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Should i change from a GTX 780 ti to a r9 290X or r9 280x?

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April 8, 2014 11:58:13 AM

Ok so i have some problems with my current gpu i think and its incompatability with my cpu. the graphics card is a MSI gtx 780 ti and it gets very bad fps at games like battlefield on high. the highest i got on multiplayer is 40 fps. the graphics card or other components in the pc is not damaged and/or defect.

My Build:
Corsair Obsidian 750D
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, Socket-AM3+
AMD FX-8350 Black Edition
Corsair H60 Hydro Series CPU Cooler
Kingston DDR3 HyperX Beast 16GB
Seagate Barracuda® 2TB
Silver Power SP-S750M 750W PSU
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NO
Acer 24" LED G246HLBbid
MSI GeForce gtx 780 ti

Should i change the gtx 780 ti to a r9 290x or a r9 280x?
Suggestions would be nice :) 

Test while playing bf4
GPU: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Temp2.gif
GPU2: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Temp.gif
CPU: file:///C:/Users/EMP/Pictures/Cpu.png

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April 8, 2014 11:59:03 AM

If there is something i missed out in the post please tell me :) 
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April 8, 2014 12:02:08 PM

You are getting framerates way lower than you should be. Update your motherboard's BIOS to the latest release and see if that does the trick.

Also, the links to the images on your C:\ drive are only going to work for you.
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April 8, 2014 12:05:30 PM

lol... you have to upload pictures, but theres nothign wrong with your 780ti or your GPU. 8350's shine in battlefield b/c it can use all the cores. What clock is your 8350 at? I'm assuming you OC'd it if you have a liquid cooler.

agreed, update bios and all drivers for your motherboard. Also get GPU drivers.
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April 8, 2014 12:15:22 PM

And i have not overclocked because i am not that experienced with the bios settings and are very scared that i might end up damaging the components if i tune something wrong
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April 8, 2014 12:16:23 PM

I have also updated the bios with the right bios drivers
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April 8, 2014 12:23:09 PM

As seen in the image your gpu load is at only 60% which means your cpu holds you back (not because its bad)

I see you use windows 7, have you installed the microsoft drivers for the fx cpus? microsoft released drivers (just google "windows 7 fx 8350 drivers") because windows 7 couldn't utilize the fx 8 core series "perfectly", that drivers should fix it imho
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April 8, 2014 12:30:48 PM

ok i will download the hotfix now
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April 8, 2014 12:41:56 PM

i extracted the files into C: is there more i need to do or is the download done and i can play normal
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April 8, 2014 12:48:11 PM

But can it also help if i change from windows 7 to windows 8.1?
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April 8, 2014 12:50:40 PM

I assime you need to run the hotfix not just download it.
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April 8, 2014 12:56:00 PM

smeezekitty said:
I assime you need to run the hotfix not just download it.


Yes i did run it and it extracted into my C:
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April 8, 2014 12:58:44 PM

Btw. I created this thread to ask if it would help me more if i changed the gtx 780 ti to a r9 290x or a r9 280x. My friend has almost the same build as i have but has a r9 270x and windows 8.1. he can run battlefield smoothly on 80-100+ fps without any decrease under 80
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April 8, 2014 1:12:37 PM

What about the CPU?
BF4 is AMD optimized but not that much difference
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April 8, 2014 1:14:16 PM

smeezekitty said:
What about the CPU?
BF4 is AMD optimized but not that much difference


What do you mean?
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April 8, 2014 1:16:34 PM

Does he have the same CPU? If so is it overclocked?
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April 8, 2014 1:27:55 PM

He bought the same as i have because he was unsure what he wanted to get so i told him about what i had so he just bought it. No he is not that smart pc guy just a gamer that plays games. he havent overclocked and he doesnt know what it is. i ran some fps testes on his pc to see how much he got. i almost hit him because this pc thing have bothered me a pretty long time because my previous graphics card was a gtx 670 and a amd 4300 and that worked quite well on bf3 (because bf4 wasnt released). after battlefield 4 came out i have been pissed of on the graphics card because it uses too much power or something. i just want to find out the problem.
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April 8, 2014 1:29:00 PM

Will it help me more if i buy a amd card and windows 8.1 and sell the graphics card. If the case is that its better to buy a AMD Card what card should i buy?
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April 8, 2014 1:40:47 PM

EMPCreepy said:
Will it help me more if i buy a amd card and windows 8.1 and sell the graphics card. If the case is that its better to buy a AMD Card what card should i buy?


