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April 20, 2014 9:56:48 PM

PARTS ARE:
CPU: INTEL i5 4670k
MOBO: ASUS MAXIMUS 6 HERO
PSU: CORSAIR GS 700
RAM: CORSAIR VENGEANCE 8GB*2
GPU: SAPPHIRE R9 290 TRI-X

ANY CHANGES?
I'LL BE PLAYING @ 2560*1440

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April 20, 2014 10:53:12 PM

It's a high-end gaming PC. Sure, it's "great".

I wouldn't play every game at 2560x1440 though. Many look almost exactly the same at 1920x1080 but would allow higher frame rates or higher quality settings.

My general rule-of-thumb is that I play at 2560x1440 only if I can maintain 60FPS at max (or near-max) quality. You should be playing Crysis 3 for example at 1920x1080, and CIV5 or similar at 2560x1440. Top-down, "god" games tend to look better on high-res monitors due to the small HUD/text elements and luckily these games don't tend to be as demanding either.

Crysis 3 looks nearly identical at 1920x1080 as 2560x1440 (on the same 1440p monitor) but at a 30% performance difference so you'd have to lower quality settings or suffer a lower frame rate which results in a POORER game experience.

FYI, the "greatest" gaming PC's will be those using G-Sync monitors and that requires an NVidia graphics card so if that interests you I suggest something like the EVGA GTX780 967MHz ($510 USD).

Wasn't sure if you had a 2560x1440 monitor yet. If you did then you likely won't upgrade for a long time so G-Sync wouldn't be a big deal. If you didn't, it's still hard to justify as the Asus G-Sync 2560x1440 27" 120Hz model will be $800USD initially and you can get an Asus non-GSync IPS 60Hz monitor at same basic specs for $530USD.

DDR3 memory:
Unless you edit video, more than 8GB is overkill. You can get a good G. Skill 2x4GB kit for $65 USD through pcpartpicker.
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April 20, 2014 11:04:13 PM

I CHECKED THE 780, BUT I WANT "MANTLE".
YES U ARE RIGHT THAT 1920*1020 AND 2560*1600, MOST GAMES LOOK THE SAME
& WHAT IS G-SYNC?
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April 21, 2014 3:44:27 AM

saggers123 said:
I CHECKED THE 780, BUT I WANT "MANTLE".
YES U ARE RIGHT THAT 1920*1020 AND 2560*1600, MOST GAMES LOOK THE SAME
& WHAT IS G-SYNC?


G-Sync is like mantle for Nvidia, the only problem is that you can only use G-Sync on a G-Sync monitor... Not a lot of games have implemented mantle yet (except for Battlefield 4), so there is only a point in buying specifically for mantle if you see a future in mantle. The build is pretty good, but the 290 is quiet loud in general. If noise doesn't matter to you the 290 will be a great choice.
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April 21, 2014 10:20:56 AM

i have checked the asus nvidia 780 direct CU2, 75$ more than the sapphire r9 290 tri-x, is it worth the 75$??????
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April 21, 2014 11:08:21 AM

saggers123 said:
i have checked the asus nvidia 780 direct CU2, 75$ more than the sapphire r9 290 tri-x, is it worth the 75$??????


Pure performance wise the 290 will beat the 780. But I'd personally go for the 780. One of the main reasons is noise. The 290 sounds like a jet taking off under load LOL. So unless you really really don't care about noise, the 290 will be fine. Another problem is heat. The 290 runs very hot... The 780 runs at pretty nice temperatures compared to the 290. Further more, the Nvidia card can be OC'ed. The 290 would more likely be underclocked to decrease the noise/heat.

For me it is a no-brainer, 780 all the way :p .
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April 22, 2014 1:56:03 AM

but with the sapphire edition of three fan cooling, will it run that hot???
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April 22, 2014 2:15:18 AM

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April 22, 2014 8:27:03 AM

saggers123 said:
but with the sapphire edition of three fan cooling, will it run that hot???


All of the run hot :p . They are made for maximum performance. AMD is trying to get the maximum possible out of the GPU. In the case of the 290 this results in higher temperatures (which shouldn't be a very big problem except you won't be able to OC), but the noise will be a problem for some people.

If you don't care about noise, the 290 is a great card. I'd prefer a bit quieter/ cooler / OC'able card in general.
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April 22, 2014 9:39:10 PM

another question: but in most games, r9 290 beats 780
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April 22, 2014 9:44:35 PM

The GTX780 is better, but if you insist on AMD, why not go for the 290x?
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April 22, 2014 9:49:44 PM

290x & 780 ti - both are super overpriced in this country
290x-750$
750 ti-850$
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April 22, 2014 10:02:27 PM

Wow that is terrible
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April 22, 2014 10:05:10 PM

i could go for the 780, but i then need to have a cheaper mobo...................
any advise on the mobo???
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April 22, 2014 10:09:08 PM

What country?
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April 22, 2014 10:12:21 PM

INDIA
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April 22, 2014 10:30:36 PM

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April 22, 2014 10:33:03 PM

It's tough. You really can't go wrong with either. You could probably get a cheaper motherboard anyway. The 290 and 780 trade blows, but I prefer the 780 for all of the reasons stated above, and for the fact that nvidia usually has superior driver support. You would benefit from the extra vram the 290 has to offer though.
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April 22, 2014 10:37:04 PM

& what would be the cheaper mobo??
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April 22, 2014 10:47:20 PM

Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H
MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming
Asus Z87 Pro
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April 22, 2014 10:57:03 PM

saggers123 said:
but with the sapphire edition of three fan cooling, will it run that hot???


the Sapphire Tri-x cooler is one of the best coolers, low temps and low noise
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April 22, 2014 10:58:50 PM

saggers123 said:
I CHECKED THE 780, BUT I WANT "MANTLE".
YES U ARE RIGHT THAT 1920*1020 AND 2560*1600, MOST GAMES LOOK THE SAME
& WHAT IS G-SYNC?


