7850 1b or r7 260x 2b! HELP ASAP PLEASE!
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2GB HD7770 is useless since the card is barely powerful to utilize 1 GB ram! It will run out of processing power before it runs out of ram! 1GB HD7850 will always beat the R7 260X since the same thing happens to it, it will run out of processing power before taking full benefit of the extra ram!
Here you can see that you will have to exceed 1080P for 2GB std 7850 to beat an OC 1GB card! http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya...
Here you can see that you will have to exceed 1080P for 2GB std 7850 to beat an OC 1GB card! http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya...
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shouden freud
April 17, 2014 7:34:19 PM
The R9 260X is a rebranded/renamed Raedon 7790, with a few tweaks like higher core clock speed and true audio, I Raedon 7850 is much more powerful that the r9 260X. I is powerful enough to run all games at 1050p some like Crysis 3 are much more demanding, but will be playable at medium settings.
But I would suggest going a little up the card chain for something beefier like the R9 270, if you want to run all the current gen games at high settings.
But still if want to buy a lower end card, try to find a Raedon 7790 it might be cheaper than the R9 260x.
Good luck mate.
But I would suggest going a little up the card chain for something beefier like the R9 270, if you want to run all the current gen games at high settings.
But still if want to buy a lower end card, try to find a Raedon 7790 it might be cheaper than the R9 260x.
Good luck mate.
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rolli59 said:
2GB HD7770 is useless since the card is barely powerful to utilize 1 GB ram! It will run out of processing power before it runs out of ram! 1GB HD7850 will always beat the R7 260X since the same thing happens to it, it will run out of processing power before taking full benefit of the extra ram!Here you can see that you will have to exceed 1080P for 2GB std 7850 to beat an OC 1GB card! http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya...
That is a complete missconception that ive read many times before in those forums...completely wrong...
What's eating up the VRAM buffer is the quality of the textures used (texture resolutions and details)and this can be adjusted in every games in the settings and those, once loaded in the VRAM have not effects what's-o-ever on the ''processing power'' of a graphics card...as long as you have the buffer to load up the high quality textures you will get the same exact framerate, they require no additional processing power from the GPU...and good quality textures IMHO are what makes a game looks good...
This is saying that to take your example of the 7770 2gb this card does run's BF4 at 1080p on low settings for example but the 2gb card will allow for ULTRA quality textures with no loss in performance (framerates) what's-o-ever, thus making a much better looking game than the 1gb 7770 can do...
For this reason going with a 1gb graphics card today is a no brainer, it would be like buying a ferrari with a ford fiesta engine under the hood...pointless at the track
Now screen resolution is the other factor that eats up the VRAM and THIS as a big effect on processing power but it's not the ONLY reason to get a bigger buffer on a graphics card, i hope i'm clear enough...
EDIT: if you don't trust me on that read a little bit on that subjet and if you can't find something conclusive just ask i will gladly help...and if possible please unselect your best answer to make sure you don't mislead any other user facing the same situation...thanks
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paitjsu sadff said:
rolli59 said:
2GB HD7770 is useless since the card is barely powerful to utilize 1 GB ram! It will run out of processing power before it runs out of ram! 1GB HD7850 will always beat the R7 260X since the same thing happens to it, it will run out of processing power before taking full benefit of the extra ram!Here you can see that you will have to exceed 1080P for 2GB std 7850 to beat an OC 1GB card! http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya...
That is a complete missconception that ive read many times before in those forums...completely wrong...
What's eating up the VRAM buffer is the quality of the textures used (texture resolutions and details)and this can be adjusted in every games in the settings and those, once loaded in the VRAM have not effects what's-o-ever on the ''processing power'' of a graphics card...as long as you have the buffer to load up the high quality textures you will get the same exact framerate, they require no additional processing power from the GPU...and good quality textures IMHO are what makes a game looks good...
This is saying that to take your example of the 7770 2gb this card does run's BF4 at 1080p on low settings for example but the 2gb card will allow for ULTRA quality textures with no loss in performance (framerates) what's-o-ever, thus making a much better looking game than the 1gb 7770 can do...
For this reason going with a 1gb graphics card today is a no brainer, it would be like buying a ferrari with a ford fiesta engine under the hood...pointless at the track
Now screen resolution is the other factor that eats up the VRAM and THIS as a big effect on processing power but it's not the ONLY reason to get a bigger buffer on a graphics card, i hope i'm clear enough...
