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April 19, 2014 10:06:24 PM

So ... I'm looking to build a monster rig. I want raw, not overclocked power (since I do not know how to overclock properly). I've built many PC's, my problem is I don't keep up with all the components. Seems I'm only interested in such a thing when it comes time to do a new build every 2yrs-ish :p 

With that in mind, I'm looking for a definitive list of parts that will last me through the next 2-3 yrs. No need for a case, or any peripherals. Just the meat and potatoes.

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April 19, 2014 10:18:25 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Danbuscus250/saved/4qk7
CPU Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core $243.48
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing $29.98
Motherboard MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 $134.99
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 $144.99
Storage Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" SSD $80.99
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $56.98
Video Card Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB $549.99
Video Card Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB $549.99
Power Supply XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V $150.98
Optical Drive LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer $15.98
Total: $1958.35

i will say though, those are fairly long cards, 295mm, so make sure your case can hold them, if you are even putting them in a case.
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April 19, 2014 10:25:49 PM

yeah, microcenter has great prices, and for $2000 you should get 2 graphics cards, and i prefer the 290X because of the extra vram, especially when using multiple monitors. if you are only planning on using 1 monitor, 2 780 (TI) are great too.
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April 19, 2014 10:20:05 PM

GTX 780ti
http://www.microcenter.com/product/425805/VCGGTX780T3XP...

Intel Core i7 4930k
http://www.microcenter.com/product/418179/Core_i7-4930K...
(At Micro Center, CPU's are in store pickup only. If you can pick it up, bundle it with a motherboard, you will save a lot of cash!)

If you can't pick it up at Micro Center:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EMHM622/?tag=pcpapi-20

Get a lot of RAM (16GB should be good)
Again, at Micro Center, if you check the price of RAM every day, you will find an AMAZING deal (I got 32GB 1866MHz DDR3 RAM for $240). And you can have them ship RAM to your house.

The RAM I got (It was on sale for ($119.99 at the time):
http://www.microcenter.com/product/404938/Ballistix_Eli...

Edit: I'm not like a Micro Center freak or anything. They just happened to have the cheapest prices on all these specific parts!

Edit: Also, on a $2000 build, SSD's are a must! I have a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009NB8WRU/?tag=pcpapi-20
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April 19, 2014 10:33:59 PM

Haswell-e is coming out soon 8 core with DDR4 is worth waiting for. $2000 should be enough to get an 8 core with ddr4, but worse case scenario 6 cores go down in price. OH did I mention X99 chipset is way better than X79.

an 8-core haswell-e with 16gb ram on X99 With a 780ti should last for closer to 5 no problem.

I am still gaming on an i7-2600 @ 4.2 w/ an OC'd 680 w/16gb of ram @1600. My build is two years old and I max out windows experience index.

I was playing starcraft 2 and at one point (cut scene) I was getting 1,100+ FPS on ultra @1080P lol... and your rig will blow mine away!
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April 19, 2014 10:34:09 PM

Here's are some system choices that you may like:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uW1E
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWc4
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWhb
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWk6

Please critique any preferences and I'll update. As others have mentioned a new haswell edition is coming out with ddr4 so you may want to research release dates for that. This noted, any of these rigs will be good for at least 2 years before the industry changes enough where programmers and game developers are forced to completely change protocols for development towards hardware utilizing ddr4 tech etc. Also, I've selected overpowered psu's deliberately should you choose to go sli.
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April 19, 2014 10:37:44 PM

well, when the 8 core ddr4 chips come out, you will also need a new board, new ram, and those will be extremly expensive, sort of like the fx 9XXX lol
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April 19, 2014 10:38:55 PM

jnewegger23 said:
Here's are some system choices that you may like:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uW1E
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWc4
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWhb
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWk6

Please critique any preferences and I'll update. As others have mentioned a new haswell edition is coming out with ddr4 so you may want to research release dates for that. This noted, any of these rigs will be good for at least 2 years before the industry changes enough where programmers and game developers are forced to completely change protocols for development towards hardware utilizing ddr4 tech etc. Also, I've selected overpowered psu's deliberately should you choose to go sli.


