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April 13, 2014 5:04:34 PM

I've been looking to make a computer for a long time so just for fun and I looked up desktop on groupon and found this: https://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-hp-pavilion-desktop-wi.... Would I be able to get this and put a $100- $200 graphics card in and have a fully capable gaming PC? Or would it still not stand up to the more intense games. Also, here is a link with a picture of the interior of the desktop. http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/N82E16883250759. Also, i'm guessing I will need a better power supply and I am okay with that.

UPDATE: I found out this will run BF4 on high settings except for the graphics, which obviously wont run it. I would like something that can match high while keeping the price of the desktop ($370), the new power supply and the graphics card under $650 if possible, if it will not run BF4 on high that is okay, i just saw it was one of the most graphic demanding games out there
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April 13, 2014 6:21:22 PM

It would be able to run newer games. BF4 on high is optimistic, but with a new power supply and graphics card it would be a nice upgrade.

$650 though can build you a very nice custom built gaming computer which will perform better than this with an upgraded graphics card. The only thing it might require to build is Phillips head screwdriver.
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April 13, 2014 6:38:02 PM

I realize I can build one but I can't seem to make one that cheap without sacrifice ing quality in the CPU, graphics card, or ram could you try and make one if it isn't to much trouble for you?

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April 13, 2014 8:19:54 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($73.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $685.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-13 23:33 EDT-0400)

This is a tad over, but it was a little difficult to get it under $650 with that particular processor. If you downgrade to an Athlon 750K it would not be a large performance hit for the price.

This would be the next step down from that one saving a little money.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.19 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $661.09
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-13 23:30 EDT-0400)

Here's another step down.

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.19 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $631.09
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-13 23:28 EDT-0400)
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April 13, 2014 8:42:56 PM

But I was thinking I could get the other one good enough for less than 650, 650 being lax I would wanna pay since I do t have a job and can't spend a lot on a computer
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April 13, 2014 8:51:28 PM

Also, the price of the power supply plus graphics card added to the desktop is less than building one
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April 13, 2014 8:56:00 PM

That is true. That computer would work well for what you seek. Just make sure to upgrade the power supply with the video card. Something like a 750Ti or even a 750 would work well. You might not need a new power supply with the 750 but I would upgrade it anyway for good measure.
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April 13, 2014 8:57:48 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $699.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-13 23:55 EDT-0400)

Mine is a little over the $650 too, but still cheaper than the prebuilt + upgrades, and is overclockable up to @4.2-4.3MHz which will much improve performance.
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April 13, 2014 9:13:40 PM

I'd say go with the top one that deemo13 mentioned. It has an ASUS motherboard, which will be good quality, as they're premier in the business. I've heard bad things about ASRock.
Three flaws I see with the HP PC:
- It has a APU. That APU has an inbuilt graphics card, which is a bit stronger than integrated, but still not very strong. If you use a graphics card, that GPU will be wasted; and the CPU part of that isn't very strong either.
- It's refurbished. Not that I'm saying it'll trash after a month, but getting parts new is always better.
- Its graphics card slot doesn't have a locking mechanism(Wonder what mobo that thing has). That means that it may happen that if the case moves when the computer is on, the graphics card can move. It shouldn't.
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April 13, 2014 9:22:34 PM

There are much cheaper alternatives than what these others are suggesting.

This ($540) would outperform the prebuilt+upgraded GPU/PSU.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.19 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M Pro4+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar MG100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $542.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 00:20 EDT-0400)
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April 13, 2014 9:37:32 PM

The 430W PSU doesn't leave any upgrade room.
Hard Drive's only 500GB.
And mobo is ASRock.
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April 13, 2014 9:44:12 PM

Is there something wrong with ASRock?
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April 13, 2014 9:49:15 PM

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The 430W PSU doesn't leave any upgrade room.
Hard Drive's only 500GB.
And mobo is ASRock.


Asrock is very highly reviewed and reliable.
For that price what kind of HDD can you expect?

