How important is a high quality/expensive MOBO for gaming?

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My friend at work told me that it's imperative, or extremely crucial to have an excellent, high quality motherboard for gaming, and I should go in around $200. Some people online have recommended MOBOs to me for as low as $99.99, my friend said the PC will only be as good as its weakest part, and putting expensive GPUs and CPUs into a cheap MOBO doesn't make sense. Is there truth to this? For a high powered/quality rig, do I need a $200+ MOBO? I've been looking at the MSI Z87-G45 ($169.99 CAD), and the ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 ($220.99 CAD). Both seem good, and are pricey, but I don't want to squander money if I don't have to.

I'm looking at an Intel I5 4670k or I7 4770k (leaning toward the I5) and an Nvidia GTX 770 or 780 (not sure which yet). I have a budget of around $1,800-$2,000 but I will also need anti virus (probs Bit Defender because it's not too taxing on performance), an OS (probs Windows 7), and a monitor.
Thank you for your time.
 
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Back in the day, Boards made more of a difference because they had the AGP/PCI-E controller and memory controller on the board it self. The newer Intel setups have the memory and PCI-E controller in the cpu. This means the performance from board to board is almost always due to slight bios tweaks from the maker.

Now this is not to say more expensive boards do not have more features(extra or better network/data controllers controllers ect) or better parts. If you are going to overclock or want better sound, you will be paying for a better power delivery system and audio system.

I see no reason why a 100-150 dollar board would be unsuitable for a modern gaming system.

Many games still do not use the extra threads from an I7 vs and I5...
Back in the day, Boards made more of a difference because they had the AGP/PCI-E controller and memory controller on the board it self. The newer Intel setups have the memory and PCI-E controller in the cpu. This means the performance from board to board is almost always due to slight bios tweaks from the maker.

Now this is not to say more expensive boards do not have more features(extra or better network/data controllers controllers ect) or better parts. If you are going to overclock or want better sound, you will be paying for a better power delivery system and audio system.

I see no reason why a 100-150 dollar board would be unsuitable for a modern gaming system.

Many games still do not use the extra threads from an I7 vs and I5.

Going overly cheap can cause some issues down the line if they cheap out of the power system because gaming systems tend to run med-high loads for long periods of time. At some point you go into overkill.
 
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This is the kind of detailed answer I was looking for from Tom's Hardware, sometimes hard to get at Yahoo Answers. Thank you so much! I think I will go for the MOBO that is around $169.99 to be safe.
 

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Some of the more expensive boards also have some durability features that you might not find on a potentially flimsier sub-$100 board. As an example. My z87 sabertooth board has a metal backplate screwed into the back of the board and in general, in all of the reivews I've read people take about how it is a fairly solidly made board (although I never tested this myself. The maximus vi formula also has this backplate.
As part of ASUS' TUF line of boards the sabertooth also comes with a 5 year warranty, which is more than I've seen on just about any board. The sabertooth is in the $200 range (or it was when I got it, probably on sale) while the formula is closer to the $300 range.

I'm not saying that all of these things are worth spending the high prices for those boards (the sabertooth's thermal armor is a bit gimmicky and the formula just seemed overpriced), but to a certain extent you get what you pay for
 

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Get the best motherboard you can that supports what you want. Low priced boards usually have less options and
cheaper parts as well as disabled functions on them. The board is the foundation of your computer. Start with the
best one you can.
 

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I will definitely look at those. I want to avoid paying big bucks where possible, but I also don't want to spend $1,500+ on a rig, then have to worry about a part, especially as crucial as the motherboard, breaking down.
 

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The z87 Maximum VI Hero is out of my original price range, but I've been learning more about MOBOs, and am willing to postone the purchase and build of my PC for better parts that will ensure high quality and functionality overall. Is the Maximus VI Hero enough? I was originally going for one around $169.99.
 

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More than enough probably. It might have better integrated sound or give slightly more stable overclocks, but for the most part something along the lines of z87-a, -plus, or -pro would probably suit you just fine.

*Looking at it now it looks like the big thing is integrated sound capabilities and, because it's a ROG board, probably better overclocking. There might be more PCIe slots than lower end boards as well if sli/crossfire is your thing.
Other than that, I would recommend ASUS boards because I've had good experiences with them. But in the end with a lot of boards at a certain price point ($150+) it's more about "what features do I get?" and "what features do I NEED?"
 

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Interesting argument for the MOBOs, in that case, would you say $100-$150 is good but not amazing? I care mostly about being able to game well, I'm not a pro gamer, but I intend to replace console gaming with PC gaming, and want to play all the RTS and turn based strategy games, as well as some RPGs and FPSs like Planetside 2 and Watchdogs (open world 3rd person I guess?). Sound is nice, but not that big of a deal for me... Not sure what other features the pricey boards will offer though. Is there a good place to learn about motherboards?
 

