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April 21, 2014 8:49:56 AM

Hello,
This thread is intended for feedback regarding a tutorial I published for builds in the Indian market. If there's any feedback, let me know!

Tutorial: here

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April 21, 2014 12:01:03 PM

Hi there. Nice tutorial.
I would like to point out something in the medium budget build:
The Gtx 660 is a fairly older card. Go with the R9 270X from AMD.Same price,little better performance. Another advantage is since the motherboard supports Crossfire going with AMD is logical because you can add another GPU later on.
Good luck
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April 21, 2014 12:51:34 PM

Yes, you're right.
However, I wanted to be as tight as possible with the budget, and the 270x is around 2000-3000 more. But yes, the 270x is definitely better than the 660.
I didn't really consider crossfire/sli in this build, but funnily enough, both the PSU and GPU(if gotten AMD) support it.

You know what, the 270 fits the profile better.
It's around 15k too, and it can be crossfired.
Thanks. That was helpful.
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April 21, 2014 2:36:31 PM

Any reason why you went with the i3 on the budget build instead of an AMD FX-6300 build? Just curious since the fx-6300s tend to be cheaper and get you about the same performance.
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April 21, 2014 10:45:48 PM

There's no reason really, I have used Intel processors whenever I've used PC's so I can't really comment on an AMD processor, and I find that having an integrated graphics processor helps, especially when your graphics card has problems.
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April 22, 2014 12:59:27 AM

Not bad, but the intel core i5 4570 has better price to performance ratio then the intel core i5 4440 or even the 4430 while being more powerful and at the same price.

Some people may need peripherals like a Monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones and ups.

Also you can get a GTX 760 for 17.5k inr. Try fitting it in :) 
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April 22, 2014 1:32:54 AM

I'd have to label it as a 60k build in that case. The 4570 is 14204 and the 760 is 17.5, but the good ones are around 20, which are of the non-reference design.
I'd not compromise on quality, all the graphics cards I recommend to people are non reference. They run quieter and cooler, and are overclockable better too.

There's only 100 rupee difference between the 4440 and 4430, and Intel says 4440 has a "QPI" link, which is a high speed bus between the processor and chipset. Besides, it's 100MHz faster and a month newer.
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April 22, 2014 1:43:13 AM

cst1992 said:
I'd have to label it as a 60k build in that case. The 4570 is 14204 and the 760 is 17.5, but the good ones are around 20, which are of the non-reference design.
I'd not compromise on quality, all the graphics cards I recommend to people are non reference. They run quieter and cooler, and are overclockable better too.

There's only 100 rupee difference between the 4440 and 4430, and Intel says 4440 has a "QPI" link, which is a high speed bus between the processor and chipset. Besides, it's 100MHz faster and a month newer.
http://www.junglee.com/Intel-i5-4570-Quad-Core-Processo...


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April 22, 2014 1:59:05 AM

It says 15517 on Amazon's site. I'll include it as a 4570k in the 80k build if I decide to do it with a z87 motherboard.
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April 22, 2014 2:20:06 PM

cst1992 said:
Hello,
This thread is intended for feedback regarding a tutorial I published for builds in the Indian market. If there's any feedback, let me know!

Tutorial: here


Thanks for the tutorial, however i had a question. If i wanted to add a graphics card (Budget Rs. 8000-10000) for the budget PC build (Rs.28000) which one would be best?
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April 22, 2014 2:38:20 PM

sourav9535 said:


Thanks for the tutorial, however i had a question. If i wanted to add a graphics card (Budget Rs. 8000-10000) for the budget PC build (Rs.28000) which one would be best?


Slightly over budget but the gtx 750 ti would be the best option especially since it is low power usage so you would nt need a power supply upgrade.

http://www.flipkart.com/msi-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750ti-2-...
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April 22, 2014 10:10:44 PM

The fastest card you can put in that build for any budget is the GTX 660.
However, the 750Ti would be good for your budget.
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April 23, 2014 12:03:42 AM

Really sad thing here about graphics cards here is that, compared to the US, prices are higher, and skewed(in the sense higher end graphics cards don't have the same % profit margin as lower end cards, but much higher).
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April 23, 2014 8:01:35 AM

numanator said:
sourav9535 said:


Thanks for the tutorial, however i had a question. If i wanted to add a graphics card (Budget Rs. 8000-10000) for the budget PC build (Rs.28000) which one would be best?


Slightly over budget but the gtx 750 ti would be the best option especially since it is low power usage so you would nt need a power supply upgrade.

http://www.flipkart.com/msi-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750ti-2-...


The price of the card is too high for my budget. Thanks though.
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April 23, 2014 8:09:43 AM

cst1992 said:
The fastest card you can put in that build for any budget is the GTX 660.
However, the 750Ti would be good for your budget.