Why did you put the extreme 6 core for a thousand and not just the regular 600 dollar 6 core? Thats enough to buy another 780 lol!
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April 19, 2014 10:39:15 PM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
Haswell-e is coming out soon 8 core with DDR4 is worth waiting for. $2000 should be enough to get an 8 core with ddr4, but worse case scenario 6 cores go down in price. OH did I mention X99 chipset is way better than X79.

an 8-core haswell-e with 16gb ram on X99 With a 780ti should last for closer to 5 no problem.

I am still gaming on an i7-2600 @ 4.2 w/ an OC'd 680 w/16gb of ram @1600. My build is two years old and I max out windows experience index.

I was playing starcraft 2 and at one point (cut scene) I was getting 1,100+ FPS on ultra @1080P lol... and your rig will blow mine away!


How long do you think before X99 and the Haswell will be available? Just curious if I should wait
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April 19, 2014 10:41:26 PM

Q3 or Q4 this year is when its all released.
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April 19, 2014 10:52:35 PM

I actually have multiple SSD currently, and a few copies of Windows 7/64 & Windows 8 so don't let that eat into your budget!
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April 19, 2014 10:55:53 PM

ok, so in my build take out the ssd and put in i7 4770k :D 
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April 19, 2014 10:56:03 PM

Yup Q3 or Q4. I would honestly wait, if you cant afford an 8 core, or the 6 cores should come down in price. Also Apps are becoming more multithreaded. Games I believe will be using more cores, because consoles with more cores are using X86. I bought my quad core with hyper threading a while back and do not regret it! Although I should've gotten it unlocked...
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April 19, 2014 10:58:34 PM

or, the i7 4771, it is cheaper than the i7 4770k right now, but it has a locked multiplier, so if you want to OC go with i7 4770k.
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April 19, 2014 11:02:31 PM

Danbuscus, why that particular motherboard? vs the Asus Maximus VI Extreme ATX LGA1150 Motherboard Just asking....
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April 19, 2014 11:04:49 PM

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April 19, 2014 11:13:09 PM

it is a lot cheaper. if you have the money, go for the maximus extreme. or, if you dont need this computer now, you can wait untill the new chips come out, but at the price it wouldnt be worth it. if you live by a microcenter, you can get a i7 4770k for $250 :D 
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April 19, 2014 11:19:54 PM

So you're saying the maximus extreme isn't worth the current price?
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April 19, 2014 11:57:46 PM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
jnewegger23 said:
Here's are some system choices that you may like:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uW1E
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWc4
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWhb
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uWk6

Please critique any preferences and I'll update. As others have mentioned a new haswell edition is coming out with ddr4 so you may want to research release dates for that. This noted, any of these rigs will be good for at least 2 years before the industry changes enough where programmers and game developers are forced to completely change protocols for development towards hardware utilizing ddr4 tech etc. Also, I've selected overpowered psu's deliberately should you choose to go sli.


Why did you put the extreme 6 core for a thousand and not just the regular 600 dollar 6 core? Thats enough to buy another 780 lol!


I did that in case he wanted the very best regardless of price to performance ratio. I've listed much more cost effective solutions as well.
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April 20, 2014 12:09:04 AM

The only overclocking I plan on doing is whatever the software will easily allow me to do. I don't know anything about proper overclocking.
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April 20, 2014 7:44:17 AM

ddaigle said:
So you're saying the maximus extreme isn't worth the current price?


Personally, I think ASUS's ROG boards are mostly overpriced. You can usually find a very similarly optioned board for much cheaper. I have ASUS's Sabretooth for AMD's FX CPU's. It's very similar in specs to the Crosshair V Formula Z (that board is kind of like the Maximus Extreme for AMD). But the Sabretooth was like $90 cheaper (on sale).

