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April 16, 2014 10:14:12 AM

hey guys, i got fps drops and laggy games even on low settings.. all my drivers is updated.. i have just reinstalled my computer and i put os into a faster drive to speed up my computer.. the disk is completely free for errors. And when i changed my cpu and gpu i didnt remove the old Thermal Paste and i didnt take so much new Thermal Paste on it, but the temperatures is normal i guess, since the cpu temperature is 40C.. so could that be a problem? i have order a new Thermal Paste... and gonna clean my computer and cpu.

Here is one video i made for u guys, in the beginning of the video is a huge fps drop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P3euV900Rs

Specs :

specs
xfx r9 280x - NEW
amd fx 6300 - NEW
CM vortex plus
corsair tx750W
seagate momentus XT 5400 rpm
seagate 2 tb
gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
corsair 8gb RAM

sorry my bad english, i hope you'll understand...

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April 16, 2014 10:17:57 AM

Is your monitor hooked up to the mobo or GPU?
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April 16, 2014 10:18:55 AM

chicken4thewin said:
Is your monitor hooked up to the mobo or GPU?


On the gpu..

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April 16, 2014 10:22:25 AM

haugabodl97 said:
chicken4thewin said:
Is your monitor hooked up to the mobo or GPU?


On the gpu..



Maybe it's your router that's the problem and you are just having problems with the bandwidth/ ping.
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April 16, 2014 10:23:52 AM

Whats your Internet speed and ping ?
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April 16, 2014 10:24:03 AM

chicken4thewin said:
haugabodl97 said:
chicken4thewin said:
Is your monitor hooked up to the mobo or GPU?


On the gpu..



Maybe it's your router that's the problem and you are just having problems with the bandwidth/ ping.


The router is good,my ping is always normal.. so i dont know anymore what could be the problem...

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April 16, 2014 10:26:51 AM

you may wanna lower settings in the game.
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April 16, 2014 10:27:48 AM

kapitalistas said:
you may wanna lower settings in the game.


it's laggy on low settings to, and my specs should take games in ultra and high!

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April 16, 2014 10:33:50 AM

Fps drops like that are from data streaming and loading its an open world but only renders withing an area around you when it loads a large chunk it causes those stutters.
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April 16, 2014 10:39:45 AM

Then why did you post wow as your video? Anyway. Latest bios? Virus and malware scan. All drivers updated. Has your system always struggled or just recently
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April 16, 2014 10:43:47 AM

Avocade said:
Then why did you post wow as your video? Anyway. Latest bios? Virus and malware scan. All drivers updated. Has your system always struggled or just recently


just an example..
my latest bios for the mobo is f8a, it's a beta bios.. but i had this problem with the old bios,cpu,gpu... my drivers is updated.. i updated bios via gigabyte and put it into a disk and updated in bios.. my gpu drive is 14.3, the newest one.

and i just reinstalled windows into a faster hard drive, and format every drive.

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April 16, 2014 10:52:06 AM

haugabodl97 said:
kapitalistas said:
you may wanna lower settings in the game.


it's laggy on low settings to, and my specs should take games in ultra and high!

i doubt that .just saying.:)  in bf4 your may wanna turn aliasing , motion bluer turn to zero, synchronization off and on low settings then try play with resolution scale and you will see big improvement .:)  been there done that.

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April 16, 2014 11:02:07 AM

kapitalistas said:
haugabodl97 said:
kapitalistas said:
you may wanna lower settings in the game.


it's laggy on low settings to, and my specs should take games in ultra and high!

i doubt that .just saying.:)  in bf4 your may wanna turn aliasing , motion bluer turn to zero, synchronization off and on low settings then try play with resolution scale and you will see big improvement .:)  been there done that.



I know.. but no help for me doing it.. :) 
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April 16, 2014 11:02:09 AM

kapitalistas said:
haugabodl97 said:
kapitalistas said:
you may wanna lower settings in the game.


it's laggy on low settings to, and my specs should take games in ultra and high!

i doubt that .just saying.:)  in bf4 your may wanna turn aliasing , motion bluer turn to zero, synchronization off and on low settings then try play with resolution scale and you will see big improvement .:)  been there done that.



I know.. but no help for me doing it.. :) 
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April 16, 2014 11:23:37 AM

Do some basics first then tell us the results:

Download and run SPECCY, copy and paste the first tab to confirm your idle temps
Download and run MSI Afterburner, run some of the games, what confirmed temps are you getting while in game?
Open Computer, Can Air dust out the bunnies and use paint brush on the vents, coolers, fans, etc. if you haven't in the past 30 days.

