How does this combination AMD HD 8650g + ATI Sunpro 8570m play games?

gangsta4lives · Apr 22, 2014

So, here's the laptop I consider to buy:

AMD A10 5750m 2.5 GHz (can be clocked upto 3.5 GHz)
2 GB ATI Sunpro HD 8570M GDDR3 + 512 MB AMD 8660G GDDR3 (total of 2.5 GB)
8 GB DDR3 RAM (expandable upto 16GB)
1 TB Harddisk

Well, I was wondering if I can play some new games at high-ultra? I was checking out www.notebookcheck.com the other day, and the benchmark results it posted for Saints Row IV for the 8570 is so not true. Because, I have NVIDIA Geforce 9500 GT 1 GB DDR2 which runs the same title at 20 FPS at low. But, this website posted that the 8570m would run it at 10 FPS at low.
Come on, it isn't that bad? And, I agree that the crossfire may cause some micro-stuttering for some titles, but for the remaining games, it must fare well, right?

So, can someone please tell me if I can buy this laptop for playing games at mid-high settings (for example in the future Watch Dogs, The Division,etc)?

Also, my laptop budget is around $660 (I know it's very limited budget), but this laptop comes under that budget and they give awesome spec for that price.

Dblkk · Apr 23, 2014

gangsta4lives :

Sorry man, but theres no way your going to get high settings with that graphics card. I bet the screen res is 720p, but even then high is not likely. Especially with future games like watch dogs and the division. Those games are supposed to be very taxing and even giving medium range desktops a hard time. I'd say you'll get low to maybe medium on less hungry games. I had a Samsung with i7 and a radeon 8770m dedicated graphics with 2gb ddr5 memory, and that barely hit medium with lower 20-30 fps, with borderlands. New games like cod or bf4 weren't even playable at all, and that was a $1200 laptop with quad core and separate mid range graphics just last year.

gangsta4lives · Apr 23, 2014

Dblkk :

Yeah, I was very consumed by greed.

Okay, this laptop has no possibility to max out next-gen games. Not even run them in medium settings.

But, bro, can it run these games atleast at low settings (lowest possible) and I should have probably stated, the laptop resolution would be 1366x768. Atleast, will it run W_D at like 15 FPS at lowest settings (even if I have to reduce the resolution, I will).

And, on a related note, is 8570m that bad? Seriously is it the worst mobile card made in the history of gaming? Lots of hate on that card. I know it's an entry card, but my friend had a 7650m and he was saying he can max out BF3 (I don't know if he was bluffing but he seemed serious).

Dblkk · Apr 23, 2014

gangsta4lives :

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1762&gid2=1495&compare=geforce-gtx-765m-vs-radeon-hd-8570m

Here a link to game debate, on the bottom of the page you can search and see if it will play a certain game, and you can also put in the resolution as well. For comparison I put in a NVIDIA 765m which is last years low end NVIDIA card, which was the minimum for medium setting game play last year.

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1495&gid2=910&compare=radeon-hd-8570m-vs-radeon-hd-7650m
Here is a link comparing the gpu in question vs your friends. Yours is just a notch above his. Again you can put games in the bottom and see if it will play. The worst part about the card is ddr3 memory compared with ddr5 on normal 'gaming' gpus. The core speed and all other parts of the card are also about almost half if not even lower than typical low end gaming laptop gpu's. The problem with gpus for gaming is there is a minimum requirement for specs that is needed to just be able to process the game. After you reach that minimum, then yes you can lower quality and resolution to get higher frames, but you still have to get it to that minimum first.

I'll try and break that down a little more. Its like a moped. The motor is slow, but on a moped it can get going just not as fast as a dodge charger. Lets call the game the charger, a minimal required gpu is the stock engine in the charger, and your questioned gpu is the moped engine. We'll say good gaming gpus are like higher end car engines, like Porsche Ferrari and such. Highway has a legal minimum speed of 45 mph and theres no maximum speed limit. Now you put/keep the charger engine (v6 model) and it'll make the highway speeds and go 100mph. If you put in a v8 supercharger engine in the charger, you'll make minimum speeds and go up to 150mph. But if you put in your moped engine, not only will it not make minimum highway speeds, but even if you went on the highway anyway and disregarded minimum speeds, the laptop engine isn't powerful enough to even move the charger since its so large and heavy.

Alright, not sure if that really helped, but its a decent card and will play less demanding games, but newer games are very demanding and even lowering quality or resolution it just can't play, theres only so low you can bring resolution and settings and unfortunately yours needs settings lower than you can go.

That said, you could build a pc for $500, you can't play high/ultra but you could definitely get medium at 1080p.

gangsta4lives · Apr 23, 2014

Dblkk :

gangsta4lives :

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1762&gid2=1495&compare=geforce-gtx-765m-vs-radeon-hd-8570m

Here a link to game debate, on the bottom of the page you can search and see if it will play a certain game, and you can also put in the resolution as well. For comparison I put in a NVIDIA 765m which is last years low end NVIDIA card, which was the minimum for medium setting game play last year.

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1495&gid2=910&compare=radeon-hd-8570m-vs-radeon-hd-7650m
Here is a link comparing the gpu in question vs your friends. Yours is just a notch above his. Again you can put games in the bottom and see if it will play. The worst part about the card is ddr3 memory compared with ddr5 on normal 'gaming' gpus. The core speed and all other parts of the card are also about almost half if not even lower than typical low end gaming laptop gpu's. The problem with gpus for gaming is there is a minimum requirement for specs that is needed to just be able to process the game. After you reach that minimum, then yes you can lower quality and resolution to get higher frames, but you still have to get it to that minimum first.

I'll try and break that down a little more. Its like a moped. The motor is slow, but on a moped it can get going just not as fast as a dodge charger. Lets call the game the charger, a minimal required gpu is the stock engine in the charger, and your questioned gpu is the moped engine. We'll say good gaming gpus are like higher end car engines, like Porsche Ferrari and such. Highway has a legal minimum speed of 45 mph and theres no maximum speed limit. Now you put/keep the charger engine (v6 model) and it'll make the highway speeds and go 100mph. If you put in a v8 supercharger engine in the charger, you'll make minimum speeds and go up to 150mph. But if you put in your moped engine, not only will it not make minimum highway speeds, but even if you went on the highway anyway and disregarded minimum speeds, the laptop engine isn't powerful enough to even move the charger since its so large and heavy.

Alright, not sure if that really helped, but its a decent card and will play less demanding games, but newer games are very demanding and even lowering quality or resolution it just can't play, theres only so low you can bring resolution and settings and unfortunately yours needs settings lower than you can go.

That said, you could build a pc for $500, you can't play high/ultra but you could definitely get medium at 1080p.

First of all, kudos on that analogy. Really, it was awesome.

And I agree with you, but again, I was checking out Game-Debate and was shocked to see the results. It says that Saints Row: The Third cannot run in even the lowest settings, while I get like 35 solid FPS on my old desktop card NVIDIA Geforce 9500GT 1 GB DDR2 (not kidding). So, this card is actually more stronger than the former card, but it says it fails to play SR3 at low.

And, I can't build a desktop because I need this laptop for educational purposes too (gotta take it to college, do some educational stuff, too). Otherwise, I would have thrown in a 4th Gen i7 and r9 280x and would have gamed happily. But, alas, not the case here.

BTW, it's an overall decent card right? I mean, I am not that much of a professional gamer. I play for fun. That's it. I think it might do some justice for the buck.

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