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Hi guys. I am getting a lot of bluescreens lately, like 2 in 15 minutes, and this is really becoming a problem it happens mostly in games, but in certain: Heavly modded Skyrim happends every now and then, got 2 in 15 minutes on Payday 2, Battlefield one after 1 hour with a overclocked CPU, Sometimes at idle. It´s always a different bluescreen i´m getting. It´s not my RAM I know that i´ve done the Windows test and it says that it´s okay, it´s not my temperatures because they are always fine. The only thing I can think of now is my extremely bad power supply and my very old BIOS version which I don´t know how to update.
Any help? I know Bluescreens are mostly harmless, but now they are really starting to worry me.
CPU I7 4770K Stock speeds
Motherboard Gigabye GA-Z87x-OC, BIOS version: F3
GPU Windforce GTX 770
RAM 16 GB G-skill Sniper 1866 4x2 ram and G-skill 2133 Ares 4x2
PSU SFC 750
CPU cooler Antec H20 920
SSD Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
HDD Toshiba 3 TB 7200RPM HDD
 
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The BCC code is what to look at first and I know the ones ending in 124 could be due to the overclock you had not being stable (when I was OCing my 2500K that was the bug code when the OC was not stable) or it could be heat. I know you have a closed loop cooler but what kind of load temps do you get on the CPU under full load(try using Intel Burn-in Test to see top temps)?.

And now I feel stupid because I just noticed you are using two very different types of RAM and considering that after the 124 BCC codes you have multiple types (i.e. 07e, 03b, 050, 00a and 10e) I can see that causing issues. You never want to mix and match RAM because they are normally speced differently. If the 1866 is trying to run at 2133MHz it can cause issues...
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Can you pull up the BSoD information and post it here?

As well, while the Windows memory test is ok I would also run Memtest 86+ to make sure as it is much more thorough compared to the built in Windows test.

It could be a failing GPU but try to pull up the BSoD logs in the Windows event Viewer and post the info here as there is a code that can help determine what part might be causing it.
 
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The BCC code is what to look at first and I know the ones ending in 124 could be due to the overclock you had not being stable (when I was OCing my 2500K that was the bug code when the OC was not stable) or it could be heat. I know you have a closed loop cooler but what kind of load temps do you get on the CPU under full load(try using Intel Burn-in Test to see top temps)?.

And now I feel stupid because I just noticed you are using two very different types of RAM and considering that after the 124 BCC codes you have multiple types (i.e. 07e, 03b, 050, 00a and 10e) I can see that causing issues. You never want to mix and match RAM because they are normally speced differently. If the 1866 is trying to run at 2133MHz it can cause issues as that RAM has to OC.

As well there are internal RAM timings we normally don't see or mess with that will be different between those packages.

I would say pull out one of the sets and test them with Memtest 86+ and as well in Windows and see if you have any issues. Then swap to the other set you have and do the same thing. if both sets work independently then it is due to them not liking each other. If one set fails, you will find the issue as well.
 
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It´s not my RAM I know that, one of the Gigabyte GA-Z87X OC´s features is that it can mix and match RAM, and i´ve clocked my RAM to 1600MHz.
It´s not the CPU temperatures, ran the Intel Burn test on extreme with the unstable OC and it passed just fine with an average temperature of 60 Celsius and a max of 90. Note that the Haswell series can take up to 110 Celsius.
I really do think that it is my power supply, it´s a really crappy and cheap one, that barely has enough AMPS for the GTX 770.
It´s not the TON of dust inside my case I know that too because none of my components have overheated yes.
All of the 124 codes where from bad OC on Battlefield 3, back to stock fixed it.
I did have one bluescreen because of faulty RAM but that is fixed now.

 
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Okay, I looked into WhoCrashed and it looks like all of my problems are from Drivers and not Hardware.
One of my Blue Screens looks like to be the brand new Nvidia beta driver´s fault but that´s only one. Most of my bluescreens seems to be from ntoskrnl.exe which are the ones that I´ve been getting recently. Will an upgrade to Windows 8 help or an OS re install?
But I still have a strong suspicion that my PSU has been causing me some of the blue screens.
 
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All drivers are loaded into memory. Since the crash from the NVidia driver was only one time I would ignore it but ntoskrnl.exe is a core OS file and if it is causing the crash there is only two possibilities, bad HDD or bad RAM. I assume you have Windows on the SSD and SSDs normally don't go bad with bad sectors, if a NAND chip goes bad it just gets cut off by the controller. Normally SSDs go completely bad.

And I have never heard of a motherboard allowing to mix and match RAM like that. Hell I have a Asus Maximums VI Formula, which is a much higher end board than what you have, and it doesn't support mix and match of RAM. I still say it is best to test the memory more thoroughly as BSoD are almost never caused by software but rather hardware. I have personally never seen BSoD caused by a faulty PSU, normally that would cause the system to just power off under load.
 
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My SSD is relatively new, I got it in December. But it´s true this board has the ability to mix and match RAM as long as they have the same capacities and pretty similar spec. It´s not my HDD, because all it has is games, but it do have an problem Windows sees it as two HDD´s one with 2 TB of storage and one that I haven´t activated yet with 700 GB. But I doubt that is the problem, but will an OS re install or upgrade to Windows 8 help?
I really doubt that it´s my SSD that is causing the problems.
 
