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Weird FPS drops in games, no matter what settings

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April 23, 2014 9:14:06 PM

In BF3/BF4/Crysis2/Crysis 3 I get great fps with my 8350/r9 290 1080p... except my minimums. I've troubleshot drivers for hours, probably installed them like 20 times now with DDU and CCleaner.

CPU 51C, GPU 73C, CPU usage varies 50-70%, GPU usually 80-100%
Basically, I get appropriate benchmarks, and I get high fps in games, but Whether I'm on ultra at 8xmsaa or Low with No AA, I get the same minimum fps. It seems that my CPU spikes from 50-60% to about 80%, and my GPU drops from 85-100%, to about 30-50%... then returns to their proper levels...
When this happens, I see drops under 60 usually near low 40's in FPS... That should not happen with this good of rig. I'd be fine with lowering graphics, but it can't stay over 60, and the inconsistency is horrible.

No, its not all games, but most Modern titles such as Hitman Absolution, Far Cry 3, All Crysis, BF3/BF4, even Grid 2... Yes, they're hard to run, but why is my GPU load dropping? are these games turning my 8350 at 4.2ghz into a bottleneck? Even then, Why can't I achieve over 60fps on low, when someone with an i3 and a 650ti can stay over 60 fine on low...

For example, Crysis 3 on ultra and 8xmsaa was about 32-75fps the whole time, usually in the 50's. That's great for those settings, but on medium settings? I got 38-189fps... and it would Spike, causing a stutter in gameplay, and stay at 38-45fps for a bit in that area untl I walke a round a bit...

Could it be drivers? I VERY cleanly install:
I run AMD catalyst and uninstall ALL AMD software. restart
Reboot into SAfe mode and run DDU to clean registry and delete all AMD/ATI folders, reboot
Run CCLeaner, clean registry
Install Latest graphics (14.4 catalyst)
Install chipset 13.12
Install Asus MOBO latest chipset/usb/lan drivers...
problem persists...

I have updated BIOS, and unparked cores (does nothing on win 8.1 for me anyways)
Its a very solid build, and all info is in my signature, so I don't understand why it behaves like this. Please don't tell me to buy an Inte;, cause this 8350 should have plenty of power, and fps drops/bottles this big probably shouldn't happen.

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April 24, 2014 10:32:21 AM

Is this normal for my processor or?...
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April 25, 2014 8:50:18 AM

OP is not only getting fps drops but GPU usage drops. Which drive is your game installed on?

Have you noticed it happening when you are near a save point or walking into a new area?

I noticed you have an HDD. Take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriMnhNf56s

It is one of many that shows skipping due to seek time letencies on HDDs, which get dramatically improved from SSDs.

The problem doesn't translate over to an average fps rating in any clear way. It's just something "skippy" or "jittery" you notice that disrupts your suspension of disbelief, breaking up your mental connection to the game's virtual environment (i.e. it's annoying). Check whether what you are seeing is similar to what the video depicts.
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April 24, 2014 12:01:12 PM

I'm not really smart 'bout AMD CPU's, but it could be some driver issues.

Bottlenecks wouldnt make sense with a system like that.
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April 25, 2014 8:54:16 AM

just tried playing bf4 on max multi player at the railway was getting 80-140fps which is a pretty big swing but also what drivers do you have?
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April 24, 2014 12:11:03 PM

kjuuliiclv said:
I'm not really smart 'bout AMD CPU's, but it could be some driver issues.

Bottlenecks wouldnt make sense with a system like that.


Well not everyone has these issues it seems, and I have the tried many drivers. I'm currently in the most up to date as well.
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April 25, 2014 8:56:44 AM

i think you could be on to something about the hdd all of mine are on the ssd so i would not have noticed
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April 24, 2014 12:17:33 PM

then it might be the hardware itself.

Run furmark to chcek the GPU.

Run memtest86+ for multiple times, preferably over night, to see if your RAM is failing

Maybe insufficinet PSU power or its just faulty? Maybe MOBO?

There could be so much different stuff, that you have to eliminate it all 1 by 1.
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April 25, 2014 9:22:17 AM

coolcole01 said:
just tried playing bf4 on max multi player at the railway was getting 80-140fps which is a pretty big swing but also what drivers do you have?


Railway is no problem though, what FPS do you get in heavier maps? I see FPS issues mainly in all DLC maps, Hainan, Shanghi, and Paracel.
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April 24, 2014 12:17:44 PM

By the way- have you OC'ed anything?
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April 25, 2014 9:23:25 AM

Eggz said:
OP is not only getting fps drops but GPU usage drops. Which drive is your game installed on?

