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Hi,
I have had the problem for a long time where I can plug in any usb mouse and try to play any fps game or even just general use (windows, desktop) none of them seem to track how they are meant to.

the mice are fine I have about 5 gaming mice and a couple of standard USB mice, I'm struggling to find the cause I have updated drivers etc. but have had no luck.

one thing that has happened is that when I was practically forced to do a windows update the mouse sensitivity changed.

is there anything I can try both hardware and software wise (running Windows 7 64 bit) that may help my problem

many thanks.
 
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what surface are you using the mice on?
how do they work on other computers and surfaces?
what exactly is the issue in detail?
what are your sensitivity/dpi/speed settings?
are you using multiple softwares/drivers installed on one pc for mice?

generally list everything you can.
 
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none of them feel exactly 1-1 to my movement even with the MarkC fix correctly setup, I can aim in-game to a certain degree but it's not spot on.

sometimes it feels like it over aims for me or under aims, no consistency much like acceleration but out of the 5 mice I have tried it happens with all and they are different sensors none with hardware acceleration built in
 
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I have three different mouse pads: Razer Goliathus speed edition, Razer Sphex, Madcatz GLIDE3, have tried all mice on all three surfaces including desks etc.
none of my mice feel natural, I'm certain as in-game I have to keep changing sensitivities to adjust but nothing feels right, im conscious of this because when I started PC gaming about a year and a half ago I felt fine my mouse aim was great and had no problem with using any setting and not changing it ever again.
Most of my mice range from 400-8200DPI I generally like (800,1000,1200) I have tried the mouse-sensitivity website to adjust DPI and settings in-game to match different mice and also match different sensitivities for different FPS games.

there are multiple drivers currently (around two) however I recently reinstalled Windows 7 to check whether it was Windows playing up, but tried installing each and every mouse at a time whilst wiping old drivers to notice any difference but I still had the same problem.

its very hard to explain because it feels like I must be the only person to have had this problem I nor anyone else can think what is wrong exactly, I'm sure it's not placebo as before I was fine, however I'm unsure as to what has caused this.

my main thought is maybe as I have changed quite a few components that maybe some hardware isn't working correctly or is clashing somehow causing some kind of interference or something (really not sure)
 
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unfortunately I don't think it is, I have tried 125,250,500,1000mhz on a few of my mice and I am sure that it isn't lag as they feel like they are all very responsive to my movement..

thanks for the suggestion though
 
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in your windows mouse settings is mouse acceleration turned on? (this is the checkbox for "enhance pointer precision" under pointer options.

what mouse acceleration does is the faster you move your mouse on the pad the faster your mouse moves on screen. for instance if you move 4 inches in 2 seconds it might scroll across your screen but if you move that same 4" in 15 seconds it might scroll 1/2 the way across the screen.

as for 1:1 movement do you mean you want 1 inch of mousepad movement to equal 1 inch of screen movement? with mouse acceleration off and with properly adjusted dpi/mouse speed this is possible.
 
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what do you mean the mice do not feel natural? describe the sensation the best you can.

it sounds like maybe you have acceleration on.

also realize that the mouse may react different in windows, in game#1 and game#2. you might need to tweak in game settings so they all match up if that is what you like.

also realize in games you can adjust vertical and horizontal sensitivies to different values. for instance 1" vertical could move 20% across the screen vertically but 1" horizontal could move 50% across the screen horizontally. make sure you dont have any wonky settings in the game.

again... you need to describe what the issue is as right now its hard to tell what your actual problem is.
 
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all acceleration is Completely off, enchanced is off, it kind of feels like acceleration but with enhanced off and the fix used to remove acceleration worked fine.

I know ingame it feels different but in either it doesn't feel right. basically no sensitivity feels right either on the desktop or in any game at all, I can use the mice they work but they just feel slightly off with accuracy.

basically 1-1 movement the same movement on my mousepad as on screen, I used to use 800DPI before I had this problem and it felt perfect just for general desktop use and ingames, basically 1-1 movement as in I don't need to change the DPI at all (higher/lower) it feels perfect to my hand/eye coordination.

basically my problem is every single USB mouse I use either laser or optical regardless of surface none have 100% accuracy, they feel about 90-95% there but in-games they sometimes feel like they over extend the crosshairs or under aim, basically there is no right setting it feels like no matter how high or low the dpi is there is no even "good" setting which is the strange part.

I thought maybe I had just got rusty and had to be really picky with my sensitivity but no it's just not right at the minute
 
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if no sensitivy feels right are you sure that its not just you being overly picky? honestly it sounds to me like you just havent found your happy medium setting yet.

if you want high accuracy then you want to use higher dpi and counter this with lower mouse speed. this will make your mouse more able to track fine movement. keep in mind that high dpi can sometimes cause jitter if your hands shake.

also keep in mind if you keep flip flopping mice instead of sticking with just one... you will never settle on anything. pick one and adjust it in.
 