I don't think you realize how restrictive of a budget that is.
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April 13, 2014 10:36:30 PM

ASRock was a subsidiary of ASUS before they split off. Their motherboards are great.
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April 13, 2014 10:51:42 PM

Deemo13 said:
ASRock was a subsidiary of ASUS before they split off. Their motherboards are great.


I agree. ASRock has been putting some great hardware out there over the last year or so.
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April 13, 2014 10:55:27 PM

I've just had replied to a thread where a guy is replacing his ASRock motherboard because he's got a buggy PCI-E port and 2 dead USB3.0 ports. If you're getting ASUS directly, why go for ASRock?
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April 13, 2014 10:57:25 PM

Rationale said:

For that price what kind of HDD can you expect?

I don't think you realize how restrictive of a budget that is.


The guy is already replacing his PSU. If we tell him if he wants to get a good card like the 270x or GTX 770 he'll need to get a new PSU, what's the use then? Games are getting demanding.
Your own build easily leaves enough room to get a better hard drive and power supply.
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April 13, 2014 10:58:50 PM

So one person has a defect board and that condemns an entire company? If that the case you probably hate every company that creates components for computers.
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April 13, 2014 11:04:47 PM

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So one person has a defect board and that condemns an entire company? If that the case you probably hate every company that creates components for computers.


I'm not hating anyone, I'm just saying go with better brands if you can help it. If any parts do turn out to be defective we're the ones who'll have to take the blame. "Hey cst you recommended me that part and it turned out to be defective".
Blaming an entire company for one bad part isn't fair, I know. But I haven't heard any such things about ASUS or Gigabyte boards, so I recommend them.
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April 13, 2014 11:10:51 PM

I'm not trying to combat you. I just don't like seeing people put down hardware especially a brand like ASRock who has really come into their own. You know as well as I, daily we see hate from and for Nvidia and AMD but neither is bad it just depends on what you prefer. When it comes to brands EVGA, MSI, Asus... so on no matter the hardware it's comes down to those of us who can help to make suggestion but not to put companies down for an occasion defective part cause even the biggest names out there with the best parts sometimes send out a bad part or it gets damaged on the road.
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April 13, 2014 11:16:04 PM

True.

I personally prefer NVIDIA cards over AMD for a couple of reasons, but hey, AMD cards work too, and they actually give better performance/dollar.
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April 14, 2014 12:43:53 AM

Yeah... I have an ASUS board that's in the process of dying. It's not a good idea to rate entire companies on one, or even a few, example(s).

I put in low specs because the person said he's unemployed and the most he can possibly spend is $650, and he would prefer less. That makes all the builds for $670-$700 that got posted unlikely to work out. I got the price as low as I possibly could, cutting corners everywhere that it was safe.

It may be possible to cut the RAM to 4GB, saving $20 and putting it toward a better PSU. For $55 he could get a decent 550w model that'd open up the possibility of upgrading at least one tier in the same generation. And it'd be simple just to add an identical stick of RAM later for 8GB.

It's also worth noting that the 500GB drive could be supplemented with a second 500GB drive if he gets an extra $50 in the coming months or years. HDDs and RAM are items that can be upgraded bit by bit, not like CPUs or GPUs that almost always have to be replaced to be upgraded.

Ofc, he's still good for cross-generation upgrades on a 430w PSU. For example, from a GTX 550 to a GTX 750. Or from an HD 6670 to an HD 7670. Just not many same-generation upgrades, unless power use drops with the 8xx series like it's supposed to.
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April 14, 2014 5:57:38 AM

I changed some things around so that it is a full size mother board and case, as well as a 1TB hard drive


[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3rwgN) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3rwgN/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3rwgN/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
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**CPU** | [AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad760kwohlbox) | $84.73 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** | [ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-fm2a88x...) | $79.98 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-khx1600c10...) | $54.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-driv...) | $54.98 @ OutletPC
**Video Card** | [MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r7260x2gd5o...) | $119.99 @ Micro Center
**Case** | [Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc912kk...) | $53.99 @ Mwave
**Power Supply** | [Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430) | $19.99 @ Newegg
**Optical Drive** | [Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24f1...) | $14.99 @ Newegg
**Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050) | $89.98 @ OutletPC
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $573.62
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 08:53 EDT-0400 |
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Tip: use the BBCode markup instead of the PCPartPicker/Reddit Markup. Looks much cleaner, easier to read.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $573.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 11:36 EDT-0400)
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $639.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 11:53 EDT-0400)