Have you noticed it happening when you are near a save point or walking into a new area?

I noticed you have an HDD. Take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriMnhNf56s

It is one of many that shows skipping due to seek time letencies on HDDs, which get dramatically improved from SSDs.

The problem doesn't translate over to an average fps rating in any clear way. It's just something "skippy" or "jittery" you notice that disrupts your suspension of disbelief, breaking up your mental connection to the game's virtual environment (i.e. it's annoying). Check whether what you are seeing is similar to what the video depicts.


Yes, I see that, but that doesn't translate to Frame drops. I'm dropping physical frames to like 40-50 at times, not just little jitters between frames over 60...


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April 24, 2014 12:58:23 PM

kjuuliiclv said:
By the way- have you OC'ed anything?


CPU is stock OC, so is GPU. I ran MSI's Kombuster for 2 hours set at highest settings in GPU burn in. 100% usage whole time, got to 80C, but ran flawlessly...

RAM set to factory default 1886 and correct timings. I've tried others set of RAM, same results.
Should have enough power, and dunno why psu could be causing Performance hits... I have NEVER had a random shutdown, and 850w should be plenty. Voltages NEVER spike, the parts aren't losing power, just cpu gains usage, GPU drops usage...
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April 25, 2014 9:26:20 AM

coolcole01 said:
here you go here is a guy with crossfire r9 290's and a 4770k at 4.2 he is recording with a camera so no performance hit it was literally the first video that popped up and he is dropping all over the place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Zfox8BkdI


You don't understand, Crossfire 290's only have a 105% ratio in Crysis 3, it runs bad on everything... Nothing can keep Crysis 3 over 60, I know that.

I'm ONLY worried about BF4, as it seems to run flawlessly on everyones rig but mine. The fact that 7950/7970 are running faster than my 290 is a BIG problem, and I need to figure which part is causing the low performance. I still suspect the game doesn't like the CPU, since I run every other game like I should be...

Have you run your CPU stock on BF4 before? How much worse were your framerates in BF4?
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April 24, 2014 1:12:03 PM

Sorry, but then i can't help, thats all i can think of- i still stand by that its probably something in software.
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April 25, 2014 9:35:49 AM

jkteddy77 said:
Yes, I see that, but that doesn't translate to Frame drops. I'm dropping physical frames to like 40-50 at times, not just little jitters between frames over 60...


Did you watch the video, and which drive is it on?
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April 24, 2014 3:15:58 PM

kjuuliiclv said:
Sorry, but then i can't help, thats all i can think of- i still stand by that its probably something in software.


That's what
I suspect too, as my hardware seems fine. I've messed with software os much though, and fresh installed once already :/ 
Might have to again...
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April 25, 2014 10:15:12 AM

jkteddy77 said:
Yes, I know every system will have its drops in BF4, but mine happen too often, more then I think they should be. I already have Cool n' Quiet and all other power saving settings off. I know, I'm on 8.1, so un-parking did virtually nothing :/ 
I will say however, that a 4770k and 780ti would barely ever drop below 60, and that Crysis 3 video you sent me is pretty invalid in this case... you know that game hates Intel/Nvidia right? my 8350/290 run it better. look at this:
http://youtu.be/IgrAP2_GfOo?t=4m29s
Logan's rig has 4930k and 780ti superclocked, and Pistols's only a 9590 and a 290x Tri-X... yet 780ti wins in every other game ,by 10+fps.

Anyways, try and find a 4670k or 4770k with a 290/780 drop, cause I NEVER see anyone drop in videos, and they're losing recording as well... BF4 is not a hard game to run, so I hate that mine drops... it really shouldn't that often, like once a match maybe

Perhaps the 8350 does better than an i5 in Crysis 3 on average, but not an i7. Even with the i5, the i5 has better minimums.
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April 24, 2014 3:23:53 PM

If GPU usage drops, it is clearly a CPU bottleneck. Whether or not you can fix the CPU bottleneck is another issue, but on multiplayer, most people get drops below 60, even with faster CPU's than you. It may not happen all the time, but it happens and don't take every Tom Dick and Harry at face value. Most people tend to fudge their results, and ignore those few dips.

That said, this complaint shows up almost daily on these boards, and it seems most are using AMD CPU's, the majority being 8350's. The only time I've seen anyone of these 8350 owners have success in improving their situation, it was due to their motherboards northbridge overheating. They fixed it with a fan blowing on it.
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April 25, 2014 10:52:20 AM

Eggz said:
jkteddy77 said:
Yes, I see that, but that doesn't translate to Frame drops. I'm dropping physical frames to like 40-50 at times, not just little jitters between frames over 60...