EDIT: if you don't trust me on that read a little bit on that subjet and if you can't find something conclusive just ask i will gladly help...and if possible please unselect your best answer to make sure you don't mislead any other user facing the same situation...thanks
Simple answer to that you are wrong! Detail level increases the load on the GPU so you will see drop in frame rate!
And there is no way that a HD7770 will run BF4 on Ultra at 1080P but maybe at 720P or lower and then you do not need more than 1GB Vram in the first place because of the smaller textures!
Low quality http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph...
High quality http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph...
Substantial drop in FPS! That is called running out of processing power and has nothing to do with the Vram!
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rolli59 said:
Simple answer to that you are wrong! Detail level increases the load on the GPU so you will see drop in frame rate!
And there is no way that a HD7770 will run BF4 on Ultra at 1080P but maybe at 720P or lower and then you do not need more than 1GB Vram in the first place because of the smaller textures!
Low quality http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph...
High quality http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph...
Substantial drop in FPS! That is called running out of processing power and has nothing to do with the Vram!
you didn't read anything i wrote down, or you didnt understood...
i said texture details settings is what is eating up the VRAM and THIS setting does not require more processing power from the GPU...i said the 7770 2gb run BF4 on LOW settings but with the TEXTURE settings on ULTRA it will use more VRAM but will NOT require more processing power...and will look MUCH BETTER
Here, click on this and read for yourself :

Taken from that trusty website...take the time to read and educate yourself.
http://lifehacker.com/5985304/get-the-most-from-your-ga...
Now do you understand the basics of graphics cards and how they work?
This is the same exact reason why i loose an hair every time i read things like : ''For 1080p all you need is 2gb of vram getting more than that is wasted'' this is also VERY VERY false because as the game evolve they constantly use better looking and higher resolution textures IN GAME and this has nothing to do with SCREEN RESOLUTION, so now that you are informed correctly on that please post them this picture and correct them on the spot, for graphics card the MORE VRAM the more FUTUREPROOF a card will be not matter the resolution the user is going to use to render his favorite games...
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paitjsu sadff said:
rolli59 said:
Simple answer to that you are wrong! Detail level increases the load on the GPU so you will see drop in frame rate!
And there is no way that a HD7770 will run BF4 on Ultra at 1080P but maybe at 720P or lower and then you do not need more than 1GB Vram in the first place because of the smaller textures!
Low quality http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph...
High quality http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graph...
Substantial drop in FPS! That is called running out of processing power and has nothing to do with the Vram!
you didn't read anything i wrote down, or you didnt understood...
i said texture details settings is what is eating up the VRAM and THIS setting does not require more processing power from the GPU...i said the 7770 run BF4 on LOW settings but with the TEXTURE settings on ULTRA it will use more VRAM but will NOT require more processing power...
Here:

Taken from that trusty website...take the time to read and educate yourself.
Listen I do not need to read that since I have been doing this for over 20years! HD7770 will not have the processing power to display an image with acceptable frame rate at high enough resolution that it will benefit from 2GB Vram! HD7850 will on the other hand because it is substantially more powerful! Because of that a 1GB HD7850 will beat a HD7770 in any gaming benchmark even if the HD7770 had 20GB of Vram! If we compare 2 HD7850 one with 1GB and the other with 2GB then it does matter as shown at the highest resolution in this link posted before http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya... That review is old and there are newer games that will change this more in favor of the 2GB card.
And how do you explain the drop of almost 20FPS between medium and high settings at the same resolution in the two links I posted?
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rolli59 said:
Listen I do not need to read that since I have been doing this for over 20years! HD7770 will not have the processing power to display an image with acceptable frame rate at high enough resolution that it will benefit from 2GB Vram! HD7850 will on the other hand because it is substantially more powerful! Because of that a 1GB HD7850 will beat a HD7770 in any gaming benchmark even if the HD7770 had 20GB of Vram! If we compare 2 HD7850 one with 1GB and the other with 2GB then it does matter as shown at the highest resolution in this link posted before http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya... That review is old and there are newer games that will change this more in favor of the 2GB card.
i see i might have insulted you it was not my intention,i'm very sorry i understand you are no nooby, i know that, i've read most of your post for the last months and they where all pretty good...but please stop linking reviews and please just take 1 minute of your time and read this, 1 minute is all it takes, please...

