Switching to intel, which components?

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likdaboo

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Hello

Here my current specs
CPU: AMD FX 8350 @ Stock
CPU COOLER: H100i with corsair quite edition sp120s
GPU: EVGA SC ACX COOLER 780 ti
PSU: Corsair CX750M
RAM: 4 x 4 GB (16 GB) 1600Mhz DDR3
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE 990fxa UD3 rev 4

and i will probably be upgrading to:
CPU: core i7 4770k
MOTHERBAORD: asrock z87 extreme9

I think right now im getting a cpu bottleneck on some games...
or the 780ti was a bit disappointing for the price

I play first person shooters: titanfall, cod 5, bo1, bo2, ghosts, gta, assassins creed etc (the big console hits)

i play at 1080p, may be doing 3 monitor surround in future

Are the upgrades a good plan?
how do i check if i have a cpu bottleneck?
will the 4770k show a significant difference?
will my psu be enough power...

Thanks
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Haha I just upgraded from an AMD FX-8320 to a Xeon 1230v3 system myself.

Your upgrades are great, but if you're not planning on overclocking I'd consider the Xeon 1230v3 as it's an i7 4770 for the price of an i5 4670k.

You definitely won't' have a bottleneck with an i7 and 780 Ti so don't worry.

Yes a 4770k or Xeon 1230v3 will be a significant upgrade over your FX 8350.

Your PSU is perfect for this configuration.
 
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Well, that is where you are wrong. Plenty of CX PSUs form corsair fail and fry systems. It is NEVER the right idea to wait until it fails. The CX units are made with junk capacitors that fail easily. There have been plenty of threads where CX units have fried entire computers. The PSU is 1000% the most important part of a PC.
 
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You still have the issue of waiting for parts to come and rebuilding your computer and all. Also, Corsair have been known not to give these checks out for lower end PSUs. Plenty of people with CX units have been told they will get a replacement PSU and that is all.
 
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I've had plenty of PSUs fail and never fried a system, but I see your point.

OP, upgrade your PSU if you have room in the budget, if not leave it alone--the chances that it will fail and actually hurt something are slim, but it's still a chance.
 
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hmm maybe ill knock the extreme9 down to an extreme6 and stick a psu in there, something like corsair RM1000?
tbh im more worried about my h100i water damaging my gpu then anything
 
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yes ive never seen any of my games drop below 30 fps, however i would like a solid 60 in every game which im not getting in assassins creed IV, this is with ultra and 4x TXAA... but ive seen benchmarks of people running it at 60 fps maxed, and i think/hope getting a 4770k and overclocking the 780 to max will fix this
 
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i was looking at 1000w incase i get another 780ti one day... would want to upgrade psu again...
how about AX1200i?
 
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Unless you plan to get another one in a year or so, don't get a huge PSU. Even quality PSUs wear out quickly and in 3 years when you add another 780ti you will probably want to replace it anyway. Just get the correct size PSU and then IF you get another card, upgrade then.

1200w is pointless for this build. 750w is plenty for 1 card and 850-900 is plenty for 2 cards.
 
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I would actually suggest not changing. You have a great cpu/motherboard already that should not be bottlenecking whatsoever. You should probably wait for the next few generations of intel and with the ps4/xb1 being based on 8 core amd cpu's games will be more optimised for the 8 cores of your fx 8350. Either way, just an option for you!
 
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^ This logic eludes me--of course console development will affect PC development as many (most) games are cross platform and are coded for consoles first and now that the consoles are multicore x86 computers then we're going to see a lot more multithreaded optimization.

Even though the consoles only use 6 cores for games, that multicore optimization will absolutely translate across the consoles and PC.
Not saying games will only perform well on multicore CPUs, but they will perform better than they have previously.
 
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Actually most games are coded completely separately for PC as they are from the consoles. You are speaking about "ports", where they just take a game and throw it on the PC quickly. These games usually never run well on the PC and all kinds of bugs. Dark Souls was an excellent example of a PS3 to PC port that was god-awful.
 
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Consoles run 8 core x86 chips in this latest generation .

Any differences between pc games and consoles are rapidly diminishing


But the real problem for this upgrade is that it wont add any performance to games . Maybe a couple of fps , but not more than that .

If the machine is giving problems its a software issue
 
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This is pretty much what im trying to say. The 8350 is not bottlenecking (should not be)
 
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Well i guess my question is how do i know if it is a bottleneck... is the frames im getting correct?
there must be some way i can see if its bottlenecking my gpu
ive never seen the gpu usage go over 90% and i dont use a frame limiter or v-sync, so shouldnt it perform at like 100% GPU... unless the cpu is holding it back?
 
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What game are you playing? It will only hit 100% if it is a really demanding game. Since you have a high end gpu it does not need to hit 100% to deliver good results.
 
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yeah but if the money isnt an issue and i want to use that corsair link software... there isnt a disadvantage to getting a psu with too much wattage apart from money... is there?
 
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An 8350, especially overclocked, will not bottleneck your GPU(s).

I had an 8320 at 4.8GHz with crossfired Radeon 270X's and when I ran really demanding benchmarks like Unigine Heaven on Extreme I'd get 99% utilization on both of my 270X's according to Afterburner.

You'll get overall less FPS usually with AMD FX, but that's not bottlenecking as that CPU simply isn't as fast as Intel cores--if it were bottlenecking you'd see under utilization on the GPU(s), but I got damn near 100% utilization.

I just upgraded to a Xeon E3-1230v3 (essentially an i7-4770) and ran Unigine Heaven again and my score and FPS remained the same, i.e. neither CPU was limiting the GPUs from performing at their maximum. I did see a slight increase in Unigine Valley, but that benchmark relies more on CPU than Heaven.
 
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