What is better?

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

What is better and why is the Asus card a lot more expensive?

http://www.ebuyer.com/521081-asus-gtx-780-directcu-ii-3gb-gddr5-dual-dvi-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-gtx780-dc2oc-3gd5

http://www.ebuyer.com/538381-msi-nvidia-gtx-780-gaming-902mhz-6008mhz-3072mb-384-bit-ddr5-hdmi-dvi-i-n780-tf-3gd5-oc

http://www.cclonline.com/product/132053/GV-N780OC-3GD-REV2/Graphics-Cards/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-780-Overclocked-with-WINDFORCE-3GB-Graphics-Card-PCI-E-DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort-Rev-2-0-/VGA2097/
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-218-EA

Also what is a good case, power supply and and a cpu coooler? Are these good?

Case: Silverstone TJ04B-E Black Aluminum Mid Tower Performance Case w/o PSU

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i Low Profile CPU Cooler for Intel LGA 115x All

PSU: Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 CP-9020042-UK 750W Power Supply (PSU)

Thanks

STACKS ON DECK · Apr 15, 2014

i will go with ASUS . . stable at OC and cool and little quiet then MSI

lfkfkfkffs · Apr 15, 2014

Asus kind of had a weird idea when they priced that card. It was something the people who do the product reviews kind of predicted. The only features that really make it cost more is it comes aggressively overclocked out of the boxed, the only other thing really is how quite the card is and how much more you can actually push the card vs some of the others for cooling while also keeping the noise down. I think this is mostly because of their CoolTech Fan which draws air directly over the components. really other than that I really don't see it worth the extra 50 to be honest.

Kekoh · Apr 15, 2014

The ASUS is marked up on other models as well. I think it's just because of their cooling system, the DirectCU II.

For the case, I would get something with better airflow, just because it's nice to have. Something like the CM HAF 922 would be good, and also cheaper than the one you selected. The Silverstone is $150, and you could get a CM Storm Trooper for that money.

Also, you should consider a different CPU cooler.. do you really need a low profile cooler with that case? I'm pretty sure larger coolers would fit, like a Hyper 212 EVO. The EVO would be better at cooling, and cheaper as well. Plus, with that difference in price, you could throw in some good thermal paste. Prolimatech PK-1 is my personal fav, but a lot of people use Arctic Silver.

Karadjgne · Apr 15, 2014

I'm a big fan of Asus, have been for years, but in this case, the MSI is the better value.

The tj04-e is a good case, just about everything Silverstone is, its also very large for a mid-tower, not much smaller than a full tower. Which makes me wonder why you'd go for a low profile cooler, one that was designed for small form factor cases like htpc's and slims? The NH-D14/15, Hyper212 EVO, phanteks are full towers and much more effective and appropriate for your case.

TX V2 are quite good, among Corsairs better psu's

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

Kekoh :

The ASUS is marked up on other models as well. I think it's just because of their cooling system, the DirectCU II.

For the case, I would get something with better airflow, just because it's nice to have. Something like the CM HAF 922 would be good, and also cheaper than the one you selected. The Silverstone is $150, and you could get a CM Storm Trooper for that money.

Also, you should consider a different CPU cooler.. do you really need a low profile cooler with that case? I'm pretty sure larger coolers would fit, like a Hyper 212 EVO. The EVO would be better at cooling, and cheaper as well. Plus, with that difference in price, you could throw in some good thermal paste. Prolimatech PK-1 is my personal fav, but a lot of people use Arctic Silver.

Let's forget about the money. Should i buy a water/liquid cooling cpu cooler

STACKS ON DECK · Apr 15, 2014

liquid cooling is good but it depends in what scenario you are working in . OC percentage and some internal temps issues which hinder air cooling performance

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

STACKS ON DECK :

So for oc liquid cooling is better?

STACKS ON DECK · Apr 15, 2014

little better then air cooling . . but i mentioned another factor of airflow inside

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

STACKS ON DECK :

Where?

Kekoh · Apr 15, 2014

Alon_Ofer :

Honestly, water cooling is pretty useless on a CPU unless you plan on significantly overclocking it. All you need is a decent air cooler and good thermal paste. For example, my i7 3770K comes at 3.9GHz stock, but I have it overclocked to 4.5 GHz with extra voltage. When stress testing it only hits ~65C, and never goes above ~55 during regular use.

If you are going to get a water cooling setup, get a full custom loop. The standalone coolers like the H100i aren't really that great. However, getting a custom loop requires a bit more effort, plus there is maintenance, but it is the best cooling solution.

STACKS ON DECK · Apr 15, 2014

Alon_Ofer :

STACKS ON DECK said:
"liquid cooling is good but it depends in what scenario you are working in . OC percentage and some internal temps issues which hinder air cooling performance"

thats where . . water cooling is a cool option if you can spend more

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

Karadjgne :

Kekoh :

Shall i get a better one?

Kekoh · Apr 15, 2014

Alon_Ofer :

A better what?

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

Karadjgne :

Shall i get a better one?

Alon_Ofer · Apr 15, 2014

Kekoh :

Sorry i meant to ask you if the evo 212 comes with thermal paster

Kekoh · Apr 15, 2014

Alon_Ofer :

Yeah, it comes with some CM branded thermal paste. I doubt it's as good as some of the regular brands that people buy, but if you don't plan on overclocking much it will do its job fine.

Karadjgne · Apr 16, 2014

1. CLC's work just the same as any air cooler, they just do it in a different location. They have advantages and disadvantages, just like air coolers. Advantages being: Ram clearance for pump, better case temps/airflow, better cpu cooling. Disadvantages: Possible leak, higher VRM temps, pump failure.
Aircoolers have the exact opposite. Whether you wish to use a CLC is a personal choice, personally I love mine, i5-3570k OC from 3.4 to 4.2 stressed at 64C, normal usage doesn't see 40C, idle at 30C. Its also dead silent, even under stress its barely audible and is used as a top exhaust, so vents any heat out of the case, not into it.

2. The thermal paste that comes stock on the CoolerMaster heatsinks is actually quite good, ranking about in the middle of the pack when it comes to pastes. Arctic Silver, Prolimatech, Noctua are really good pastes, but only drop the temp 3-5C on average. With a cooler as efficient as the Hyper212 EVO, even at a moderate OC, this won't be significant.

3. My Opinions

CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme 99.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($479.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case ($88.19 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.53 @ NCIX US)

chodamoyer · Sep 21, 2014

I went the TJ04-e and NH-D15 air cooling route, it fits and is perfect match with my evga 780. Perhaps asus has a better 780, but at this point it's mute. The 980 is what you'd want to get now. But still the tj04-e from 2012 is imo still the best case if you have a lot of 3.5in drives and can get a short 160mm power supply like the corsair ax860i so you can still fit in your 6x2.5in ssd drive cage. simply incredible the amount of upgradeablity the tj04-e has and yet it doesn't have cheap plastic or look like a kids toy.l

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/zb2RsY

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