So now, if you understand, battlefield 4 that run's on LOW settings at 1080p on a WEAK GPU with 2gb of VRAM will be able to take full use of it if the user select the ULTRA TEXTURE SETTING (not the other settings, ONLY ULTRA TEXTURE)
it will require the full 2gb and it will not affect the FRAMERATE cause it does not require MORE PROCESSING POWER from the GPU...
I know that more VRAM does not give more processing power i don't have to check reviews to understand that, but more VRAM will allow for better TEXTURES in games and this makes all the difference in the world on how games LOOKS...and this is very important...and it DOES NOT REQUIRE MORE PROCESSING POWER.
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paitjsu sadff said:
rolli59 said:
Listen I do not need to read that since I have been doing this for over 20years! HD7770 will not have the processing power to display an image with acceptable frame rate at high enough resolution that it will benefit from 2GB Vram! HD7850 will on the other hand because it is substantially more powerful! Because of that a 1GB HD7850 will beat a HD7770 in any gaming benchmark even if the HD7770 had 20GB of Vram! If we compare 2 HD7850 one with 1GB and the other with 2GB then it does matter as shown at the highest resolution in this link posted before http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya... That review is old and there are newer games that will change this more in favor of the 2GB card.
i see i might have insulted you it was not my intention,i'm very sorry i understand you are no nooby, i know that, i've read most of your post for the last months and they where all pretty good...but please stop linking reviews and please just take 1 minute of your time and read this, 1 minute is all it takes, please...

So now, if you understand, battlefield 4 that run's on LOW settings at 1080p on a WEAK GPU with 2gb of VRAM will be able to take full use of it if the user select the ULTRA TEXTURE SETTING (not the other settings, ONLY ULTRA TEXTURE)
it will require the full 2gb and it will not affect the FRAMERATE cause it does not require MORE PROCESSING POWER from the GPU...
I know that more VRAM does not give more processing power i don't have to check reviews to understand that, but more VRAM will allow for better TEXTURES in games and this makes all the difference in the world on how games LOOKS...and this is very important...and it DOES NOT REQUIRE MORE PROCESSING POWER.
And all I am saying you will have to have the processing power in the first place to be able to benefit from those texture settings and the HD7770 does not have it! Looks like you do not understand that!
You know that they make a GT640 with 4GB, it can load large texture but only do 1FPS!
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you dont understand, NO YOU DONT NEED MORE PROCESSING POWER FOR HIGH QUALITY TEXTURES...ITS THE SAME'... ALL YOU NEED IS MORE VRAM, TO STORE THOSE TEXTURES...READ THE TEXT FOR GOD SAKES ITS ONLY 10 SENTENCES LONG AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING...I KNOW IT WONT MAKE THE CARDS FASTER AND WONT GET THEM MORE FPS...I KNOW THAT !!!!!! READ !!!!!
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In this persent case for example, the OP is looking at two graphics card that can run BF4 on LOW settings, but one of the cards can run on low settings BUT WITH ULTRA TEXTURE SETTINGS while the other CANT, it simple to understand NO ?!

In this persent case for example, the OP is looking at two graphics card that can run BF4 on LOW settings, but one of the cards can run on low settings BUT WITH ULTRA TEXTURE SETTINGS while the other CANT, it simple to understand NO ?!
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paitjsu sadff said:
you dont understand, NO YOU DONT NEED MORE PROCESSING POWER FOR HIGH QUALITY TEXTURES...ITS THE SAME'... ALL YOU NEED IS MORE VRAM, TO STORE THOSE TEXTURES...READ THE TEXT FOR GOD SAKES ITS ONLY 10 SENTENCES LONG AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING...I KNOW IT WONT MAKE THE CARDS FASTER AND WONT GET THEM MORE FPS...I KNOW THAT !!!!!! READ !!!!!
How about this "Our Recommendation: Texture quality can make a game go from okay-looking to beautiful pretty fast, and without a huge drop in performance. We recommend raising this as high as you can go without experience stuttering. If you get the occasional pause, lower this setting until the stutter goes away."