However, the Maximus Extreme is a pretty awesome board. It's one of the few ROG boards where the extra you pay actually translates into a substantially better board. I can't really advise you against it, especially if you love its features.

Have a happy Easter, all!
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April 20, 2014 9:11:22 AM

jnewegger23 said:
ddaigle said:
What are your thoughts on this particular build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uXsj


I noticed you selected the k model. Do you plan on overclocking then? I would recommend this build then:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3uYuz


I noticed a slight difference in the card you used in your build vs the one I used. Is there really much of a difference between the two for almost $200?
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April 20, 2014 10:45:18 AM

one has 2-way sli 780's, the other 2-way sli 780 TI's. the Ti card is a little better.
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April 20, 2014 4:52:04 PM

ASUS boards make it very easy to OC. I have a P8P67 Deluxe, Look for the one with the highest quality parts and warranties. Read reviews by toms, andandtech, overclockers.net etc.
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April 20, 2014 5:05:45 PM

Thanks for your answer. Do you know if there's a difference at all between the two cards I linked? They're both 780ti cards, just different brands.
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April 20, 2014 7:03:27 PM

ddaigle said:
Thanks for your answer. Do you know if there's a difference at all between the two cards I linked? They're both 780ti cards, just different brands.


The EVGA card is superclocked, which means it is overclocked right out of the box.
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April 20, 2014 10:39:04 PM

Some may criticize the performance to dollar ratio but I'd be straight jealous! I envy you being able to put together such a system. It will be one of the best you can enjoy over the next 2 to 3 years. Yes, ddr4 is coming late fall or so, but like I stated earlier it will take some time for everything to catch up. Till then, this will be a very enjoyable build! Have fun!
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April 21, 2014 10:47:06 AM

well, that cpu does not come with any cooler, so you will have to get your own seperatly. also, you have room for another 780 ti or 2 :D 
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April 21, 2014 11:57:44 AM

Danbuscus25 said:
well, that cpu does not come with any cooler, so you will have to get your own seperatly. also, you have room for another 780 ti or 2 :D 


I have an H100i that I'm going to re-use in this build. I figured I'd wait a couple months and add the second 780 ti at that point :p 
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April 21, 2014 12:03:11 PM

ddaigle said:
Opinions / tweaking on this build? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vyDJ


For gaming a 4930K will be wasted. It's just not necessary to have such a high powered CPU for that kind of purpose. You should invest more in the graphics card. Like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($175.75 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($143.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($161.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($669.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($669.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 (Gunmetal) ATX Full Tower Case ($137.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE90 V2 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($23.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($94.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2579.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-21 15:02 EDT-0400)

That is how you spend $2500 on a gaming rig.
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April 21, 2014 12:55:15 PM

i would get the first build, socket 1150 is the future of intel :D 
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April 21, 2014 12:57:10 PM

That Build looks AMAZING! Read about the bottleneck in the quad 295 article. You can have too little CPU sometimes (I am not quite convinced that it's not driver issues though :/ , just something to think about). That 6-core is really a lot for gaming. The i7 quad core haswell refresh are supposed to OC very well, and that would definitely be enough. I have also read that 1866 with low timings is great for gaming. Stick a SSD like a SAMSUNG or M500 and you should be good to go!

Another thought you can keep on upgrading your GPU no problem I think for the next 2-3 years with that CPU and not have it be a bottleneck....
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April 21, 2014 1:00:12 PM

ddaigle said:
Alright, I've narrowed it down between these two builds:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vT1w

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vyDJ

Just wondering if I'll actually see $300 worth of a performance gain between the first and second option.


I would wait for at least the haswell refresh, if not haswell-e. See how well both overclock and price/performance and then jump right in! Or at the very least you know that 6-core is ready for 4K...
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April 21, 2014 1:01:22 PM

ddaigle said:
Alright, I've narrowed it down between these two builds:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vT1w

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vyDJ

Just wondering if I'll actually see $300 worth of a performance gain between the first and second option.