A CPU cooler
a kit of 2x4GB RAM's instead of a single 8GB, allowing for dual channel
A case having front USB 3.0 ports(2x)
A 600W power supply(CX600)
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cst1992 said:
Tip: use the BBCode markup instead of the PCPartPicker/Reddit Markup. Looks much cleaner, easier to read.
Here, done that for you:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $573.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 11:36 EDT-0400)
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BTW, I have made some modifications to this, and this is what I came up with:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $639.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 11:53 EDT-0400)

A CPU cooler
a kit of 2x4GB RAM's instead of a single 8GB, allowing for dual channel
A case having front USB 3.0 ports(2x)
A 600W power supply(CX600)



I picked the Cooler Master case because it is one of the high air flow models so i wouldn't need the CPU cooler. Also, i most likely won't be using the full 8 GB while playing a game so I am fine with the cheaper one stick
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April 14, 2014 12:33:50 PM

Unless someone has a better idea while staying around this price (+/- about $25) im gonna go with this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $573.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-14 15:33 EDT-0400)
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April 14, 2014 1:57:53 PM

I'd urge you to get a kit of 2 RAM sticks instead of one, you'll have the same 8GB you had otherwise, but you'll get around 12GB/s speed out of your RAM instead of 6 GB/s.
Another thing is that the CM doesn't have support for usb 3.0 front ports. So a modern pen drive or an external hard disk won't be utilized to their full capacity. I get around 90 MB/s transfer speeds when using my laptop with USB 3.0, whereas only 25 MB/s with USB 2.0.
And if budget allows, the 600W version of the Corsair Builder CX series.
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April 14, 2014 5:36:17 PM

the memory Op chose is CAS 10, slower than the CAS 9 of the Vengeance. Also it is single channel, 1 stick, not dual channel 2-sticks. What you are looking at OP, is really slow memory, and that's going to affect everything from opening windows, opening apps, playing games, clicking on a jpg... everything will be slower.
Spend the extra $10 on This

Airflow in a case is a practice in reducing ambient temperatures inside the case, allowing heatsinks to work at a more efficient rate. Having a case with good airflow just means that the cpu cooler will work better, as its base temp is lower, so while you have a decent idea, in practice its not. CPU temps are fast heat, and in the space of seconds can go from 30C to 90C. There is no way case airflow can accommodate that, or dissipate it. The 760K is a really good overclockable CPU. Its what AMD is made for, but I'd advise against any sort of OC, considering the already high clock speed is going to raise CPU temp enough to start taxing the stock cooler, which while ok, is not exactly a performance model.
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the memory Op chose is CAS 10, slower than the CAS 9 of the Vengeance. Also it is single channel, 1 stick, not dual channel 2-sticks. What you are looking at OP, is really slow memory, and that's going to affect everything from opening windows, opening apps, playing games, clicking on a jpg... everything will be slower.
Spend the extra $10 on This

Airflow in a case is a practice in reducing ambient temperatures inside the case, allowing heatsinks to work at a more efficient rate. Having a case with good airflow just means that the cpu cooler will work better, as its base temp is lower, so while you have a decent idea, in practice its not. CPU temps are fast heat, and in the space of seconds can go from 30C to 90C. There is no way case airflow can accommodate that, or dissipate it. The 760K is a really good overclockable CPU. Its what AMD is made for, but I'd advise against any sort of OC, considering the already high clock speed is going to raise CPU temp enough to start taxing the stock cooler, which while ok, is not exactly a performance model.