"Without huge drop in performance" Which none the less is performance drop!
Source and I guess yours as well http://lifehacker.com/5985304/get-the-most-from-your-ga...
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Yes exactly, this is the correct source, and the ''without huge drop in performance'' in question is in fact LESS THEN 1 FRAME PER SECOND. And they described very well what happens to a GPU running out of VRAM buffer, it takes a pause and STUTTER...this is what's happening AS WE SPEAK to EVERY user who bought 1GB graphics card that are trying to run modern games at 1080P on them...
Do you get the big picture NOW ?!?!
Do you get the big picture NOW ?!?!
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paitjsu sadff said:
rolli59 said:
Listen I do not need to read that since I have been doing this for over 20years! HD7770 will not have the processing power to display an image with acceptable frame rate at high enough resolution that it will benefit from 2GB Vram! HD7850 will on the other hand because it is substantially more powerful! Because of that a 1GB HD7850 will beat a HD7770 in any gaming benchmark even if the HD7770 had 20GB of Vram! If we compare 2 HD7850 one with 1GB and the other with 2GB then it does matter as shown at the highest resolution in this link posted before http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_Roya... That review is old and there are newer games that will change this more in favor of the 2GB card.
i see i might have insulted you it was not my intention,i'm very sorry i understand you are no nooby, i know that, i've read most of your post for the last months and they where all pretty good...but please stop linking reviews and please just take 1 minute of your time and read this, 1 minute is all it takes, please...

So now, if you understand, battlefield 4 that run's on LOW settings at 1080p on a WEAK GPU with 2gb of VRAM will be able to take full use of it if the user select the ULTRA TEXTURE SETTING (not the other settings, ONLY ULTRA TEXTURE)
it will require the full 2gb and it will not affect the FRAMERATE cause it does not require MORE PROCESSING POWER from the GPU...
I know that more VRAM does not give more processing power i don't have to check reviews to understand that, but more VRAM will allow for better TEXTURES in games and this makes all the difference in the world on how games LOOKS...and this is very important...and it DOES NOT REQUIRE MORE PROCESSING POWER.
Yep, I think you are right on this. The extra vram and wider memory bus will allow for larger textures because textures don't require gpu powrt , but are simply just very large. With not enough vram, high textures would cause choppy gameplay and other glitches in texture, but with the extra gig moe of the texture can be loaded at higher resolution because of the extra room it has to work with.
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I got the picture a long time ago!
Will you try to run battlefield 4 on a 2GB HD7770 with ultra textures? No you will not because it is a slide show because of lack of processing power!
Will it run at 720P? Yes does it need 2 GB Vram? No because it is now dealing with 1049088 pixels vs 2073600 on 1080P.
To take the benefit of the extra Vram for those textures you will have to have certain amount of processing power so you can play at acceptable frame rate to begin with!
How hard is it to understand that!
Will you try to run battlefield 4 on a 2GB HD7770 with ultra textures? No you will not because it is a slide show because of lack of processing power!
Will it run at 720P? Yes does it need 2 GB Vram? No because it is now dealing with 1049088 pixels vs 2073600 on 1080P.
To take the benefit of the extra Vram for those textures you will have to have certain amount of processing power so you can play at acceptable frame rate to begin with!
How hard is it to understand that!
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Pcbuilder123 said:
Yep, I think you are right on this. The extra vram and wider memory bus will allow for larger textures because textures don't require gpu powrt , but are simply just very large. With not enough vram, high textures would cause choppy gameplay and other glitches in texture, but with the extra gig moe of the texture can be loaded at higher resolution because of the extra room it has to work with.
Exactly, finaly someone to back me up on this...because of the fact that running higher resolutions require more VRAM most ppl tend to think that this is the only reason for more VRAM on the cards...and running higher screen resolution does require tremendously more GPU power, but running higher QUALITY TEXTURES in a game does not require more GPU power, only more space to store those high-resolution textures in the memory buffer of a graphics card, making much better looking games ''for free'' in terms of raw processing power...
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rolli59 said:
I got the picture a long time ago! Will you try to run battlefield 4 on a 2GB HD7770 with ultra textures? No you will not because it is a slide show because of lack of processing power!
Will it run at 720P? Yes does it need 2 GB Vram? No because it is now dealing with 1049088 pixels vs 2073600 on 1080P.