The problem is with getting your CPU to perform correctly. There is a lot of GPU power not being used based on that graphic of GPU-Z. Switching the GPU will not change that.

You might have an issue with heat on your CPU, or something else all together, but it will likely still be an issue with a new GPU. Try monitoring your CPU temps before you continue.
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April 8, 2014 1:43:09 PM

the temp have never been over 50. when i play i usually get around 30-37 C,
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April 8, 2014 1:46:23 PM

EMPCreepy said:
the temp have never been over 50. when i play i usually get around 30-37 C,


Are you looking at the temps of the cores? That his hard to believe unless you have it water cooled.
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April 8, 2014 1:47:36 PM

You may check to make sure the CPU is even kicking into full speed. If it is running at 30-37C load on air, unless you are outside in snow, the cores do not sound as if they are at full speed.
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April 8, 2014 1:52:44 PM

Tell me what i could do check it. i am not very experienced and thats why i am here
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April 8, 2014 1:55:16 PM

If buying a Fan will help anything. what fan should i get?
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April 8, 2014 1:59:26 PM

Should i put my cpu cooler fan on the top of the case and then a normal fan in the back so the pc will have a fluent airflow? or is it better to keep the cpu cooler fan in the back then a fan in the top of the case? I already have two in the front
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April 8, 2014 2:00:38 PM

EMPCreepy said:
If buying a Fan will help anything. what fan should i get?


The fan will not help if your temps are low. The temps you are repeating to us are so low, that it sounds like the CPU may just not be going into full use. It is something I do not know the best tools for, so I suggest you search for diagnostic program.

Actually, what I'd do is go to the CPU forum here, and ask them: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-28.html

They should be able to help you better, unless someone here is more experienced with it. 30-37C with the GPU at 60% load, does not sound right.
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April 8, 2014 5:51:02 PM

I know this is solved but the low frame rates might be because of high ping.....and get the latest updates and dont even think about switching from 780ti to 290x the 780ti is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better
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April 8, 2014 6:34:55 PM

shehtazruslan said:
and get the latest updates and you probably shouldn't switch from 780ti to 290x the 780ti is somewhat better


FTFY

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April 8, 2014 10:51:37 PM

The only two things I could think of at least are parked cores and/or core c6 state.

Try to unpark your cores (windows "parks" them if their power isnt needed, but this isnt always performing as it should)
take this tool and unpark all cores, this will force windows to use ALL of your cores:
http://www.coderbag.com/Uploads/Unpark-CPU-App.zip

If this also isn't working disable the "core c6 state" in the bios, maybe your processor doesn't get "kicked out" of this state after idle

Could you run a tool like "Core Temp" when you play battlefield e.g. and make a screenshot? this tool shows you the frequencies + load of all of your cores beside the core temperatur
you can find it here:
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
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April 9, 2014 7:38:20 AM

EMPCreepy said:
Ok so this is the last try before i sell my GTX 780 ti
http://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Battle...
If this works i will be very gratefull. if not i am still gratefull because i learned some new things


Did you have an AMD gpu installed before putting the 780 ti in? If so, download driver sweeper and run that to clear out AMD drivers.

What are your settings in PrecisionX? Default?

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April 9, 2014 7:44:54 AM

EMPCreepy said:
Ok so this is the last try before i sell my GTX 780 ti
http://s102.photobucket.com/user/EMPCreepy/media/Battle...
If this works i will be very gratefull. if not i am still gratefull because i learned some new things


It appears that the CPU is running at 4.1Ghz and the temps are not high. The CPU cores are maxing out at 69%, so that leaves the question of why is the 780ti only at 60% most of the time. Do you have adaptive V-sync (half refresh) on, or using any sort of 3rd party programs for FPS limiting?
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April 9, 2014 8:14:22 AM

If you bought a 290x or especially a 280 you'd be downgrading. The 780 Ti is more than powerful enough to beat both of those GPU's even in and AMD "optimized" game if you can call it that it's really not optimized for anyone or anything.
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April 10, 2014 4:22:28 AM

Important things first:
NEVER sell the 780 TI, this card kicks ass and you just can't compare it to an AMD card.

