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xCardinals7x
April 22, 2014 7:58:16 PM
Good first build? DayZ standalone on MEDIUM settings? Any suggestions?? Thanks!!
APU - AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard-MSI A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard
Memory-G.Skill NS Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory
Storage- Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case- Azza Orion 202 EVO ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply- Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX PSU
APU - AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard-MSI A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard
Memory-G.Skill NS Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory
Storage- Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case- Azza Orion 202 EVO ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply- Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX PSU
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Deemo13 said:
Do you have a budget? We might be able to map things to give you better graphics. The minimum req for DayZ standalone is an 8800GT. The 7660D in the A10 is a tad slower than that.
Very correct, you'r going to need a separate graphics card, the onboard while it is nice it just isn't enough for actual games games. you could get like a r6 760 or a gtx 750 for about $100ish, those would give medium sometimes high settings.
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xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 3:22:36 AM
xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 3:39:03 AM
You can crossfire your apu graphics, if its identical gpu. Problem with that is your ape graphics are low end, so crossfiring with another low end and your stuck with crossfire (which brings its own issues) 2 low ends which make a high lower end card. Vs just spending the money on a decent single card. Biggest thing you can do for apu graphics is pick up extremely fast ram, 2333 which is more expensive. But graphics cards use ddr5 which is extremely faster than ddr3, which is why the faster ddr3 ram is recommended.
But if your going to spend $100 on a graphics card to crossfire, you could spend $120-150 and get a card that's twice as good, then not have to deal with crossfiring issues as well. More of a win win that way.
But if your going to spend $100 on a graphics card to crossfire, you could spend $120-150 and get a card that's twice as good, then not have to deal with crossfiring issues as well. More of a win win that way.
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xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 7:36:02 AM
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xCardinals7x said:
I was originally going to go with a Amd x4 750k and the HD 7770. Would that be better than the APU?Honestly, your budget is really low (which I'm sure you know). I could make you a build that would work, but it really wouldn't be upgradeable performance wise, so that's the build you'd get. If you could save up another $100 it would really make a (maybe not huge huge) big difference in performance.
Thing about pc, is the parts that really matter, come after you get the core essentials. Case, power supply, ram, hard drive, windows, DVD drive, and such. Those typically cost around $200 ($300 including windows). You can't go cheaper than that as that's just what those cost. You could definitely get better than that for more $, but that's about the standard.
So your budget of $400 without windows leaves you $200 left after core parts. After the core parts (which took half your budget) comes the most expensive parts. Motherboard decent low end $50, leaving the more expensive CPU and gpu. Since low budget means most gpu power possible, id say get a strong Haswell i3 (very strong dual core which no offense AMD Intel beats you here *side note I'm a AMD boy*) and then with the most $ you can get the best gpu you can. That said, id plan on $80-120 for CPU, and same for gpu (minimum you'd want).
After core and mobo you've got $150, lowest id really say is good would be $120 gpu and $90 CPU. That's about $50-75 over budget.
Which big difference going my route, is that you can upgrade. Getting a good strong (but dual core) Haswell, is cheap for now but leaves the option to buy a i5 or even i7 later and just drop in your motherboard. $120 will get you a decent low end AMD card which will give you medium settings at 1080p, possibly high at 720p. If you could go up to $180 for graphics card, you could get high settings at 1080p.
Every little bit more you can save up to have for budget, makes a big difference.
That said, ill try and get a build put together that will be best bang for buck, but will be $500ish, and I will explain fully why I picked every part and why its worth the budget. It wont be until later as I'm already spent to much time writing this than I have at the moment.
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Dblkk said:
You can crossfire your apu graphics, if its identical gpu.APU's do not work this way. They use Dual Graphics for power saving and performance purposes. Tom's had an older article on the performance of the Dual Graphics and whether or not it was worth it:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dual-graphics-cross...
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APU's do not work this way
Technically speaking they do work this way. While your linked article shows that exactly. Yet its not favorable, nor does it produce well results. Which if you were to read my entire post there, you can see that I am not for crossfiring apu graphics, and tell him that when you crossfire Ike that, your limited by the slowest graphics, which would be his apu. And he would be far better off with two.
But thanks for the link, I'm sure it will help explain things to OP a little better.
