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What are AMD and Intel going to do with desktop CPU's in the near future

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April 11, 2014 12:20:24 PM

Intel seems to going for lower power consumption and mobile processors in the following generations of CPU's.

AMD seems to giving up the fight against Intel in the high end desktop CPU's
They are stuck to the AM3+ socket, which brings perfect performance for overclocking, but with the PCIe gen.2.0 it is not an option for next gen. GPU's which will take almost maximum performance out of PCIe gen.3.0.

Intel's path looks to be clear, they are going for performance on a low TDP with the coming 14nm CPU's.

But AMD did not leaked anything to get a successor for the AM3+ socket.
I think they can get much better performance on a new socket, most likely to be AM4.
Will AMD release anything like AM4 for the enthusiasts like me?

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April 11, 2014 12:28:01 PM

I think I saw something about AMD doing 256-bit processors, to prep for the 256-bit operating systems. And I may have heard more cores, but BOTH of these are rumors that I heard about about a week ago.
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April 11, 2014 12:32:48 PM

AMD is focusing on apus, processors that have a gpu built on the chip. Through 2014 and i think 2015 too, they arent releasing anything new for the am3+. no new core architectures or sockets, except for the apus
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April 11, 2014 12:34:18 PM

Jacob McIntosh said:
I think I saw something about AMD doing 256-bit processors, to prep for the 256-bit operating systems. And I may have heard more cores, but BOTH of these are rumors that I heard about about a week ago.


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There's no use for anything beyond 64 bit for a while, since

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A 64-bit register can store 264 (over 18 quintillion or 1.8×1019) different values. Hence, a processor with 64-bit memory addresses can directly access 264 bytes (=16 exbibytes) of byte-addressable memory.




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April 12, 2014 6:17:12 AM

Jacob McIntosh said:
I think I saw something about AMD doing 256-bit processors, to prep for the 256-bit operating systems. And I may have heard more cores, but BOTH of these are rumors that I heard about about a week ago.


So we go just from a 64-bit processor to a 256-bit processor?, 64-bits is compatible with over 128 GB of RAM, even much more, I have only 4GB of RAM in my pc with an Intel Core i3 530 inside, and it works just fine.
but since I want much more performance for games and rendering, I'm getting a new PC in around 2 years from now.
With the SATA Express coming etc. I also don't want to spend extra money on an SSD that suports 6 GB/s, if 2 years later SATA Express comes with 16GB/s.

So AMD is now not the option for me because I don't want a APU if I don't use the graphics cores...
Looking to Intel... They are getting broadwell processors end this year/1st quarter next year, but the broadwell processors don't give much performance over haswell. With the skylake coming in 2016 (probably even later, maybe even 2017 because of issues.) it looks for me better to wait for skylake.

With only 4 GB of RAM I will need an upgrade, so I think I take 8 GB of RAM (That's maximum RAM amount for my MB) and a cheap SSD that gives me a performance boost for the next years. (I have SATA 3GB/s ports, so I won't use the full SSD...)
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April 12, 2014 6:49:47 AM

intel has haswell e being released in the second half of 2014 i think, atleast by 2015. it supports ddr4 and will be the best processor out. However, theres lots of performance there that normal users wont need. those processors are used for extreme gaming, or workstations where they need over 32gb ram (ddr4 will support even more ram over 4 channels also) and more pcie lanes. it depends on what you are using your compter for, you might not need to wait to upgrade. If the performance is barely boosted but at a high premium, i would just step back a generation of processors and get a good one
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April 12, 2014 9:44:54 AM

Well, both companies are focusing on the mobile market, at the moment. Intel has made minor gains in the desktop enthusiast department, since there isn't much competition - AMD has put those plans on holds while it re-adapts to the market shift.

Like other people have pointed out, AMD is focusing on combining architecture. Intel is advancing their CPUs in terms of form factor; with a focus on managing performance and power consumption.

Upcoming Broadwell will just be a die-shrink of Haswell - we'll see what Intel brings to the table with the next architecture shift. AMD's plans have been an arduous unfolding since they bought ATI. A lot of people thing that what Piledriver is now, is what Bulldozer should have been three years ago. Perhaps their right.
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April 12, 2014 11:10:57 AM

jshoop said:
intel has haswell e being released in the second half of 2014 i think, atleast by 2015. it supports ddr4 and will be the best processor out. However, theres lots of performance there that normal users wont need. those processors are used for extreme gaming, or workstations where they need over 32gb ram (ddr4 will support even more ram over 4 channels also) and more pcie lanes. it depends on what you are using your compter for, you might not need to wait to upgrade. If the performance is barely boosted but at a high premium, i would just step back a generation of processors and get a good one


I am on a €1.000/1.500 budget, so the 2011 (or haswell-E 2011-3) is not a good option for me.
The only thing is that I want to buy a new PC, but I'm only 17 years old, and my boss fired me today...
My parents tell me to wait 2 years because I also have to pay to get my driving license, and this pc works just fine for gaming and little rendering.
It all costs a lot of money in these days...
So the 1.500 is the max.

I was thinking if i buy a pc, that I would buy these components (after they come out)
CPU: Intel core I5-4690 (K) (I'm not sure if a K series processor from the haswell refresh line will release)
CPU cooler: Cooler master hyper212 evo
MB: MSI Z97 Gaming 5
RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR3 16GB 2400MHz (It's low priced, lower than 1866MHz modules) (For rendering and stuff)
Graphics card: MSI GTX 760 or 770.
120 GB SSD
3 TB HDD
Fractial design R4
Corsair CS650M

That wil cost me around €1.200
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April 12, 2014 12:22:12 PM

Intel is doing major improvement with their SIMD (skylake will support AVX512), cache (haswell l1 cache can almost hit 1Tbps) and ISA.

Most og this will mostlikely not have the best support when first arrived, but developers will ADD support for it as will compillers.

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