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Google mostly, this site also probably has some good articles lying around.
If your board has all the features you need then there is no need for more unless you want to pay for that potential for more. But part of my philosophy was that chances are there will be less bad boards in the $150-200 range than in the lower range, because companies wouldnt want the bad press for making people spend $200 on a faulty board. You definitely probably don't need the features of the $300ish maximus vi formula (unless you want the looks), but a case could be made for the sabertooth for its 5 year warranty, and maybe some other expensive board has something you want. You just have to pay for it if you really want it.

One other thing to keep in mind. A lot of times from what I have seen micro atx boards are cheaper than their atx counterparts. The main difference is often less slots, but if you only use 1 gpu you won't need so many anyway. The z87 gryphon is one such example
 

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I guess my problem is that I don't really know exactly what it is that I need. I agree with your philosophy, as I am obviously ignorant on this topic, I was going to go for the Z87 G45 or whatever it's called, for $169.99. That seemed like a good mid range price haha. I don't care at all about looks, I won't be looking inside the computer that often, except to clean out dust and make sure nothing is loose. Aesthetics don't matter much to me, one person recommended a $59.99 case with no paint on the inside, I'm completely fine with that as long as it has good airflow and things will be kept cool.

Is a 5 year warranty worth the extra money? I mean it's nice and all, but do motherboards tend to fail after 3-5 years? I guess that is a pretty long time actually.
About slots, I would like the option to do the SLI thing in the future, I have heard it sometimes doesn't work out so well, so I don't know if I would actually go with it, I would consider it. For a year or two, at least, I'd go with one GPU. Especially if I decided to go with the GTX 780, I don't think I'd need much more for a long time.
I will check the Z87 Gryphon out, thank you.
 

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Some people need 10+ sata ports and a bunch of I/O ports like esata, a pile of usb 3, etc. For me, I don't have any usb or esata devices, and I doubt I will ever get above 5 sata devices, ever. Number of pci slots is important. You want enough of the faster pci slots to be able to support multiple gpu if you want sli. You might also want even more slots for things like a wireless card since many boards don't come with wireless capabilities.

It doesnt sound like you are looking for much in terms of what goes on the board, and, even though I made the argument for it you probably don't need the 5 year warranty. I was just trying to present a different angle.

I'd definitely recommend the z87 gryphon. I have it's larger atx sized cousin and it works great. And Asus in general seems to make good products. Plus you get some decent extra software and a nicely organized BIOS. *Just keep in mind that it does not come with the thermal armor that you might see on it and the sabertooth. However, for me I was more interested in the backplate than the armor


**Since the gryphon is a micro atx board, I don't know if space might be an issue if you have some fat gpu sitting on there (I never worried since I have an atx with a relatively thin gpu). Something you should look into if that's a consideration for you
 

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Having an SLI option would be nice just in case, but I don't know if I'd ever try SLIing. A wireless card might be necessary, as I have yet to check for an Ethernet connection in my room. I will only be putting a CPU, GPU, and HDD in at first. Maybe a sound and wireless card if I need them to enjoy online gaming, and sound haha. I need to be able to use one monitor, either 720p or 1080p.... I can't think of anything else I need though :/.

People often recommend Asus, among other brands, so I think you're right. How much was the board you have? I'm assuming bigger means better? The size doesn't bother me, UNLESS, it will be an issue for the components. Do I need a big motherboard for a big GPU?

I don't even really know what a BIOS is, or what you do with it. I know you can use it for overclocking, and maybe monitor your system.... Not sure what else though.
Does a thermal plate help manage heat? Or does it make it stronger/sturdier?
 
The size of the board does not effect the video card you can use, but does open up most slots for expansion, If you are getting an ATX case, get and ATX board if you are getting a mATX case, get an mATX board. and so on.

The small end of the board spectrum :) mitx
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Idea of size, that is a 120mm fan and notebook hard drive.
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The bios is the basic input/output system. It startup the system and tells it to load the OS. It is used for pre OS configuration. This includes memory/cpu and other speed settings.

Most systems are fine with the Default settings, but for overclockers, the more features/settings the better.

EDIT haha, read thermal paste not thermal plate :)

The thermal paste is what helps aid the heat transfer from a heat generating component to its heatsink. While some are better than others, many are within a few degrees of one another, for overclocking you want the best you can get, but at stock speeds, it does not matter as much.
 

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It might be a bit more cramped with a small case and stuff. But not to the point where stuff doesnt get (assuming you don't have some massive cooler. My board was probably around $220 when i got it I think, but it was on sale/part of a combo pack. If you don't need the extra space and still want the type of board I suggested then I would probably say get the gryphon.

The backplate ,from what I heard, in theory helps with transferring heat, but I liked it because of the added rigidity to the board and it left places for my hands during building
 

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Damn.... That first picture is awfully confusing looking haha, that actual building of the PC should be interesting and challenging.... Are components usually fragile? Choosing the a motherboard sounds much easier if their model sizes correspond with case sizes. ATX seems to be the most common I see or that is recommended to me.

