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Socket Longevity: 1150 vs AM3+

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April 20, 2014 9:04:37 AM

I am building a new computer and I have done a lot of reading on which processor to get and for me it all comes down to upgradeability. I have read about AMD pulling out of the enthusiast market and I am now torn. Intel will surely use Socket 1150 for their next line of processors, but the current Haswells have cooling issues and I want to overclock. On the other hand, AMD might never upgrade their enthusiast processors and AMD sockets last longer than Intel sockets.

I am not asking about which processor to get, AMD vs Intel, I just want to know which motherboard socket to buy that will last through a processor upgrade.

On a side note, how bad is the Haswell cooling issue?
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April 20, 2014 9:11:46 AM

haswell does not have cooling issues, you an hit a 4.3/4.4 ~ 25% OC on air.

AMD sockets don't really last longer, they just put a + on the end and up the power limits leaving the same sockets with two wholly different sets of processors they can support. There are a number of threads on here of 'I just installed AMD processor X and now it doesn't work' the answer is it's not on the approved list for that board because you've got an AM3+ processor on an AM3 board
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April 20, 2014 9:24:35 AM

13thmonkey said:
haswell does not have cooling issues, you an hit a 4.3/4.4 ~ 25% OC on air.

AMD sockets don't really last longer, they just put a + on the end and up the power limits leaving the same sockets with two wholly different sets of processors they can support. There are a number of threads on here of 'I just installed AMD processor X and now it doesn't work' the answer is it's not on the approved list for that board because you've got an AM3+ processor on an AM3 board


Really? I have been reading about all kinds of Haswell heat issues and how people have to delid the CPU and replace the low quality thermal paste Intel used instead of solder. Did they fix this issue or are people making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is? If what you say is true it looks like I should go with the Socket 1150.
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April 20, 2014 10:03:41 AM

They are making a much bigger deal than it really is. My ivy bridge suffers the same, but at 4.3 on air (vs 3.5 stock) I max at perhaps 60C when gaming, on a technical limit of 90C. Whereas AMD will also hit 60C, but they have a much lower limit. That to me makes it sound like AMD have the problem.

Also consider a 80w (ish) processor for a haswell chip, vs 125W for AMD, again which requires the most cooling.

The problem with the thermal paste is such that the chips heat up and cool down very very quickly, and then the heat gets dissipated as the heat can't get away from the chip, it's not a hot chip, just a poorly cooled chip but still better than the competition, or the generations before sandybridge.
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April 20, 2014 10:15:21 AM

So apparently after doing more research it doesn't really matter what I get because by the time I need to upgrade my CPU I will need a new socket motherboard anyway. Intel only uses its current socket for 2 CPU generations and then makes a new socket. By the time the first CPU would need to be upgraded there would be a new socket out that would require a new motherboard. The second CPU in Intel makes for a socket is usually not much better than the first CPU and does not warrant an upgrade.

I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and upgrade my motherboard in a couple of years. I have decided to get an Intel i5 4xxx because my love of AMD can't overlook the performance difference between AMD and Intel this generation. I don't know which processor yet but that shouldn't be hard to research.
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