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I'm definitely sure it's not me or my aim, especially now after what I've just discovered. I decided to plug in my Dualshock 4 Controller into my PC, I had to install the Microsoft Xbox 360 drivers then use a program called DS4TOOL. I loaded up Black Ops 2 on Steam and began to use the controller, after a little while I started to use my mouse again with controller plugged in still. straight away I noticed something different that I could aim properly and it felt way more natural.

I thought maybe it was because of it feels like it's using the controllers input instead, I decided that to check whether or not the controller had anything to do with it I loaded up Battlefield 4 and again noticed when using the mouse it felt a lot better.
the movement isn't perfect at the moment due to high sensitivity/DPI but is still a lot more playable.

unfortunately only a few games actually support controllers, obviously because they are all on the PC. I'm not sure what has happened maybe my mouse peripherals are all being read wrong by my pc in device manager. is there anyway I could just use my mouse with no controller plugged in to make it normal again?

many thanks
 
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ds4tool and a controller shouldnt be affecting anything though.

i have motioninjoy (i use a ps3 controller on the pc) and it doesnt make any changes for my mouse even in games.

the program is meant to only allow the controller to work on windows and only has settings for the controller to operate and be programmed. it should have nothing to do with your mouse.

another thing to note: you do not use auto-aim or other such "helping" features in the games do you (and did you in the past)?

i'm still not sure what you mean about the mouse movement not feeling right. fixing mouse movement on screen to mouse movement on pad is easy (just a simple speed adjust or sometimes a minor dpi adjust with speed adjust) but it seems like you think something else is wrong. is the mouse jittery? does it seem to lag? does it not seem accurate to the inputs you seem to be making?

also have you tried the mice on a different system, on a plain black pad?
 
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I've only ever used aim assist back on the Xbox 360 like 2 years ago, the mice move in the right direction and that and even though I feel that I do have my sensitivity a little too fast. but it's like the last part of your sentence where it doesn't feel entirely accurate to the inputs I make, when I had the DS4 on and enabled in Black Ops 2 the mouse was making the exact movements and tracking targets (both moving and stationery) easy although the sensitivity was a little higher I left it but still felt easily playable.

it does feel when I have the controller disconnected that the mouse feels accelerated or deaccelerated, it feels as if I have the 7/11 and the 5/11 option selected within the pointer options when playing in any FPS game.
I have tried altering my DPI and ingame values but previously mentioned there felt as if at any setting even the most comfortable to my natural aim just wouldn't track targets.

I have tried the mice on a different system with a black surface and they feel fine, I own three mouse pads 2 black (Razer Goliathus, Sphex) and a grey/red mouse pad by Madcatz (GLIDE3) all seem fine just a bit different in thickness and smoothness.
 
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have you tried using the exact same settings that you did on the other computer which you said worked fine?
including exact windows settings, mouse driver settings and ingame settings (keep in mind this would only work if you have the same monitor resolution)

also... i'm using windows 7 as well and just did a mouse acceleration test: i moved the mouse slowly from one side of the screen to the other and then moved it fast and it resulted in the same distance on the mouspad showing that mouse acceleration is disabled. i have also had zero trouble in games including some from the 00's (ut3 & gw1) and even some from the 90's (ta & sc) so i honestly havent ever come across the issue you seem to have.

i think i need to clarify something here: the windows setting for "enhance pointer precision" removes VARIABLE acceleration. meaning that different speeds of mouse movement on pad resulted in far different movements on screen. the faster you moved the mouse the more the mouse sped up in a non-equal way.

your windows mouse speed (well... any mouse speed setting in general... even in games and your software) changes the ratio of your physical mouse movement to your on screen movement which i suppose could be called mouse acceleration.

i looked up windows 7 mouse acceleration fix and it almost sounds as if the fix is not designed to fix what you are expecting it to

If you don't know you need it, then you don't need it!

Some older games, such as Half-Life 1, Counter-Strike 1.x, Quake, Quake 2, Unreal and others, while they are active and running, call a Windows function intending to disable variable mouse acceleration by forcing ALL movement to be accelerated by the same amount (doubled).
On Windows 2000 and earlier, that removed all variable acceleration.
Pointing and aiming in those games was OK, because the mouse response was then linear (all movement was accelerated by the same amount; it was doubled).
Click to expand...

it seems like the fix is focused on certain older games which cause mouse speed to shoot way up for those particular games even though you have mouse acceleration off only due to the way they are coded. the hotfix is supposed to remedy this. having the hotfix when it doesnt benefit you could be throwing a wrench into the machine (do you need it? is the doubling of speed compared with all new games and windows itself really your problem)

 
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thanks for the reply, i'm assuming you recommend me to undo the fix. I will do that now and repost with the results, fingers crossed it works
 
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Hi i undone the fix but had no real effect, to definitely make sure it is my PC. I've ordered a CronusMax device whuch lets you use a
mouse & keyboard on the PS4. hopefully on trying it out then it should definitely show whether it is right or not
 
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