To take the benefit of the extra Vram for those textures you will have to have certain amount of processing power so you can play at acceptable frame rate to begin with!
How hard is it to understand that!
I see where you are going with this and on that we agree, a GPU must meet a MINIMUM amount of computing power to reach 1080p resolution, but lets get back on this thread, the OP is dealing with a 260x 2GB and a 7850 1gb, BOTH of these cards can run BF4 at 1080P on medium settings, but the 260x 2gb WILL ALLOW for much better textures IN GAME (ULTRA TEXTURE SETTINGS) while the 7850 1gb will start stuttering at anything pass LOW TEXTURE SETTINGS... Do you agree on that?
If so, you HAVE to get back on what you said and correct your post that was selected as best answer and send a PM to the OP to tell him that a 2gb card IS REQUIRED NOWADAYS EVEN FOR 1050P RESOLUTION because as the game evolve they constantly use better and better textures and the 1gb is already outdated unless he is willing to play with LOW-RES textures for the rest of the trip with this card...so either he ramp the budget for a more powerful GPU or he take the 2gb card and deal with it...simple as that...never recommand a 1gb card at this point in time UNLESS it's a GPU weak enough that it can't play games at anything more than 720p...
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paitjsu sadff said:
rolli59 said:
I got the picture a long time ago! Will you try to run battlefield 4 on a 2GB HD7770 with ultra textures? No you will not because it is a slide show because of lack of processing power!
Will it run at 720P? Yes does it need 2 GB Vram? No because it is now dealing with 1049088 pixels vs 2073600 on 1080P.
To take the benefit of the extra Vram for those textures you will have to have certain amount of processing power so you can play at acceptable frame rate to begin with!
How hard is it to understand that!
I see where you are going with this and on that we agree, a GPU must meet a MINIMUM amount of computing power to reach 1080p resolution, but lets get back on this thread, the OP is dealing with a 260x 2GB and a 7850 1gb, BOTH of these cards can run BF4 at 1080P on medium settings, but the 260x 2gb WILL ALLOW for much better textures IN GAME (ULTRA TEXTURE SETTINGS) while the 7850 1gb will start stuttering at anything pass LOW TEXTURE SETTINGS... Do you agree on that?
If so, you HAVE to get back on what you said and correct your post that was selected as best answer and send a PM to the OP to tell him that a 2gb card IS REQUIRED NOWADAYS EVEN FOR 1050P RESOLUTION because as the game evolve they constantly use better and better textures and the 1gb is already outdated unless he is willing to play with LOW-RES textures for the rest of the trip with this card...so either he ramp the budget for a more powerful GPU or he take the 2gb card and deal with it...simple as that...never recommand a 1gb card at this point in time UNLESS it's a GPU weak enough that it can't play games at anything more than 720p...
I ordered a 2gb 7770, and my neighbor is using a 7850 1gb from asus. How about we wait until Sunday or Monday when my card comes, and i'll compare bf3 and skyrim at 1050p from low to ultra texture settings and see how it runs.
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Pcbuilder123 said:
I ordered a 2gb 7770, and my neighbor is using a 7850 1gb from asus. How about we wait until Sunday or Monday when my card comes, and i'll compare bf3 and skyrim at 1050p from low to ultra texture settings and see how it runs.
BF3 at 1050p will start stuttering at about medium or high texture settings on the 1gb card, and will not stutter on the 2gb card even at ultra texture settings, but the 7850 is more powerful so the FPS will be better all across the board, but when it will start stuttering due to a lack of VRAM buffer, thats it... the game is instantly unplayable...
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From the informations i gathered on the internet BF3 at 1050p is good with 1gb of vram for HIGH texture settings, it should start stuttering at ULTRA texture settings IF some anti-aliasing is used...BF3 being an old game it does not have textures as nice as the newer games like BF4 for example, i tested BF4 1050P and low texture setting require 860mb on the map that i was with 2xMSAA...i tried 2xMSAA and high texture setting and i was already at 1170mb on the same map...that gives you an idea of how small a 1gb buffer really is in modern games...At 1080p ultra texture settings and 4xMSAA (wich is what i use) BF4 require 1975mb of VRAM...almost twice the buffer available on a 1gb card...
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