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HURRAY just got a new bluescreen 5 min ago. Congratulations that´s your 20th blue screen on a brand new computer!
Sigh here´s the information
041814-6193-01.dmp 18-04-2014 23:02:42 IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL 0x0000000a 00000080`00000028 00000000`00000002 00000000`00000001 fffff800`02c98117 tcpip.sys tcpip.sys+66adb x64 ntoskrnl.exe+75bc0 C:\Windows\Minidump\041814-6193-01.dmp 8 15 7601 297.856 18-04-2014 23:03:09
 
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The HDD is formatted as a MBR, MBR can only allocate partitions up to 2TB which is why your 3TB HDD is in two partitions. In order for it to be seen as one partition you need it to be set as a GPT style HDD and that allows for a single 3TB or larger HDD. That is why my 2 2TB in a RAID0 show as one 4TB partition instead of 2 2TB partitions.

I also do not think it is the SSD as normally when a SSD fails it stops detecting. It could still be but I highly doubt it.

And while the board says it can I still doubt it because it can only adjust the timings connecting the IMC to the RAM but it cannot adjust internal DIMM timings that are set in stone by the DIMMs themselves.

I highly doubt a reinstall will solve the issues, as I said normally BSoD are caused by hardware issues. Very rarely a defunct driver may cause it, like the 050 BSoD you got from the NVidia GPU driver.

I have been dealing with these kinds of issues for well over 10 years and I worked in a shop where I dealt with it daily for over 2 years, diagnosing and repairing at least 15+ PCs a day. You get used to quite a few common things when dealing with that many PCs.



You can try a new BIOS and it may help. Sometimes they add stability.

I still think it is RAM because of the various BSoD codes you have. Normally when they are random like that it means RAM is causing corruption.
 
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Most boards can do it from either Windows or the BIOS itself. I prefer the BIOS method as there is little to no risk. You need to load the BIOS file to a USB thumb drive formatted in FAT32. Then plug it in and restart and load into the BIOS.

Once in the BIOS, I am more familiar with Asus BIOS, but you should see a page or a button for BIOS flash. Normally it is pretty automated and just needs to be pointed to the file on the USB stick.

Best advice I can give is to check the motherboard manual as it should have a guide on how to flash the BIOS properly.
 
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Hey I put all my BIOS setting back to default, because at the first month where everything was at default everything was fine and stable even with the mix and match RAM, which are very similar in spec. So lets how that goes, if it isn´t going to work then i´ll remove the 1866 Kit and see how that goes.
 
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Hello again. Putting all my BIOS settings back to default solved the problem:) Looks like it wasn´t the mix and match RAM, just the remains of my really bad overclock. That´s what I get for following a really bad overclock tutorial on YouTube, 20 blue screens.
Well thank you so much for your assistance, coulden´t have done this without you.
Hopefully the next time I overclock which I won´t do until I get my AX 860, a new and better case and 2 new Corsair SP 120 fans for the radiator, will go better. Oh and a quick question. Do I need to apply new thermal paste if I remove my liquid cooler pump for a extended amount of time and then put it back on?
 
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Any time you ever remove a cooling solution you want to clean the thermal paste off and re apply it. I assume you are using a Hydro or some other cooler. The stuff that is on there is some of the best thermal paste.

A good replacement would be the Zalman STG-2, I have used it and it performs extremely well. The only thing I have found that is better is IC Diamond 24. They use a artificial Diamond powder mix. Stuff is extremely good but hard to find and since it has Diamonds, can rub off the markings on the top of a CPU.

Make sure to use a good alcohol to clean the surface of the CPU and the water block, I like to use at least 90% and if you can find it 99% for the best results.

BTW, I have the AX860i, I wouldn't trade it for any other PSU in the world, except maybe Corsairs next AX series that would be based on the Titanium 80 Plus rating......
 
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Okay thanks. I am going to buy the AX 860, don't need the shitty software with the AX 860i. For the Thermal paste, I am going to buy some Noctua Hybrid paste.
Thanks for all, of your help. If it wasn't for you, I would probably sit right now and rage over a Blue Screen
 
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No problem. I only have the AX860i because when I got it the non digital was out of stock. That said, in reviews the AX860i is a bit better than the non I and I don't mind the software. I find it interesting to watch the PSU fan sit at 0% RPM until I kick it into high gear.
 
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Wait while i´m at it. I can´t seem to update my BIOS, with Q-Flash. It won´t read the BIOS file.
The reason I want to update is because that my BIOS version is waaaaay to old, and that I can´t use resolution toggle which is really annoying because the regular BIOS is extremely clunky and hard to control and the Gigabyte Z87x 1080p BIOS looks is just epic
 
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When I run into this issue it normally means the file does not match. Asus has had a BIOS based flash utility for as long as I can remember, EZFlash. Sometimes there were revisions of motherboards, for example I had a P4PE and they would have the P4PE LE. Other companies would instead do P4PE rev 2.0 which can be confusing.

Looking at Gigabytes site, there are two versions of your motherboard. The GA-Z87X-OC rev 1.x and the GA-Z87X-OC Force rev 1.x. Make sure you are downloading the BIOS for your exact version. Although it is the same board, their ROM will have a different code and be a certain size and if it does not match, it will not flash.

Per their website they are on different versions as well. The Z87X-OC is on F8 and the Z87X-OC Force is on F9. As well it looks like for both versions the latest BIOS has a utility in the zip file that they want you to use, efiflash.exe.

I say double check your model, download the latest BIOS and use the .exe in the zip file and see if that works. I get what you mean too. The original Gigabyte UEFI BIOS was not that pleasing but the new one is. It is just like the old Z68 Asus UEFI BIOS compared to my new Z87 Asus UEFI RoG BIOS. It is just pretty.
 
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