V-sync (half refresh) on, or using any sort of 3rd party programs for FPS limiting?
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Avocade
April 9, 2014 8:14:22 AM
Important things first:
NEVER sell the 780 TI, this card kicks ass and you just can't compare it to an AMD card.
If unparking the cores doesn't help, check your driver settings in the NVIDIA control center.
Be sure that no settings are pre-configured and the card uses the settings of the actual game.
Do you only get in Battlefield poor framerates? If yes than try a different driver, the battlelog-forums are full of people reporting their performance with different driver-versions.
NEVER sell the 780 TI, this card kicks ass and you just can't compare it to an AMD card.
If unparking the cores doesn't help, check your driver settings in the NVIDIA control center.
Be sure that no settings are pre-configured and the card uses the settings of the actual game.
Do you only get in Battlefield poor framerates? If yes than try a different driver, the battlelog-forums are full of people reporting their performance with different driver-versions.
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nikoli707 said:
looks to me that your 780ti is hitting its thermal cap at 81c and is throttling its clocks. manually raise the fan to 70% constant and change the temp priority to 90c.This stuck out to me as well. Make a custom fan profile thats far more aggressive!
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slimething
April 11, 2014 6:31:26 AM
It may be something as simple as the video card itself may be defective, or the psu (including power leads not hooked up right). Sometimes Occam's razor is the correct path.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2095627/bf4-fps-...
Also, his monitor is 1080p @60hz, the 780ti is like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly and will not improve game play one iota with that monitor on BF4. Running on Ultra is just eye candy fluff anyway; unless you know what the subtle differences are, High vs Ultra is nearly indistinguishable.
Finally, gpu usage will not always hit nor should always be 99%.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2095627/bf4-fps-...
Also, his monitor is 1080p @60hz, the 780ti is like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly and will not improve game play one iota with that monitor on BF4. Running on Ultra is just eye candy fluff anyway; unless you know what the subtle differences are, High vs Ultra is nearly indistinguishable.
Finally, gpu usage will not always hit nor should always be 99%.
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Lascar
April 15, 2014 1:23:13 AM
PSU PCI-E might be defective, Mobo PCI-E lanes could be bugging due to bios, try Upgrading. Driver might be corrupted and OS might have issues causing slow downs and fps drops its common occurrence that people get confused about. Update all your existing drivers.
What is your ram frequency and voltage? Sometimes having just one defective ram module can cause your whole setup to suffer. Try running on only one module to test you may want to adjust clock timings and voltage to attain stable ram operation since this is AMD simply putting everything together doesn't always work as intended you will need to tweak, possibly lower DRAM timing in some cases.
So your course of action, BIOS check and Upgrade.
OS cleanup and driver Update. Virus and malware cleanup. Malwarebyte antimalware, Kingsoft pcdoctor, wisecare365.
Individual Memory module tests.
CPU-GPU stress test and bechmarking.
Reinstall fresh OS and see.
What is your ram frequency and voltage? Sometimes having just one defective ram module can cause your whole setup to suffer. Try running on only one module to test you may want to adjust clock timings and voltage to attain stable ram operation since this is AMD simply putting everything together doesn't always work as intended you will need to tweak, possibly lower DRAM timing in some cases.
So your course of action, BIOS check and Upgrade.
OS cleanup and driver Update. Virus and malware cleanup. Malwarebyte antimalware, Kingsoft pcdoctor, wisecare365.
Individual Memory module tests.
CPU-GPU stress test and bechmarking.
Reinstall fresh OS and see.
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See: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-ti-...
You should be getting 75 fps on 1080p ultra. The 290X would get 70 fps.
You should be getting 75 fps on 1080p ultra. The 290X would get 70 fps.
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EMPCreepy
April 15, 2014 10:33:34 AM
EMPCreepy
April 15, 2014 10:35:08 AM
mojito0
April 16, 2014 1:27:58 AM
wss_003
April 16, 2014 6:38:43 PM
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