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If I use an old, 720 TV, what's a good card type?

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April 11, 2014 12:15:16 PM

I just care about latency because my screen isn't that great. Would a GTX 750 be plenty? I don't want to get a 780 and find out I'm not even using its power since my TV sucks. But I hate it when I get killed in BF4 because of latency. So I want enough power...

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April 11, 2014 12:50:53 PM

When you say "latency", I'm assuming you mean a low frame-rate, and not bandwidth latency issues because of a high ping. So, for 720p, a 750 would be quite decent for mid-high settings. Although, on anything below 1080p, and especially in heavily multiplayer games, the CPU is almost equally important. What system are you running right now (CPU, GPU, RAM)?
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April 11, 2014 1:21:33 PM

i5-4670 Haswell 3.4, EVGA Stinger Z87, 4gb 1033 memory, 480w PSU (not high quality...), 1 TB HD and 1 750GB HD (not ssd).

The memory, PSU and storage were lying around from a previous build that wasn't a gaming rig. The processor & mb are new just for this build.

And I'm just talking latency in general... obviously if I use a wireless connection to my router the GPU can't really do anything to help the latency. But any form of latency, be that frame rate or whatever....

I just hate getting killed because some kid got a sick setup for Christmas. But at the same time, I don't want to get a crazy GPU if the EVGA 750 ti FTW is more than enough for my POS TV.
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April 11, 2014 1:22:36 PM

Anonymous said:
When you say "latency", I'm assuming you mean a low frame-rate, and not bandwidth latency issues because of a high ping. So, for 720p, a 750 would be quite decent for mid-high settings. Although, on anything below 1080p, and especially in heavily multiplayer games, the CPU is almost equally important. What system are you running right now (CPU, GPU, RAM)?



Uh... I thought I was responding to you but it turns out it was just an answer to me. So... yeah. Sorry for the confusion.
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April 11, 2014 2:19:15 PM

You've got an awesome processor, and a 480W PSU is sufficient for your needs, unless it is more than two years old. If it is that old, it would be best if you considered replacing it first, because when a PSU, especially a non-branded one, dies, it can take a bunch of your other goodies, like the mobo, RAM, GPU, peripherals, etc., with it. Your RAM is on the lower side, but still acceptable.

The 750Ti (which is fairly stronger than the plain 750) is a very nice card, and at 720p, you could easily run ultra settings and still have a smooth gameplay experience.
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April 24, 2014 7:30:58 AM

Anonymous said:
You've got an awesome processor, and a 480W PSU is sufficient for your needs, unless it is more than two years old. If it is that old, it would be best if you considered replacing it first, because when a PSU, especially a non-branded one, dies, it can take a bunch of your other goodies, like the mobo, RAM, GPU, peripherals, etc., with it. Your RAM is on the lower side, but still acceptable.

The 750Ti (which is fairly stronger than the plain 750) is a very nice card, and at 720p, you could easily run ultra settings and still have a smooth gameplay experience.


Thanks! I took your advice and picked up a different PSU. Microcenter had a refer'b AX750 with a 3 year warranty for $100. So I just figured it's better to be safe. And I picked up a small SSD (120GB) just for the OS and a couple games. I'll use the other HDD's as my main storage.

And so far the GPU looks great! I played around with EVGA's OC Scanner last night and the graphics looked awesome. My POS TV has never looked better! :) 

I think eventually I'll get a nicer GPU, overclocked processer and water cooling. But I'll wait for 4k TV's to get straightened out. Until then, this setup actually looks pretty good.
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April 24, 2014 7:37:17 AM

Anonymous said:
you could easily run ultra settings and still have a smooth gameplay experience.


What are "ultra settings"?

I just ordered two Cougar 120mm fan that push something like 70 CFM and a Zalman 92mm CPU fan. So I'm hoping I can run this stuff a little hot. But I'm also using a Inwin 901 case, so there's not a lot of vents... I'm not sure how much airflow I'll really get out of this case.

But I'm not sure I'll really need to worry about overheating since I don't really have a crazy nice display. Overclocking seems about as necessary as getting a 780 card.