Both cards are pricey.
However, i am considering Radeon HD 7770 or 7750 for my budget.
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April 23, 2014 8:37:15 AM

The 260 should be the best value.
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April 23, 2014 9:15:10 AM

cst1992 said:
The 260 should be the best value.


Thanks.

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April 24, 2014 9:23:23 AM

I've changed the card in the mid-end 55k build to a Geforce GTX 750Ti, for three reasons:
1. The 660 was SLI capable, and the SLI feature is of no use in the given motherboard. It is assumed that the user is not upgrading the motherboard soon, if at all, and certainly not before the graphics card.
2. The budget was exceeded by around Rs 300, and the 750Ti is cheaper, so now it's around 53000.
3. The 750 Ti is much newer than the 660. It has the Maxwell architecture, which is much more energy efficient than the Kepler of the 660.

I'm currently working on the high-end build, however there's a chance it'll be a INR 100,000 build instead of an 80,000 build, as the latter would just result in a beefed-up version of the 55k build with almost no new features.
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April 25, 2014 3:08:42 AM

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April 29, 2014 2:57:26 AM

Nice tutorial. Actually GTX 660 is better. The only advantage of GTX 750 Ti is the power efficiency. But the GTX 660 offers a lot more performance. Also the pcpartpicker list is pointing to the GTX 660. Antec X1 you suggested and Antec One on pcpartpicker are different cabinets. I didn't check every component in detail, so there might be other issues. Also i would try to fit an i7 in the high end build.

I was actually going to write such a tutorial myself. I was doubting whether Tomshardware.com was a right place to write such a tutorial for Indian users. Also will have to write such a tutorial every quarter just as TomsHardware does with their SBM articles. I was waiting for Watch Dogs to get benchmarked. I hope TomsHardware benches Watch Dogs. Watch Dogs got a recommended CPU requirement of an i7.
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April 29, 2014 9:16:46 AM

X1 is specially in the Indian market.(Also another cabinet is the V1). They're not, and won't be on PCPartPicker. The One is just a filler. You know a better one similar to the X1, let me know.
Thanks for pointing out the error. I'll fix it.
This tutorial is meant to be tight on budget. Mainly Indians consider this kind of budget for gaming, and i7 is not a requirement per se. Although processors' prices are not that inflated, it's still an additional 6000. Another thing I feel is I'd have to include a 780Ti to match the i7, which is twice(actually a little more) the price of the 770. The price of the PC will easily increase by another 30-35 grand.
Personally if you ask me, a watercooled CPU is a given in these kind of rigs, but I stuck with the 212 evo for this same reason.
chimera201 said:
I was doubting whether Tomshardware.com was a right place to write such a tutorial for Indian users.

That's natural, but there are a fair number of Indian users on the forums as well. The real sad thing is the people here don't usually build their own PC's, so vendors take advantage of this. So if there is a good PC for 28k, why not? I bought quite a outdated PC in that price. Too bad I couldn't fit a graphics card and a better PSU in there.

I know, the 660 is better, but did you read this post?
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I've changed the card in the mid-end 55k build to a Geforce GTX 750Ti, for three reasons:
1. The 660 was SLI capable, and the SLI feature is of no use in the given motherboard. It is assumed that the user is not upgrading the motherboard soon, if at all, and certainly not before the graphics card.
2. The budget was exceeded by around Rs 300, and the 750Ti is cheaper, so now it's around 53000.
3. The 750 Ti is much newer than the 660. It has the Maxwell architecture, which is much more energy efficient than the Kepler of the 660.

I'm currently working on the high-end build, however there's a chance it'll be a INR 100,000 build instead of an 80,000 build, as the latter would just result in a beefed-up version of the 55k build with almost no new features.
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April 29, 2014 9:35:18 AM

chimera201 said:
I hope TomsHardware benches Watch Dogs. Watch Dogs got a recommended CPU requirement of an i7.


That's not fair.
That will limit the PC gaming market to the enthusiasts.
Earlier the GPU used to be the bottleneck. People could get away with a mid-range CPU. But this.. just isn't fair.

I'd also like to see what actual benchmarks say, and the game tested on multiple CPUs.
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April 29, 2014 10:18:22 AM

Even if it was just a filler the Antec One cabinet is far better than Antec X1.
The Antec One has front USB 3.0 ports and 2 exhaust fans included.
The Antec X1 is just a show-off(the front gaming look) to fool Indians.
Atleast for the mid-end budget gaming rig I would suggest Cooler Master K Series K281 cabinet for Rs. 3415

The GTX 660 has a better performance/price ratio compared to GTX 750 Ti. GTX 660 supports shadowplay and almost all other features that GTX 750 Ti supports. GTX 750 Ti only does a bit of power saving.
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April 29, 2014 11:24:03 AM

Hmm, yes, I agree on your points there. The X1 has the side slot higher up(for cooling the CPU) rather than the graphics card.
I could recommend your case for the mid-end build. You have any other suggestions? What to you think of the Carbide 330R in the high-end build? I find that a good one for highend gaming builds.