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xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 12:33:53 PM
xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 12:46:54 PM
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xd11
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xd11/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xd11/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus H87M-PRO Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($107.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $553.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 16:53 EDT-0400)
This would be an all around really good quality low end build. With great potential for upgrades as well. Every part thought out pretty in depth as well.
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xd11/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xd11/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus H87M-PRO Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($107.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $553.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-23 16:53 EDT-0400)
This would be an all around really good quality low end build. With great potential for upgrades as well. Every part thought out pretty in depth as well.
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Processor, although pretty cheap, it is a strong dual core, and is a haswell which means that the motherboard will also allow you to upgrade to i5 or even i5 down the road. And this way you loose minimal value when upgrading.
Motherboard, I know its pretty expensive, but it allows great features, has a rebate, and allows you to upgrade your cpu later on as well as multiple graphics cards.
Ram, instead of going cheap to save $10 I went with well rated ram, 2x4gb allows you to utilize the dual channel for a speed boost as well.
HHD, WD is a brand you really cant go wrong with. I unfortunalety learned the hard way about Seagate. For $10 more I threw in black vs blue. Black speeds are 72000 and 64mb cache vs blue at 5400 rpm and 32mb cache, also get a better warrenty.
Gpu, best rated/performing card for the $100 range, threw in a stock overclocked msi, with exceptional cooling. Will get you medium settings at 1080p, and on a few games will also net high with less goodies on.
Case, cheap yes, but good quality, great brand, and has fan/radiator locations front, top, rear, side, for exceptional cooling. Also has usb 3.0 front ports which is also a feature on the motherboard I made sure to find.
Powersupply, got really lucky and found a evga 600w great rated for dirt cheap, 600w for only $40. Cant go wrong.
Optical drive, yes were in digital era, but $15 and I know you have cd's and dvds and will need it to make installation easier.
Total $550, plus about $50 in rebates. Allows for easy upgrading, gives great quality parts, and found some great sales as well.
Motherboard, I know its pretty expensive, but it allows great features, has a rebate, and allows you to upgrade your cpu later on as well as multiple graphics cards.
Ram, instead of going cheap to save $10 I went with well rated ram, 2x4gb allows you to utilize the dual channel for a speed boost as well.
HHD, WD is a brand you really cant go wrong with. I unfortunalety learned the hard way about Seagate. For $10 more I threw in black vs blue. Black speeds are 72000 and 64mb cache vs blue at 5400 rpm and 32mb cache, also get a better warrenty.
Gpu, best rated/performing card for the $100 range, threw in a stock overclocked msi, with exceptional cooling. Will get you medium settings at 1080p, and on a few games will also net high with less goodies on.
Case, cheap yes, but good quality, great brand, and has fan/radiator locations front, top, rear, side, for exceptional cooling. Also has usb 3.0 front ports which is also a feature on the motherboard I made sure to find.
Powersupply, got really lucky and found a evga 600w great rated for dirt cheap, 600w for only $40. Cant go wrong.
Optical drive, yes were in digital era, but $15 and I know you have cd's and dvds and will need it to make installation easier.
Total $550, plus about $50 in rebates. Allows for easy upgrading, gives great quality parts, and found some great sales as well.
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xCardinals7x said:
Windows is only $100 not $200 actually I would be at $300. And thanks for the advice ! I never said windows was $200, I was saying with your budget of $400, windows if needed would take $100, then leaves you with $300. The core parts usually go around $200. That leaves $100 for motherboard and cpu. Or $400 not including windows, leaves $400, minus $200 for core parts, leaves you with $200. In which I found $120 gpu and $65 cpu, yet went a little over on typical mobo to allow you great upgrade path, nice feature set, great cooling, and front usb 3.0 headers. Which many don't think of but will regret if it doesn't have it.
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xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 5:28:09 PM
xCardinals7x
April 23, 2014 7:10:43 PM
Dblkk said:
APU's do not work this way
Technically speaking they do work this way. While your linked article shows that exactly. Yet its not favorable, nor does it produce well results. Which if you were to read my entire post there, you can see that I am not for crossfiring apu graphics, and tell him that when you crossfire Ike that, your limited by the slowest graphics, which would be his apu. And he would be far better off with two.