Did you watch the video, and which drive is it on?


Its on my HDD, but a LARGE majority of the community is still on HDD... SSD's are outrageous for the space you get still. Yeah, it jitters a bit, but I haven't seen putting the game on an SSD actually affect Framerate... only frametimes and load times... which I can live with

also, look a few posts back, I inked a video uploaded by someone 2 days ago showing a 4930k+780ti getting 8fps less than a 9590+290x (not much faster than my rig)
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April 24, 2014 4:28:15 PM

bystander said:
If GPU usage drops, it is clearly a CPU bottleneck. Whether or not you can fix the CPU bottleneck is another issue, but on multiplayer, most people get drops below 60, even with faster CPU's than you. It may not happen all the time, but it happens and don't take every Tom Dick and Harry at face value. Most people tend to fudge their results, and ignore those few dips.

That said, this complaint shows up almost daily on these boards, and it seems most are using AMD CPU's, the majority being 8350's. The only time I've seen anyone of these 8350 owners have success in improving their situation, it was due to their motherboards northbridge overheating. They fixed it with a fan blowing on it.


As far as Overheating Mobo heatsinks, I've only seen one person on this forum list that as a solution... how many times have you seen it? I have 7 case fans in my PC... and in a wind tunnel configuration...

I know, looks exactly like a CPU bottleneck does it not? thing is, 8350 aren't suppossed to be bottling, and if it is, I'd think it would hold its ground better and not drop 30fps... I should oly be 5fps or so behind a high end i7...
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April 25, 2014 11:23:07 AM

jkteddy77 said:
Its on my HDD, but a LARGE majority of the community is still on HDD... SSD's are outrageous for the space you get still. Yeah, it jitters a bit, but I haven't seen putting the game on an SSD actually affect Framerate... only frametimes and load times... which I can live with

also, look a few posts back, I inked a video uploaded by someone 2 days ago showing a 4930k+780ti getting 8fps less than a 9590+290x (not much faster than my rig)


I watched that video. If you're on an HDD, it will cause choppiness and short frame drops. Just the way the cookie crumbles, man. That's not to say something else isn't also contributing, but the HDD is definitely a factor.

As for SSD prices, they have recently dropped below $0.50/gb. That's really good! The Samsung EVO rocks it at higher capacities (not as much on smaller drives).
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April 24, 2014 7:55:48 PM

I've ready through at least 10 of these threads, all CPU bottleneck issues with 780(ti)'s and 290(x)'s with 8350's, and they never get the result they want. It is always a CPU bottleneck, and they won't believe it and never find a solution.

You'll be the next person to go on for pages, and not finding a solution, most likely. I don't have BF4, so I can't tell you my experience, but there is something funny going on with the game and 8350 users.
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April 25, 2014 12:19:35 PM

Can you try the beta driver 14.2 it seems really good the 14.4 is horrible for some reason.
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April 24, 2014 8:01:38 PM

jkteddy77 said:
As far as Overheating Mobo heatsinks, I've only seen one person on this forum list that as a solution... how many times have you seen it? I have 7 case fans in my PC... and in a wind tunnel configuration...

I know, looks exactly like a CPU bottleneck does it not? thing is, 8350 aren't suppossed to be bottling, and if it is, I'd think it would hold its ground better and not drop 30fps... I should oly be 5fps or so behind a high end i7...


8350's are considerably slower than i7's, but most the time it doesn't matter as most the time you are GPU bound. The 8350 does well with it's 8 cores (not quite full cores), and as a result does well when an app takes advantage of it. They are also reasonably fast that if a game isn't CPU bound, they show to keep up. The problem is, not all games are well threads and GPU bound. In the extreme examples, the 8350 falls quite far behind.

That said, BF4 is supposed to be pretty well threaded, so in this example it shouldn't be far behind. But like I said, I see 8350 users on here all the time complaining about this issue. There may be other issues at play. Maybe they see bottlenecks with slower memory, or maybe there are motherboard issues.
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April 25, 2014 1:10:13 PM

coolcole01 said:
Can you try the beta driver 14.2 it seems really good the 14.4 is horrible for some reason.