Update: What about the ONE S3? It's a little expensive than the X1, but I could fit it for mid-end.
http://www.antecindia.co.in/product.php?id=NzA0NDAz
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/antec-one-s3-cpu-cabine...
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April 29, 2014 11:19:59 PM

http://www.ebay.in/itm/Brand-New-XFX-R9-280x-3GB-GDDR5-...

GPU

21000

http://www.snapdeal.com/product/gigabyte-b85md3h-mother...

Mobo

5684

http://www.tradus.com//antec-x1-cabinet/p/NSWN0VKUSN4TR...

2445

CV RAM 1X4 Gb BUY TWICE!

http://www.snapdeal.com/product/corsair-vengeance-ddr3-...

Don't forget to buy the ram twice

5400

Intel core i5 4440

http://www.snapdeal.com/product/intel-i54440-processor-...

11608

Internal HDD


http://www.flipkart.com/seagate-barracuda-1-tb-desktop-...

3825

http://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00ALYOPSS/ref=junglee&...

5999
Psu

FULL TOTAL = 55961 Rs.

Have a look. If it's still too much for some they could cut down to just 1x4 GB RAM and upgrade to 2x4 gb later.
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April 30, 2014 1:05:46 AM

State full price. You say RAM is 2700, don't forget to buy twice. Then atleast say it's 5400.
Could do that, but I stick to kits.
Also, 4GB RAM is too less for a 280x in my opinion.
Another thing is the seller on ebay is new, and he lists the item as his only one. I'm skeptical about buying from this seller.
Deal seems pretty good though. Flipkart has the same card for 24700.
Also, power supply is worse than mine, and also more expensive.
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April 30, 2014 2:53:36 AM

cst1992 said:
Hmm, yes, I agree on your points there. The X1 has the side slot higher up(for cooling the CPU) rather than the graphics card.
I could recommend your case for the mid-end build. You have any other suggestions? What to you think of the Carbide 330R in the high-end build? I find that a good one for highend gaming builds.

Update: What about the ONE S3? It's a little expensive than the X1, but I could fit it for mid-end.
http://www.antecindia.co.in/product.php?id=NzA0NDAz
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/antec-one-s3-cpu-cabine...


In the high end build I would prefer a transparent side panel window.
I don't know whether this case is actually available in India or not.
http://in.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_0000...
Thermaltake Chaser A31

CM K281 is cheaper and includes an intake fan compared to Antec One S3

Just noticed that you chose a 80+ Gold PSU for high end build.
80+ Gold and Platinum PSUs are meant for server/database systems that run 24x7 with multiple hard drives in RAID and CPU and HDD at 100% usage.
Gold and Platinum PSUs are meant to bring down electricity bills for datacenters like Steam's Content servers.
A 80+ Bronze PSU is enough for a high end home PC. Just that it should be good.
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May 1, 2014 7:30:04 AM

cst1992 said:
Hello,
This thread is intended for feedback regarding a tutorial I published for builds in the Indian market. If there's any feedback, let me know!

Tutorial: here


Thank you for the detail tutorial for Indian Users. Can we choose our favorite parts and make them from all three budgets pc components or add it to already using desktop.
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May 1, 2014 8:04:25 AM

My Current PC Configuration:

System Model GA-880GM-UD2H
System Type x64-based PC
Processor AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1055T Processor, 2800 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 6 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Award Software International, Inc. F8, 10/11/2010
Time Zone India Standard Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB
Graphics Card Sapphire AMD/ATI HD 4670

Like to purchase components one by one,
Can i use this one first ! While upgrading i will choose mid-level or high-level Graphic Card ?
http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-radeon-hd-5450...

Which graphics card fro mthis list or you can mention me a good one. I will upgrade whole system soon.(high-level one)
http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-radeon-r9-270-...

http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-radeon-r7-250-...

Sapphire AMD/ATI V4900

And pc cabinet now:
http://www.amazon.in/Cooler-Master-Elite-120-Advanced/d...

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May 1, 2014 9:20:14 AM

Dark Orca said:
cst1992 said:
Hello,
This thread is intended for feedback regarding a tutorial I published for builds in the Indian market. If there's any feedback, let me know!

Tutorial: here


Thank you for the detail tutorial for Indian Users. Can we choose our favorite parts and make them from all three budgets pc components or add it to already using desktop.

I have included PCPartPicker link at the bottom of the tutorial. It's not an Indian site, but you can edit configurations easily there. Just keep to the same budget and it should match here as well.
I'd include a link to an Indian site, but there is none as good as far as I know.
Of course, as an alternative you can use the wishlist feature of any online shopping site such as Flipkart, Snapdeal or Amazon.in.
It shows the total price of all selected items.
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May 2, 2014 12:34:13 AM

thank you for the reply.
But i asked few list of graphics card, suggest me.