I see.... So you access the BIOS by hitting one of the function buttons at the top of the keyboard? I see now how useful it can be, it gives you complete command over the CPU and GPU... Handy. I've always relied on default settings. It would be fun to tinker with the BIOS once I feel more competent.

Ahhh yes, thermal paste, people often recommend purchasing some alongside a build, because you can get higher quality paste for good prices, and components usually come with enough for one application, whether you screw up or not. Now that I know what it does, I see how important the paste can be. I've seen it as low as $8 and as high as $30 or so.
 

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The Gryphon does seem to be highly recommended, I will keep reading about it and take it into consideration. Thank you!
 

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$30 would be a waste. I bought a tube for $8 and some even consider that high. I believe the stuff that comes with hyper 212 evo (if you get that cooler) is sufficient, and noctua gives some good stuff with their coolers. Havent heard great things about the stuff that comes with the stock coolers.

The components are fragile, and yet, surprisingly durable. My psu has an extremely annoying design for the ends of its cables where the half the time you have to practically jump on it to make it go in all the way. I'm still surprised putting in the 24 pin power didnt just snap off that chunk of the board. That is another reason why I could see having more durability as a plus. Hard drives are fairly durable if you don't drop it and same with gpu cards and ram as long as you don't scratch the gold ends. Cpu is pretty hard to damage as long as you don't scratch the gold numbs on the bottom. The most fragile bit is probably the board itself (and that is probably because there are just so many little things that can snap off). However I have dropped a screwdriver point down right on a board before and everything worked fine, so they arent quite as fragile as you might think.

ATX is most common probably because that is the size that a lot of people like to get so they can fit all their stuff comfortably. I'm sure there is some other complex reason but in the end the main difference is just how space and ports you get.


A good thing about ASUS BIOS is that they have an easy and advanced mode. The easy mode lets you adjust the really basic stuff like date/time, as well as changing the boot order for your peripherals (needed when installing the OS). The advanced mode lets you do the tinkering. But you can play with the easy mode and get a feel for things before getting lost in the advanced mode. *I would recommend you have a usb mouse and keyboard available at first start up because they don't always work the first time in BIOS (I was fortunate enough that windows had a screen keyboard that I could use my mouse with to activate until I got the driver installed).
 

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It was also mentioned that a k cpu would be purchased, assuming overclocking then a z87 board would be appropriate (although I will admit I don't remember seeing overclocking mentioned). Personally I need at least 3 sata ports for the peripherals and drives I wanted (1 ssd, 1 HDD, 1 DVD drive)

 

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Hmmm, the EVO 212 is the one I am planning on going with, it seems everyone recommends that one. In that case, I will try to find out what kind of thermal paste comes with it, and see if I can order some extra.

Fragile adds to the fears I have haha, I want to build a good, solid gaming rig, and do it myself.... But I'm so afraid of ordering parts and damaging them, or receiving faulty parts, spending hours putting the machine together, only to find that something doesn't work, then try to figure out what, and disassemble the computer and ship the broken part(s) back.
Damn... That sounds both frustrating and worrying, that you have to be so forceful with it just to get it to work.
I see, so the GPUs, CPUs, and RAM all have the "important" parts easily distinguishable? I will be certain to be very careful with all the parts. I am tired of relying on companies like Dell, to build rigs for me... I a bought a "gaming" laptop when I was 16 from Dell, $2,000 and it could barely run Mass Effect on the lowest settings, at the time it had some Nvidia 256Mb GPU. I will NEVER do that again.
I'll take all you say into consideration when building myself. It's good to know that the components aren't so easily breakable, but still need to be handled properly.

So, ATX towers are mostly mid sized towers I take it? Not too big, but enough room for everything the user purchased. The most important thing for me in a case is the airflow and spaciousness, and then secondly, the USB ports and other ports.

So, the BIOS is sounding really cool, but could you possibly screw something up beyond repair by tampering with it? I will almost certainly be sticking to USB only things.

Are you a gamer? Do you have a gaming rig?
 

That first image was when the case needed a bit of work, but I did not want to loose use of that system since it stores all of my files :). It normally looks like this(not going to clutter your thread with any more images so it is a link to the image)

For sure go ATX if you get an ATX case. It has the most expansion slots and generally has all the toys. I have been building more smaller pc's because integration and larger hard drives(and network storage helps too) now mean I can get more in less space. It is a trade off and not a good idea for all users. Starting ATX will give you all the expansion you could want vs starting smaller and wishing you have more room down the road.
 

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Damn! That first one you mentioned has a very low cost! I think someone once referred me to it with a mock build example. So, for gaming, you don't need the extra "frills"? I guess what I should ask is, what do you need in terms of motherboard, for gaming?
 

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Overclocking is something I have zero experience in, but it's something I may want to try in the future, and would therefore be wanting a motherboard capable of it. So sata ports are used for those drives? Anything else? What do you plug the GPU/CPU into and do you need a lot of those?