But if there are "ultra settings" that can make my display look better, I would love to better understand them.
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April 24, 2014 12:01:36 PM

Doxastic said:
But I'm not sure I'll really need to worry about overheating since I don't really have a crazy nice display. Overclocking seems about as necessary as getting a 780 card.
That's right, OC is used to compensate where the CPU or the GPU is lacking in power for the required workload. For example, if you tried running a modern game on a 1080p monitor, you may have to push the GPU a little bit for a smoother frame rate.

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But if there are "ultra settings" that can make my display look better, I would love to better understand them.
:)  "Ultra settings" is more or less a figure of speech, that refers to turning all in-game graphics quality settings to the highest level available, which your setup should be able to achieve in 99% of games.



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April 24, 2014 12:09:41 PM

The AX750 would be a great PSU. They're 80PLUS Platinum, and they have lots of current on the +12V rail. And If I know right, your motherboard also supports SLI, so you should be able to run 2 high end NVIDIA GPU's in SLI in the future.
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April 24, 2014 1:38:02 PM

cst1992 said:
The AX750 would be a great PSU. They're 80PLUS Platinum, and they have lots of current on the +12V rail. And If I know right, your motherboard also supports SLI, so you should be able to run 2 high end NVIDIA GPU's in SLI in the future.


There's only 1 PCI-e slot. There is a PCI-mini (or whatever those super small PCI slot are called...). But I doubt we'll see a card that'll fit that anytime soon.

I'm actually pretty ok with just one card. When 4k TVs really come out, the newer cards will be good enough for me. And by then I'll better understand OCing. So I can get a new processer, a new card, water cool everything, and plug it all into my new 4k TV....

But that's not until the TV drop to about half what they are now and not until they figure out the whole HDMI thing (what's the point in a 4k TV if the cable can't even carry the signal)
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April 24, 2014 1:42:52 PM

Displayport technology can, actually, carry 4K signal @ 60FPS.
However, you need a DisplayPort monitor or TV to use that, and that's only currently available in expensive gaming monitors.
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April 24, 2014 8:30:00 PM

cst1992 said:
Displayport technology can, actually, carry 4K signal @ 60FPS.
However, you need a DisplayPort monitor or TV to use that, and that's only currently available in expensive gaming monitors.


Yeah. And that's what I mean by they need to work out the HDMI issue. Supposedly "somebody" is coming up with a version of HDMI that can handle 4k. But who knows when that will be out!
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April 24, 2014 8:31:57 PM

OH!!! I almost forgot. I had a bit of a surprise today....

Turns out my TV is 1080 (well, almost... after I scaled it it's like 1026). But I guess my PS4 just always ran at 720 because the TV isn't full 1080. But as soon as I started running this card, BAMM! Now I'm at near-1080! LOL

Another reason to get rid of my PS4.
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April 24, 2014 10:13:07 PM

You must be having a 1080i TV. It's lower quality than true 1080(1080p).
However it's good, as long as it looks good.
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April 24, 2014 11:29:40 PM

That CPU will be fine for a while, GPU will be your bottleneck for a long time, I have had the same 2nd gen i7 for 3 years and have changed only the GPU (6850, 670 and 780ti) and each new GPU felt like a new computer. My benchmarks are even very close to what review sites get using the same GPU but a much faster CPU.

New games like AC4/Titanfall/Witcher 3 + ultra settings challenge most GPU's @ 1080P let alone 2k (subtract 30% FPS results from 1080p) so forget about 4K (take 2k results and divide by 2).

The big dog on the block will be the person who can run new games @ 2k and/or 3 monitors with ultra settings and no FPS dips below 60. To be that person right now you are already talking a few thousand dollars in.

I am very happy I can max or close to most games @ 1080p because those settings just look great, upgrading to a 2k screen and loosing ~ 30% performance does not appeal to me at the moment, crisp visuals are the best but if the game isn't smooth you have to turn something down, but I do see a difference when turning down important features like AA/AO and Shadows.

A few in game graphic options don't make the game look that much better or worse but those tend to be the ones that don't change the performance much either.
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