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Having second thoughts about the H100i.. any good alternatives?

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April 22, 2014 12:37:49 PM

After reading endless threads regarding temps being really high even at stock clocks (on 4770k), I'm starting to have second thoughts about getting the h100i for my future build. I still would like an AIO closed-loop, that would fit in the top of my 800D.

Are there any suggestions that might be better than the h100i? Thanks!
Ps, here is my build:

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3jJDO
pps, I will be using the PC primarily for gaming on triple monitors, if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance!

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April 22, 2014 12:45:25 PM

Thermaltake CLW0217 Water 2.0 Extreme/All-In-One Liquid Cooling System
It has a much thicker radiator which will provide better heat dissipation.
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April 22, 2014 12:45:57 PM

I have an H100i on an FX8350 @ 5.2Ghz @ 1.48Vcore with four Noctua NF-F12 in push pull. I have yet to see my temps get above 60C.
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April 22, 2014 12:48:24 PM

I personally don't recommend AIO closed-loops, they really aren't that much better than good air-coolers. If you don't want to do a fully-custom system, you could get a kit like this:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22329/ex-wat-282/Kool...

It's double the price, and I don't necessarily recommend this kit, it's just an example.

I would say, "Make your own custom kit. Then you know exactly everything that's in it, and you can choose the best in your price range." But it is pretty expensive compared to AIO kits. And a lot more work. It's much better, though.
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April 22, 2014 12:54:58 PM

I don't understand the entire AIO concept..... for the risk of having water inside ya PC that could short out ya entire box, should bring you something significant in return more than being able to tell ya friends ya system is water cooled. That something has to be significantly lower temps and significantly lower noise. No AIO is capable of delivering that. The only current popular AIO that makes sense is the H110 well known which matches the Noctua DH14 in performance while being 1 dBA quieter.



Now the Phanteks PH-TC14-PE* keeps things cooler than the Noc so the question is .... why take that risk when

Phanteks air cooler outperforms the H110 thermally
Phanteks is a hair louder than the H110
Phanteks ($75) is $35 cheaper than the H110 ($110)
Phanteks can't leak.

The Noctua DH-14 and Thermalright Silver Arrow remain comparable (within 0.5 to .0 C) to the Phanteks.

There are other units worth considering but to my mind the ROI (Return on Investment) is just not there. Now I saw this typing from a fully water cooled system so I'm not at all down on water cooling..... but this box is dead silent (fans speeds (350 - 850 rm), my GFX cards are at 39c under furmark and CPU is at 4.6 GHx still lidded at 74C.

For that kinda temps and noise levels, I see a ROI, ..... on th AIOs for what they deliver, I don't see it.

As to the rest, I wouldn't go neat the EVGA SC (it's a reference card with a nice cooler). I have a 25% core OC and 20% OC on the Asus ones..... next best is the new MSI 9came out after article below)

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4639/10/nvidia-geforce-...

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All four manufacturers - ASUS, EVGA, Inno3D and MSI - made something special out of their GeForce GTX 780. The card that impressed us the most, however, was the ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5. The new cooler works like charm, and its performance is clearly reflected by the test results. The card also manages to stay very quiet and offers the best overclocking potential thanks to the new cooler. ASUS earns the Gold Award for its card.

We can't leave out the card from MSI. While it's slightly less overclocked and has less overall overclocking potential than the cards from Inno3D and EVGA, it's extremely quiet under load, the most silent of them all. It's also significantly cheaper than the other three, so if you're not planning on extreme overclocking, this MSI card is the best option.

An honorable mention goes to the Inno3D card. Out of the box it's the fastest, and while you can yourself get the other cards to the same level of performance, it's nice to have it guaranteed if you're not an experienced overclocker.

The EVGA ACX Superclocked also isn't a bad card. The only problem is that about the same amount of money will net you the ASUS card, a card which is superior in terms of cooling, noise and overclocking potential. EVGA will have to drop its prices to MSI levels to keep its card interesting.


Asus is $20 cheaper and MSI is $60 cheaper.

On the MoBo.....the GD65 is far superior board

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z87_gd65_ga...

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MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z8...

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Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.


If ya wanted the GTX 770 ya could save another $50
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

DDR3-1333 ?

Mushkin DDR301600 CAS9 faster and saves $6
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Corsair Vengeance pro also faster and cheaper *
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

* May hit cooler if ya going air cooling

The Black is a bit old but still has a great warranty but is 30% slower than the top performers.



Again, I'd start out with maybe an Aphacool UT-280 Rad, D5 pump, XSPC Res, EK Supemacy CPU Water Block for what ya have now..... adding a XT45-420 rad in the future will handle two water cooled 780s

$77 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16825/ex-rad-426/Alph...

$73 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/19628/ex-blc-1442/EK_...

$58 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17509/ex-res-432/EK-M...

$160 Pump / Res Combo
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21479/ex-pmp-264/XSPC...

Yes, $368 is more than an AIO but this ya can expand to a full blown WC system merely by adding GPU water block(s)
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April 22, 2014 1:04:59 PM

Personally I like the Noctura NH=D14 I replaced my H80I with this, and am SO glad I did! Runs much cooler, and it's VERY quiet.
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April 22, 2014 1:07:13 PM

i fully agree, a phanteks or noctua is so close in performance to aio kits and cost a little/lot less that dealing with maintaining a water kit isn't worth it unless your going to get some extreme cooling performance from an alphacool/xspc setup.

though if you have a rig that you will be moving around a lot, ditching the heavy air coolers is the only way to go. also mini-itx cases don't fit large air coolers.
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April 22, 2014 1:20:13 PM

Wow thanks for all the replies! I should clarify: The reason I'm going for an AIO is for a few reasons: Money, (they are cheaper, and I'm a student, so ya), easier to install as it will be my first build, less hassle to configure a custom loop, etc etc. Plus with my abilities, I'd just feel more comfortable with an AIO. Also, air really isn't the best way to go, because the 800D really isn't that great for airflow. Thanks!
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