Neither. You don't need 1200W for a single card (and even dual cards you don't need over 850W provided you get a solidly made PSU), and you also don't need that overpriced motherboard or RAM for gaming.
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April 21, 2014 1:19:18 PM

g-unit1111 said:
ddaigle said:
Alright, I've narrowed it down between these two builds:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vT1w

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vyDJ

Just wondering if I'll actually see $300 worth of a performance gain between the first and second option.


Neither. You don't need 1200W for a single card (and even dual cards you don't need over 850W provided you get a solidly made PSU), and you also don't need that overpriced motherboard or RAM for gaming.


Yeah, that PSU is overkill, but toms did use a 1300w for a quad SLI set up LOL. Shouldn't a 850W or a 1000W PSU work? Also I have read that 1866 ram at low timings is the sweet spot for gaming. ASUS has some nice boards with SLI and other great specs for around $200-$300.

All in all I agree, I got my ANTEC 1200 W/ an ANTEC 1000W PSU for 300 all together. A great ASUS MOBO can be had for cheaper. And 1866 can be had for cheaper. I would put that saved money into a SSD and I would wait for a 6gb 780ti, coming out in May or June I believe.

Now writing a paper on Bordetella pertussis (whooping cough)... so much fun :D 
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April 21, 2014 5:13:57 PM

Alright, so ... now I'm confused again! lol ....

I already have a Samsung 840 pro SSD so I'm good there.

I plan on getting another 780 ti for SLI within the next couple of months. With that said, I can see downgrading the PSU a little. Recommendations?

I suppose I can go down to the i7-4770k vs the 4930...

I went with the DDR3-2400 ram because it was a very minimal difference between the 1866 and 2400. Should I still get the 1866 anyway?
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April 21, 2014 5:28:28 PM

ddaigle said:
Alright, so ... now I'm confused again! lol ....

I already have a Samsung 840 pro SSD so I'm good there.

I plan on getting another 780 ti for SLI within the next couple of months. With that said, I can see downgrading the PSU a little. Recommendations?

I suppose I can go down to the i7-4770k vs the 4930...

I went with the DDR3-2400 ram because it was a very minimal difference between the 1866 and 2400. Should I still get the 1866 anyway?


I would get 1866 RAM. Crucial RAM. Always.
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April 21, 2014 5:52:09 PM

wolverine96 said:
ddaigle said:
Alright, so ... now I'm confused again! lol ....

I already have a Samsung 840 pro SSD so I'm good there.

I plan on getting another 780 ti for SLI within the next couple of months. With that said, I can see downgrading the PSU a little. Recommendations?

I suppose I can go down to the i7-4770k vs the 4930...

I went with the DDR3-2400 ram because it was a very minimal difference between the 1866 and 2400. Should I still get the 1866 anyway?


I would get 1866 RAM. Crucial RAM. Always.


Suggestion on the crucial ram?
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April 21, 2014 6:29:52 PM

Corsair RAM! :p 
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April 21, 2014 6:57:05 PM

Corsair Vengeance Pro vs Dominator Platinum?

Vengeance Pro seems to be faster, but Dominator Platinum seems to be the step above? and more expensive? Worth the cost?
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April 21, 2014 7:06:20 PM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
Yeah, that PSU is overkill, but toms did use a 1300w for a quad SLI set up LOL. Shouldn't a 850W or a 1000W PSU work? Also I have read that 1866 ram at low timings is the sweet spot for gaming. ASUS has some nice boards with SLI and other great specs for around $200-$300.

All in all I agree, I got my ANTEC 1200 W/ an ANTEC 1000W PSU for 300 all together. A great ASUS MOBO can be had for cheaper. And 1866 can be had for cheaper. I would put that saved money into a SSD and I would wait for a 6gb 780ti, coming out in May or June I believe.

Now writing a paper on Bordetella pertussis (whooping cough)... so much fun :D 


If you're running a quad SLI setup consisting of GTX 780TIs, then yeah 1200W+ is warranted. But for a single or dual card setup I don't think it's really necessary.
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