Did you install all Windows Updates? Including options except BING? Check them and repeat till ALL are installed.

Download and run Slim Drivers, install all the latest updates but you don't need to reboot until you do the last update

Remove whatever AV your using and go to www.filehippo.com and download AVAST! or AVG and do a full system scan - this repeatedly has resolved alot of people issue relying on MS Essentials.

Download Malwarebytes do a full system scan (AV doesn't pick up alot of malware) - this resolved almost ALL other similiar posts to date as most had Malware the AV didn't pick up.
Repeat the AV/Malware scans till the system comes up clean.

Please do each step and provide the feedback on each. Many times one of these tend to suddenly "resolve instantly" the issues.
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April 16, 2014 11:31:41 AM

Tom Tancredi said:
Do some basics first then tell us the results:

Download and run SPECCY, copy and paste the first tab to confirm your idle temps
Download and run MSI Afterburner, run some of the games, what confirmed temps are you getting while in game?
Open Computer, Can Air dust out the bunnies and use paint brush on the vents, coolers, fans, etc. if you haven't in the past 30 days.

Did you install all Windows Updates? Including options except BING? Check them and repeat till ALL are installed.


Download and run Slim Drivers, install all the latest updates but you don't need to reboot until you do the last update

Remove whatever AV your using and go to www.filehippo.com and download AVAST! or AVG and do a full system scan - this repeatedly has resolved alot of people issue relying on MS Essentials.

Download Malwarebytes do a full system scan (AV doesn't pick up alot of malware) - this resolved almost ALL other similiar posts to date as most had Malware the AV didn't pick up.
Repeat the AV/Malware scans till the system comes up clean.

Please do each step and provide the feedback on each. Many times one of these tend to suddenly "resolve instantly" the issues.




Operating System
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD FX-6300 30 °C
Vishera 32nm Technology
RAM
8,00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 671MHz (4-5-5-15)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-970A-UD3 (Socket M2) 32 °C
Graphics
BenQ G2420HD (1920x1080@60Hz)
2436 (1920x1080@60Hz)
3072MB ATI AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (XFX Pine Group) 41 °C
Storage
1863GB Seagate ST2000DL003-9VT166 ATA Device (SATA) 30 °C
465GB Seagate ST9500325AS ATA Device (SATA) 32 °C
Optical Drives
ATAPI iHAS124 B ATA Device
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio


I have installed all updates after the reinstall..

gonna reply after all the tests.


im gonna clean the whole computer for dust tomorrow when i get the new thermal paste. Since i didnt remove the old one and just put a little bit of the new thermal paste.....

UPDATE : Everything is now updated after SlimDrivers
Now i have scanned the whole computer and removed every thread with AVAST and MALWARE

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April 17, 2014 8:14:23 AM

Still no difference..... Need help!!
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April 17, 2014 8:17:57 AM

did you overclocked any hardware of yours.:) 
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April 17, 2014 8:19:28 AM

kapitalistas said:
did you overclocked any hardware of yours.:) 


The gpu, but wasnt any difference so i underclocked it to stock again... But it the computer is almost the same when i had radeon hd 6870 and amd fx 4100...
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April 17, 2014 8:31:20 AM

haugabodl97 said:
kapitalistas said:
did you overclocked any hardware of yours.:) 


The gpu, but wasnt any difference so i underclocked it to stock again... But it the computer is almost the same when i had radeon hd 6870 and amd fx 4100...
no offense ,but how far your push overclock.(the possibility gpu its damaged)may help run some stress test .:) 


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April 17, 2014 8:35:01 AM

Try using the stable release drivers, 13.12. It could help.

But this makes me think there is a problem with the GPU because you still have that issue even after reformatting. Have you run any benchmarks to compare to other people with similar setups?
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April 17, 2014 8:43:53 AM

haugabodl97 said:
new Thermal Paste on it, but the temperatures is normal i guess, since the cpu temperature is 40C.. so could that be a problem? i have order a new Thermal Paste... and gonna clean my computer and cpu.