But thanks for the link, I'm sure it will help explain things to OP a little better.
They do work that way, but I was more commenting on where you said they have to be the identical GPU, where in Dual Graphics is all. The article shows a 7750 working with the onboard whatever on the APU.
For regular Crossfire, you'd need 2 GPU's from the same series, they do not have to necessarily be identical (though is usually more optimal)
That is all I was trying to say. Is that Dual Graphics does not have to have "identical" gpus. Not trying to be like mean or anything just clearing that up.
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xCardinals7x
April 24, 2014 5:05:15 AM
How about this build? Possibly 8GB RAM rather than 4.
http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=http:...
http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=http:...
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Deemo13 said:
Dblkk said:
APU's do not work this way
Technically speaking they do work this way. While your linked article shows that exactly. Yet its not favorable, nor does it produce well results. Which if you were to read my entire post there, you can see that I am not for crossfiring apu graphics, and tell him that when you crossfire Ike that, your limited by the slowest graphics, which would be his apu. And he would be far better off with two.
But thanks for the link, I'm sure it will help explain things to OP a little better.
They do work that way, but I was more commenting on where you said they have to be the identical GPU, where in Dual Graphics is all. The article shows a 7750 working with the onboard whatever on the APU.
For regular Crossfire, you'd need 2 GPU's from the same series, they do not have to necessarily be identical (though is usually more optimal)
That is all I was trying to say. Is that Dual Graphics does not have to have "identical" gpus. Not trying to be like mean or anything just clearing that up.
Yup, thanks. I shoulve/meant to say that they have to be identical series, in which its the same hardware. Like kavari, Hawaii and such. You can mix any 7000 or 8000 or now any r7 or r8 series. But that route, your being limited by the slowest one, so if you spend $220 on like a 7870 OC and then buy a $150 7850 to crossfire, your really only going to get the slower 7850 speeds crossfired. So try and keep them similar so your not wasting the difference of $ you spent to get faster speeds on one.
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xCardinals7x said:
And even better.. microCenter has a 500 watt for 19.99 in stores near my house. There's also a deal with the fx 6300 you get a free motherboard..? Is that a good CPU? 500w? Not all power supplies are created equal. Seasonic xfx and evga make quality power supplies. Top end corsairs as well, but you have to be careful because corsair makes several models and only a small few are of quality.
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xCardinals7x said:
How about this build? Possibly 8GB RAM rather than 4. http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=http:...
Your build link bring an empty shopping cart. But you should get 8gb memory. 2x 4gb, so then you also gain boost from it being dual channel memory, in dual channel. 6gb is becoming the norm for gaming. And if you have any other programs open while gaming, those are taking a chunk to. I have 16gb in pc and 20gb in laptop, although I'm video editing, I often get warnings of low available memory, which is annoying. Not saying you need 16gb, I'm just saying that these warning when they come kick you out of whatever your doing, maybe right in middle of game, to tell you your memory is low.
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xCardinals7x
April 24, 2014 12:01:27 PM
Oh sorry.. Here's the build. I watched videos of the CPU with that GPU running DayZ on medium settings . It ran fine.
CPU- AMD fx 6300k 6core processor 3.8 ghz
Motherboard- ASUS m5a7-8lm am3+ socket
RAM- crucial Ballistix 4gb 1600mhz RAM
Case- Diobltek Midtower Case
Video Card- MSI radeon hd 6670
Psu- Diobletek 500watt power supply
Optical Drive- Samsung DVD writer/ reader
Storage- Toshiba 1TB 5700rpm hardrive
CPU- AMD fx 6300k 6core processor 3.8 ghz
Motherboard- ASUS m5a7-8lm am3+ socket
RAM- crucial Ballistix 4gb 1600mhz RAM
Case- Diobltek Midtower Case
Video Card- MSI radeon hd 6670
Psu- Diobletek 500watt power supply
Optical Drive- Samsung DVD writer/ reader
Storage- Toshiba 1TB 5700rpm hardrive
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13163544,0,1612612 said:
Oh sorry.. Here's the build. I watched videos of the CPU with that GPU running DayZ on medium settings . It ran fine. CPU- AMD fx 6300k 6core processor 3.8 ghz
Motherboard- ASUS m5a7-8lm am3+ socket
RAM- crucial Ballistix 4gb 1600mhz RAM
Case- Diobltek Midtower Case
Video Card- MSI radeon hd 6670
Psu- Diobletek 500watt power supply
Optical Drive- Samsung DVD writer/ reader
Storage- Toshiba 1TB 5700rpm hardrive
Whats the budget on this build? Never heard of the PSU brand before. Probably pick up a 7200rpm version HHD for a pc build. And that's a lower quality gpu
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trogdor796
April 24, 2014 3:08:42 PM
Horrible Power supply brand. Don't buy that thing. It has a high change of going out and taking other components with it. Like mentioned above, stick with good brands like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, etc.