I've found in BF4 and thief, with a decent CPU and GPU, Mantle gives no significant improvement and in fact can cause graphical glitches. I think it helps low end AMD CPUs more.
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April 22, 2014 10:59:16 PM

i do think so.
& cpu changing to i7 4770k
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April 22, 2014 11:01:40 PM

leeb2013 said:
saggers123 said:
I CHECKED THE 780, BUT I WANT "MANTLE".
YES U ARE RIGHT THAT 1920*1020 AND 2560*1600, MOST GAMES LOOK THE SAME
& WHAT IS G-SYNC?


I've found in BF4 and thief, with a decent CPU and GPU, Mantle gives no significant improvement and in fact can cause graphical glitches. I think it helps low end AMD CPUs more.


are you sure?
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April 22, 2014 11:03:31 PM

Mantle helps best when more cpu power is needed AKA all AMD cpus lol
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April 22, 2014 11:04:27 PM

Don't upgrade to the 4770k. If you want to upgrade, pay the extra 8000rs for the 290x
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April 22, 2014 11:06:38 PM

then...............................
780,but without mantle too the r9 290 looks good on that price
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April 22, 2014 11:09:31 PM

CTurbo said:
Don't upgrade to the 4770k. If you want to upgrade, pay the extra 8000rs for the 290x


how much performance difference beetween the r9 290 & r9 290x?
& that comes with the reference cooler, that's why iam not buying it.
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April 22, 2014 11:21:42 PM

oh i didn't see it.
but downgrading to i5, downgrading mobo, will it be worth it?
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April 22, 2014 11:29:34 PM

Yes. Yes it's worth it to get the best video card you can afford. You could even scrap overclocking altogether. It is not particularly cost effective. If you still want to overclock, you could get the 4670k and the cheapest Z87 motherboard by Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, or ASRock. None of them are "cheap" and any of them would be fine.
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April 22, 2014 11:31:51 PM

but if get the cheapest, i cannot be able to add another r9 290x
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April 22, 2014 11:56:43 PM

Yeah that's about right. The difference is usually around 10-15% between the two. That's more than you think though.
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April 23, 2014 12:25:06 AM

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April 23, 2014 12:28:14 AM

I have always used Logitech so I would go with one of them.


All of the lower priced Z87 motherboards support crossfire.
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April 23, 2014 12:34:09 AM

but as the secondary slot will be in x4 mode, the crossfired r9 290x will be running at only upto x4 mode.:( 
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April 23, 2014 12:45:27 AM

Not all of them. There are many middle tier Z87s that have two PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots like the ASRock Z87 Extreme3 or Extreme4 and the Gigabyte Z87 D3H boards.
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April 23, 2014 12:45:50 AM

and it will also need crossfire bridge
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April 23, 2014 12:49:18 AM

hmm....
what would be the power supply to feed this rig within 6500?
will corsair gs 700 right?
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April 23, 2014 1:08:13 AM

A psu powerful enough to run two 290s or two 290xs in crossfire? I recommend 850w 80+ Bronze minimum.

I'm looking at flipkart and theitdepot and it looks like 6500rs is not going to be enough to get a good dependable psu to handle 290s or 290xs in crossfire.

I recommend Antec or Seasonic
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April 23, 2014 1:11:49 AM

what should i pick then within 8500?
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April 23, 2014 1:16:24 AM

can i use two power supply units?
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April 23, 2014 6:53:01 AM

Oke, this is the pretty much the best you are going to get / best for your money:
CPU - STAY with the 4670k, no need for the 4770k unless you are planning on heavy rendering/hosting --> i7 doesn't add performance to games.
GPU - Take the 780.
MB - To be able to buy the 780, but a Asrock Z87 Extreme 4 MB. It is cheaper and not an "entry level board". The Gigabyte is entry level, the MSI mentioned is just more expensive. Also, an expensive motherboard doesn't mean a HUGE FPS increase - go for stability. --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeuJAOVRoA0

For the PSU - 650w will be more than enough and leave room for OC (take 80+ bronze/higher). And no, you make 2 PSU's work together in a rig.
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April 23, 2014 10:05:32 AM

saggers123 said:
ok but the site http://www.coolermaster.outervision.com/PSUEngine
says i need an 642w power supply


That is the "worst case scenario". With that I mean that they are going from the point of view that the user has a really crappy PSU. 650w 80+ bronze / higher will more MORE than plenty, trust me =).
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April 23, 2014 10:18:31 AM

650w is more than enough for one 290 or 780, but it's not enough for crossfire or SLI
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