Here is one video i made for u guys, in the beginning of the video is a huge fps drop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P3euV900Rs

Specs :

specs
xfx r9 280x - NEW
amd fx 6300 - NEW
CM vortex plus
corsair tx750W
seagate momentus XT 7200 rpm
seagate 2 tb
gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
corsair 8gb RAM

sorry my bad english, i hope you'll understand...
may help monitor your gpu temperatures too !!!!! :) 

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April 17, 2014 6:24:29 PM

I haven't clean the computer in a while so its full of dust and shitt, and when i changed my cpu i did not remove the old thermal paste and i did not take so much of the new thermal paste on it so could that be the problem of this issue?
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April 17, 2014 6:43:48 PM

if the temperatures ok when on heavy load then don't worry about that thermalpaste.
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April 18, 2014 7:17:39 PM

i've now put on the new thermal paste and removed the old one.. I've also cleaned the whole computer for dust and shitt and the performance is little bit better when im gaming! so anything else i can do??
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April 18, 2014 7:34:57 PM

haugabodl97 said:
i've now put on the new thermal paste and removed the old one.. I've also cleaned the whole computer for dust and shitt and the performance is little bit better when im gaming! so anything else i can do??
keep that way and defrag HHD time by time just not a SSD.

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April 19, 2014 10:17:59 AM

kapitalistas said:
haugabodl97 said:
i've now put on the new thermal paste and removed the old one.. I've also cleaned the whole computer for dust and shitt and the performance is little bit better when im gaming! so anything else i can do??
keep that way and defrag HHD time by time just not a SSD.



Now i've done it.. And scanned the whole computer again

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April 19, 2014 1:43:05 PM

can the harddrive be the problem since it's only a seagate momentus XT 5400 rpm and seagate 2 tb green? maybe i should uprade mobo and put in a ssd?
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April 21, 2014 11:43:44 AM

HELLO?! the only game that is laggy now is wow.. an example of the lag: when i turn my character around, and when im in stormwind city.. and also in raids.. so what could be the problem? can the slow ssd cause the lag in wow?
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April 21, 2014 11:57:04 AM

WoW is poorly optimized, so it's probably more of an issue with wow then with your GPU. I have a GTX 780 Ti and even i drop down into the 40fps range with a lot of players around (I play on a Full server).

Although a 5200 RPM HDD is pretty slow, it shouldn't have that much of an effect on the game. If you have the money you should get an SSD because it improves performance in a lot of areas, but I don't think it would help during a raid.
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April 21, 2014 12:03:01 PM

Kekoh said:
WoW is poorly optimized, so it's probably more of an issue with wow then with your GPU. I have a GTX 780 Ti and even i drop down into the 40fps range with a lot of players around (I play on a Full server).

Although a 5200 RPM HDD is pretty slow, it shouldn't have that much of an effect on the game. If you have the money you should get an SSD because it improves performance in a lot of areas, but I don't think it would help during a raid.



ah okay :)  im gonna reinstall wow first.. but im gonna buy a ssd and a new motherboard soon.. im looking on these:
https://www.komplett.no/asus-sabertooth-990fx-r20-socke...
https://www.komplett.no/crucial-m500-ssd-25-240gb/77731...

are these two good?

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April 21, 2014 12:26:54 PM

Those are good choices. Why are you upgrading the mobo? I don't think it would affect performance very much.
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April 21, 2014 1:42:40 PM

Kekoh said:
Those are good choices. Why are you upgrading the mobo? I don't think it would affect performance very much.


the mobo is old, and i want to upgrade my whole computer.

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April 21, 2014 2:22:08 PM

A SSD does NOT improve Frames Per Second on games. What a SSD does do is improve "Windows" performance, so when a game asks "how to I write in FONT xyx" or "how do I spin the character when he moves the mouse" Windows isn't taking "alot" of time loading how to do that for the Game. Windows is 'faster' for the games needs, and thus the game 'responds' faster to your actions, but does NOT have faster FPS.

Personally if you want to upgrade your whole computer, I would suggest a current Haswell based system, like a i5 would be plenty, but for a $100 or so more a i7 has been cheap 'off the shelf' systems. If you check www.slickdeals.net , you can grab a i5, 8GB, 1TB, W8, DVD for around $400, or a i7 similiar specs from Lenovo or Acer through Staples, for as low as $529.

Run Windows Easy Transfer on old PC to a ext HDD ($50 1TB Walmart), follow the "Move STEAM games" FAQs out there to the Ext HDD. Buy a SSD (suggest a 240-250GB is the norms), make the system restore DVDs on new PC, wipe the New PC HDD with DBAN, add the GPU and swap the PSU. Install SSD and reinstall the OS to the SSD via the recovery DVDs, Reinstall any other programs onto the new PC HDD drive (you will have to manually do this every time you install apps, DO NOT CLICK THROUGH installing apps, because the SSD is small and will fill up quickly especially if you have alot of games). Install AVG or AVAST from www.filehippo.com. Follow the STEAM FAQ (mentioned) to restore to the HDD (D:\) from ext HDD. Run Windows Easy Transfer and restore your desktop, data, etc. DONE.