Graphics card without fan is a good option ?
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May 2, 2014 2:00:28 AM

Dark Orca said:
thank you for the reply.
But i asked few list of graphics card, suggest me.

Graphics card without fan is a good option ?
These days there are practically no GPUs that run without a fan and if they do they have liquid cooling instead, such as: Oil, Hydro, LN2 etc. the GPUs that don't have any sort of cooling are the ones from the 90s you might not want to get those.

What would you use the Graphic card for? Workstation or Gaming or both? What's your budget on the GPU.?
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May 2, 2014 2:09:41 AM

I will be used for Adobe CS6 and games like NFS Series and Battle Field.

For two months i will studying and have to work as a designer in a company. Pausing my blog. So two months i have to study, little bit games. And you know that when doing day job - you won't have time for study or gaming.

What about HD 5570 1 GB DDR3 That budget. I had HD 4670 which supported twi 23" monitors. I wasted many months in this.
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May 2, 2014 2:14:50 AM

4cloud said:
GPUs that don't have any sort of cooling are the ones from the 90s you might not want to get those.



That's not a true statement. The Geforce 210 has some variants which are fanless, and it's not a 90s card. It's a 2009 card.
One guy even modified a GTX750 to run fanlessly.
What's more, if you search the net, you'll find a variant of the GTX 680 from Colorful which is passively cooled.
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May 2, 2014 2:17:30 AM

Dark Orca said:
I will be used for Adobe CS6 and games like NFS Series and Battle Field.

For two months i will studying and have to work as a designer in a company. Pausing my blog. So two months i have to study, little bit games. And you know that when doing day job - you won't have time for study or gaming.

What about HD 5570 1 GB DDR3 That budget. I had HD 4670 which supported twi 23" monitors. I wasted many months in this.


Get a respectable card, or stick with your old one.
If your budget is around 7000, get the AMD R7 250. If it's around 10000, get a GTX 750 Ti. If more, a GTX660 or better.
Also, did you get my PM?
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May 3, 2014 5:36:00 AM

cst1992 said:
State full price. You say RAM is 2700, don't forget to buy twice. Then atleast say it's 5400.
Could do that, but I stick to kits.
Also, 4GB RAM is too less for a 280x in my opinion.
Another thing is the seller on ebay is new, and he lists the item as his only one. I'm skeptical about buying from this seller.
Deal seems pretty good though. Flipkart has the same card for 24700.
Also, power supply is worse than mine, and also more expensive.
Hey cst1992, could you please send me a link to a good PSU to the build I suggested above in this thread instead of the Corsair CX 600 WM? I was thinking Antec.
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May 3, 2014 5:54:56 AM

I'd stick to the Seasonic one in my original PC.
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May 3, 2014 6:18:24 AM

What happened? Did i point out too many errors? What do you think of the Thermaltake Chaser A31?
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May 3, 2014 6:20:24 AM

It's not available. Says 'Out of Stock'.
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May 3, 2014 6:30:27 AM

cst1992 said:
It's not available. Says 'Out of Stock'.


Yeah. But it's not like your system build is supposed to be purchased right now. It can come in stock later.
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May 3, 2014 6:34:44 AM

I had originally thought of a NZXT Phantom 410, but it was too small for the MSI 770 card. So I went with the 330R.
The Chaser seems to be a good case too.
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May 3, 2014 6:52:46 AM

The got the Seasonic S12II for 300 Rs cheaper on snapdeal.

Have a look at this site for those who don't know about it. it shows a single part from different sites at different prices, basically it's like PCpartpicker and shows the lowest cost of the part first for eg. Type: Seasonic 620 and they give the list of all prices from all stores.

http://compare.buyhatke.com

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May 3, 2014 8:56:39 AM

Nice!
Too bad it doesn't have a list feature.
However, this site does not list the S12II on Snapdeal.
I prefer Flipkart, it has great service.
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May 4, 2014 8:03:24 AM

I am also writing a tutorial for Indians. I just hope it doesn't go over the top
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May 4, 2014 8:23:14 AM

I look forward to it.
BTW where are you from?
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May 4, 2014 12:11:06 PM

Try replying to the 'thread deleted from tom's hardware' message. I got a reply from a mod soon afterwards.
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May 5, 2014 12:20:14 AM

cst1992 said:
Try replying to the 'thread deleted from tom's hardware' message. I got a reply from a mod soon afterwards.


I don't see anyone else making feedback threads about their tutorials. So yeah , it's not meant to be made i guess.
Otherwise people like viveknayyar007 who writes 10 tutorials per day will spam 10 feedback threads everyday. I lost the link to my thread. But I'm not trying again.

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