So your saying to get a better ram and invest In a CPU cooler?
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April 14, 2014 9:36:46 PM

The extra $10 for the better memory is worth it. If you honestly feel you can't swing for the CPU cooler, that's ok, just don't try to OC until you can. The hyper212 EVO is hands down the absolute best cooler in its price range, which comparatively is cheap. Do what you can with what you have to work with, its always a shame to see what could be a really good budget build become a boat anchor because of a few dollars difference.
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April 14, 2014 10:49:48 PM

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The extra $10 for the better memory is worth it. If you honestly feel you can't swing for the CPU cooler, that's ok, just don't try to OC until you can. The hyper212 EVO is hands down the absolute best cooler in its price range, which comparatively is cheap. Do what you can with what you have to work with, its always a shame to see what could be a really good budget build become a boat anchor because of a few dollars difference.

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Karadjgne said:
The extra $10 for the better memory is worth it. If you honestly feel you can't swing for the CPU cooler, that's ok, just don't try to OC until you can. The hyper212 EVO is hands down the absolute best cooler in its price range, which comparatively is cheap. Do what you can with what you have to work with, its always a shame to see what could be a really good budget build become a boat anchor because of a few dollars difference.


Is this better?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master DK9-7E52A-0L-GP CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $588.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-15 12:24 EDT-0400)
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April 15, 2014 11:13:32 AM

Problems:
1. CPU cooler is too weak. That cooler has a TDP of 65W whereas the CPU you selected consumes 100W. I'm willing to bet AMD's stock cooler is more powerful than that. The Hyper 212 Evo that's $30 has a max TDP of 180W.
2. Your case has no USB 3.0 ports, as I've said earlier already.
3. You should really go with a better PSU if you can help it.

If I may say this, I think you're going for the cheapest one the site shows, to save as much money as possible.
Don't follow that approach. Fix a budget such that even if that budget is reached, you won't mind spending it.
Go for high quality parts initially, leaving room(like a more powerful power supply than you really need, in the worst case, it'll atleast give you room to upgrade). Then if the price exceeds your budget, then start turning down the parts notch by notch( such as a 770->760->270x->270 get my point?) until they fit your budget. That'll ensure you get a balanced build, and help you avoid cut corners in the wrong places.
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April 15, 2014 4:31:43 PM

cst1992 said:
Problems:
1. CPU cooler is too weak. That cooler has a TDP of 65W whereas the CPU you selected consumes 100W. I'm willing to bet AMD's stock cooler is more powerful than that. The Hyper 212 Evo that's $30 has a max TDP of 180W.
2. Your case has no USB 3.0 ports, as I've said earlier already.
3. You should really go with a better PSU if you can help it.

If I may say this, I think you're going for the cheapest one the site shows, to save as much money as possible.
Don't follow that approach. Fix a budget such that even if that budget is reached, you won't mind spending it.
Go for high quality parts initially, leaving room(like a more powerful power supply than you really need, in the worst case, it'll atleast give you room to upgrade). Then if the price exceeds your budget, then start turning down the parts notch by notch( such as a 770->760->270x->270 get my point?) until they fit your budget. That'll ensure you get a balanced build, and help you avoid cut corners in the wrong places.


This is still a little bit over the budget i was hoping for but I can make do if there is nothing i can do. I am okay with not having the USB ports if that just means slower dowloading on/off a pen drive. Here is the new list:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($21.97 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $636.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-15 19:27 EDT-0400)

UPDATE: I am considering using windows 8.1 they are same price though
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April 15, 2014 9:18:44 PM

Thumbs up!
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April 15, 2014 10:31:02 PM

Should be fine.
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April 16, 2014 4:29:42 PM

Does anyone have any recommendations for a different case with cable management, looks nice and that has a black interior vs the silver? Just thought it may look nicer but its not a big concern
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This is the Final:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Masscool Fanner-420 2g Thermal Paste ($2.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($135.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $668.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-17 20:10 EDT-0400)
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April 17, 2014 6:44:57 PM

That, is a balanced build. Congrats and have some fun with the build :D 
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April 18, 2014 12:28:44 AM

Nice. Have fun.
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