If unparking the cores doesn't help, check your driver settings in the NVIDIA control center.
Be sure that no settings are pre-configured and the card uses the settings of the actual game.

Do you only get in Battlefield poor framerates? If yes than try a different driver, the battlelog-forums are full of people reporting their performance with different driver-versions.
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April 10, 2014 6:30:09 AM

looks to me that your 780ti is hitting its thermal cap at 81c and is throttling its clocks. manually raise the fan to 70% constant and change the temp priority to 90c.
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April 10, 2014 8:26:51 AM

nikoli707 said:
looks to me that your 780ti is hitting its thermal cap at 81c and is throttling its clocks. manually raise the fan to 70% constant and change the temp priority to 90c.


Isn't the thermal throttling higher than 81C by default?
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April 10, 2014 9:35:54 AM

79,80,81c, some manufactures have a different temp target but yes, it will throttle.
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April 10, 2014 9:57:19 AM

nikoli707 said:
looks to me that your 780ti is hitting its thermal cap at 81c and is throttling its clocks. manually raise the fan to 70% constant and change the temp priority to 90c.

This stuck out to me as well. Make a custom fan profile thats far more aggressive!
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April 10, 2014 1:59:20 PM

Even then, the 780ti does not throttle at 80C, it just doesn't boost as much at 80C, and at 90C doesn't boost at all, but it still will run at the factory base clocks, and the usage should still hit 99% regardless.
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April 11, 2014 6:31:26 AM

It may be something as simple as the video card itself may be defective, or the psu (including power leads not hooked up right). Sometimes Occam's razor is the correct path.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2095627/bf4-fps-...

Also, his monitor is 1080p @60hz, the 780ti is like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly and will not improve game play one iota with that monitor on BF4. Running on Ultra is just eye candy fluff anyway; unless you know what the subtle differences are, High vs Ultra is nearly indistinguishable.

Finally, gpu usage will not always hit nor should always be 99%.
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April 15, 2014 1:23:13 AM

PSU PCI-E might be defective, Mobo PCI-E lanes could be bugging due to bios, try Upgrading. Driver might be corrupted and OS might have issues causing slow downs and fps drops its common occurrence that people get confused about. Update all your existing drivers.
What is your ram frequency and voltage? Sometimes having just one defective ram module can cause your whole setup to suffer. Try running on only one module to test you may want to adjust clock timings and voltage to attain stable ram operation since this is AMD simply putting everything together doesn't always work as intended you will need to tweak, possibly lower DRAM timing in some cases.

So your course of action, BIOS check and Upgrade.
OS cleanup and driver Update. Virus and malware cleanup. Malwarebyte antimalware, Kingsoft pcdoctor, wisecare365.
Individual Memory module tests.
CPU-GPU stress test and bechmarking.
Reinstall fresh OS and see.
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April 15, 2014 10:33:34 AM

ok you guys are bullshiting. bestfriend gets over 100 with amd r9 270x
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April 15, 2014 10:35:08 AM

I have done evertything. nothing is working. fuck the gtx 780 ti
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April 15, 2014 10:51:35 AM

EMPCreepy said:
ok you guys are bullshiting. bestfriend gets over 100 with amd r9 270x


What ... On medium?
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April 15, 2014 2:36:03 PM

I'm passing on test results. You also need to see the test set-up. And the game settings. The info from that review also lines up with other info on the website. I think you need to carefully go over your set-up.
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April 16, 2014 1:27:58 AM

I know one thing...when everything else fails....re-install windows :p . As I see it and as everyone else saw it, this is most probably a software problem, so I'd go that way
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April 16, 2014 6:38:43 PM

I have 2 270x crossfired and am only getting 120ish fps and thats with a 9370 at 4.9 also my other rig with 2 780 classifieds in sli are running at 5760 by 1080 with a 8320 on a custom loop at 4.7 on ultra run 60s so 100fps on a single 270x with an 8350 on ultra seems alittle far fetched
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