That graphics card is old and shouldn't be purchased. For a budget card I'd recommend something like a 750 or 750ti from Nvidia or a 260x from AMD. If you can't afford one of those right now, I would STRONLY CONSIDER saving up until you can. Anything below those will not produce good frame rates in most games, even at medium settings.
Also, hard drives are really cheap, I wouldn't get a 5400rpm one to save a few dollars. Get a 7200rpm one, they are not that much more.
Otherwise using the microcenter bundles is a good idea. That's what I did to get my processor.
Finally, don't trust random youtube videos. You have no idea what resolution they are running at, if they are really telling the truth about their settings and components. Also, youtube can make videos look good no matter what frames it's running at. Go by actual benchmarks. I have a 2500k and a gtx 680, and I can't even run the Dayz Standalone good on medium/high, especially in towns. No way a 6670 can. No possible way. The game isn't all that optimized right now.
That graphics card is old and shouldn't be purchased. For a budget card I'd recommend something like a 750 or 750ti from Nvidia or a 260x from AMD. If you can't afford one of those right now, I would STRONLY CONSIDER saving up until you can. Anything below those will not produce good frame rates in most games, even at medium settings.
Also, hard drives are really cheap, I wouldn't get a 5400rpm one to save a few dollars. Get a 7200rpm one, they are not that much more.
Otherwise using the microcenter bundles is a good idea. That's what I did to get my processor.
Finally, don't trust random youtube videos. You have no idea what resolution they are running at, if they are really telling the truth about their settings and components. Also, youtube can make videos look good no matter what frames it's running at. Go by actual benchmarks. I have a 2500k and a gtx 680, and I can't even run the Dayz Standalone good on medium/high, especially in towns. No way a 6670 can. No possible way. The game isn't all that optimized right now.
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xCardinals7x
April 24, 2014 6:59:23 PM
xCardinals7x
April 24, 2014 7:20:06 PM
xCardinals7x
April 24, 2014 7:50:42 PM
Really appreciate your help! Made some adjustments.
CPU- AMD FX 6300 Black Edition 3.5GHz Six-Core Socket A $109.99
MotherBoard- ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS Socket AM3+ 760G mATX *free with CPU bundle*
Case- Diablotek EVO Mid Tower ATX Computer Case $39.99
Storage- Toshiba 1TB 5,700 RPM SATA 3.0Gbps 3.5" Internal Hardrive 52.99
Optical Drive- Samsung SH-224DB24x SATA Internal DVD Burner $16.99
WristStrap- Kingwin Anti-Static Wrist Strap $3.99
Memory- Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800) $76.99
PSU- ThermalTake TR2 Series 500 Watt ATX Power Supply $44.99
GPU- MSI N750 TF 1GD5/OC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 OC 1024 $139.99
CPU- AMD FX 6300 Black Edition 3.5GHz Six-Core Socket A $109.99
MotherBoard- ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS Socket AM3+ 760G mATX *free with CPU bundle*
Case- Diablotek EVO Mid Tower ATX Computer Case $39.99
Storage- Toshiba 1TB 5,700 RPM SATA 3.0Gbps 3.5" Internal Hardrive 52.99
Optical Drive- Samsung SH-224DB24x SATA Internal DVD Burner $16.99
WristStrap- Kingwin Anti-Static Wrist Strap $3.99
Memory- Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800) $76.99
PSU- ThermalTake TR2 Series 500 Watt ATX Power Supply $44.99
GPU- MSI N750 TF 1GD5/OC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 OC 1024 $139.99
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xCardinals7x
April 24, 2014 7:58:24 PM
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