Now on a systems that can normally run games over 60FPS, High to Ultra settings, at 1080P.
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April 21, 2014 2:52:03 PM

I'll just reinstall the whole computer without any recovery since i just reinstalled it, and i just downloaded a couple of games so.. Im gonna buy a ssd soon, i know what a ssd are doing.. But since all my specs are fine, and the hdd is not fine i'll just buy a 240 gb ssd and istall my main games and os into it
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April 21, 2014 3:05:05 PM

Now can my computer handle bf4 on highsettings.. But my specs should have handle it on ultra.. And wow is laggy
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April 21, 2014 11:36:44 PM

No the FX6300 will hold back on BF4 and other 2013 games because it is 'maxing' out each core. Only the FX-8xxx series seems to be able to handle it better, unless you switch to i5/i7. As for just and ONLY WoW being laggy A) Follow the WoW FAQ on a 'clean reinstall' B) Contact WoW C) check WoW forums about specific WoW related issues / problems.
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April 22, 2014 2:27:35 AM

So why the fu.. can other players play on ultra with the same cpu and gpu with stock speed?? No games need 8 cores.. The 6300 is more then enough
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April 22, 2014 2:47:50 AM

To test if you have a CPU bottleneck you could try to use Mantle for BF4 and Thief. Mantle should take off the load from the CPU so if it's a CPU bottleneck you should see a FPS increase using Mantle with those two games that are currently supporting it.
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April 22, 2014 6:05:17 AM

I have tested it on bf4, and the performance was much better, i have not checked my fps.. But i have seen gameplay videos on youtube that have the same cpu and gpu, and they can run games like bf4 on ultra with an average fps on 58-60
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April 22, 2014 6:30:01 AM

OK and you are absolutely sure that you did a clean install of your latest drivers (Using Driver Sweeper to remove old drivers). Also you may want to check if your BIOS is up to date
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April 22, 2014 7:07:55 AM

the lastest bios is up to date with a beta version, f8a..
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April 22, 2014 9:50:48 AM

Don't buy into the 'youtube' videos of 'player videos', they can say all they want, but alot of time it is BS. The 'youtuber' isn't liable (meaning you can sue them for money) where as 'company' websites like Tom's Hardware, TechSpot, Cnet, etc. are liable for what ever they print, someone can (and has) taken then to court and recover 'monetary damages' from false reports.

That said, there is many current new benchmarks, both before 'holy grail' Mantel and after it. Basically put, the game codes for 2013 games forward aren't all about just graphics (the older logic get a higher and higher end video card and it will take care of 'lag' or lower fps). BF4,the new Thief, AC4, etc. have many other 'things' going on, for example physics, shooting a brick wall with a M302 or a AK47, which does what amount of damage, how muych damage then how much 'health' is left before the wall breaks apart, does the wall support other things (load weights), would this cause more then the wall to collapse, etc. These RL physics calculations are NOT GPU functions but CPU functions, never mind the smarter AI, coordinating attack models, etc. again all calculations not rendering.

So what you have is much more 'CPU' intensive work needing to be 'on par' with the level GPU so neither the GPU is waiting on the CPU and vice versa, the CPU isn't waiting on the GPU. To show how much here are the CPU scopres showing how much demand per core is happening just on Very High Quality:
http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-im...

As you can see the FX-6xxx series is near maxing out on multiple cores, and this isn't even during say a Helo Rocket barrage (which you know is way heavy graphical AND cpu processing) .

Now if your using High Quality settings, not Ultra, and do NOT have Vsynch on (this limits FPS) this is the range you should be getting

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-im...

To find out what your doing, and to constant check those temps,, as I suggested in my original post, install MSI Afterburner, which will let you monitor in all games the temps, cpu, gpu etc. demands. So if you see CPU 80% but gpu 25% then the CPu is bottlenecking for example.
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April 22, 2014 1:28:37 PM

Update :
I've overclocked my cpu to 4,2 ghz and it's stable so far. Now i can run bf4 on ultra, even on large conquest map.. But wow is still laggy, haha
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