I had 14.2, and used to love it, and then swtiching to 14.3 hurt my fps and gltched me a lo. I think 14.4 is so far entirely better than all other betas though, EVERY game runs good or at least as it should (used to run different games poorly on others) EXCEPT BF3, BF4 still run bad...
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April 24, 2014 9:19:01 PM

im not getting anywhere near those kind of drops are you by chance using msi afterburner or something like that
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April 25, 2014 1:12:15 PM

I think it might be my crossfire but it just does not like 14.4 actually sent a report into amd yesterday about it. Im testing out some different levels on bf4 now
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April 24, 2014 11:04:30 PM

coolcole01 said:
im not getting anywhere near those kind of drops are you by chance using msi afterburner or something like that


Nope, uninstalled afterburner a while ago. Only using GPU-z/Cpu-z...ingame overlays as well... You probably run it so much faster cause of your OC. Did unparking really help you? what fps you get on ultra 1080p?
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April 25, 2014 1:22:38 PM

just played a round in hanain and was just running around throwing flash grenades to try to get the fps to drop got down to 71 once but was mostly above the 100 mark ultra everything with mantle 4xmsaa
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April 25, 2014 8:05:55 AM

unparking doesnt really do a lot for max fps maybe a little bump but does help with minimum windows 8.1 is ujnparked automatically but win 7 is a different story. ok lets look at a few things that card is not meant to be playing any new title at 8xmsaa for the most part you should be trying for 4xmsaa in most everything. But before that could you go into bios and turn off cool n quiet and tell me if that helps.
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April 25, 2014 1:29:31 PM

coolcole01 said:
just played a round in hanain and was just running around throwing flash grenades to try to get the fps to drop got down to 71 once but was mostly above the 100 mark ultra everything with mantle 4xmsaa


How much FPS you gain from OC cpu? you think that's my issue? I got up to 4.4ghz, and saw zero performance increase so...
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April 25, 2014 8:21:04 AM

also just so you know even the mighty 3960 has drops in games was using one the other day look up some videos with high powered gear and games with fps and you will see all have frame drops if you are dropping in the 45 area thats completely normal heck look up the 4770k and 780 ti running those games in multi player and its never constant. If you want to see your cpu have a problem play ps2 thats what a bottleneck looks like.
this is a system that is awesome 4770k with a 780 ti and you will notice the fps are exactly what you are seeing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6uJ5h9hK40
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April 25, 2014 1:36:35 PM

yeah i will be honest i have never ran it at stock when i first got it (got a great deal) spent my time overclocking it till it was as good as a 3770 we were using and then i didnt care. There are very few games it doesn't do great in and even those it still pretty good. here is a link to thread with a lot of good pics of in game fps and other things from good and bad performance all with the 8350.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2100079/taking-win...
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April 25, 2014 8:32:41 AM

coolcole01 said:
also just so you know even the mighty 3960 has drops in games was using one the other day look up some videos with high powered gear and games with fps and you will see all have frame drops if you are dropping in the 45 area thats completely normal heck look up the 4770k and 780 ti running those games in multi player and its never constant. If you want to see your cpu have a problem play ps2 thats what a bottleneck looks like.
this is a system that is awesome 4770k with a 780 ti and you will notice the fps are exactly what you are seeing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6uJ5h9hK40


Yes, I know every system will have its drops in BF4, but mine happen too often, more then I think they should be. I already have Cool n' Quiet and all other power saving settings off. I know, I'm on 8.1, so un-parking did virtually nothing :/ 
I will say however, that a 4770k and 780ti would barely ever drop below 60, and that Crysis 3 video you sent me is pretty invalid in this case... you know that game hates Intel/Nvidia right? my 8350/290 run it better. look at this:
http://youtu.be/IgrAP2_GfOo?t=4m29s
Logan's rig has 4930k and 780ti superclocked, and Pistols's only a 9590 and a 290x Tri-X... yet 780ti wins in every other game ,by 10+fps.

Anyways, try and find a 4670k or 4770k with a 290/780 drop, cause I NEVER see anyone drop in videos, and they're losing recording as well... BF4 is not a hard game to run, so I hate that mine drops... it really shouldn't that often, like once a match maybe
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April 25, 2014 1:37:46 PM

Scroll to the bottom of the first page to get past all the arguing
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April 25, 2014 8:46:37 AM

here you go here is a guy with crossfire r9 290's and a 4770k at 4.2 he is recording with a camera so no performance hit it was literally the first video that popped up and he is dropping all over the place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Zfox8BkdI
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April 25, 2014 2:08:50 PM

Hmm... I ask cause when I OC'd to 4.5ghz, I saw like no improvement. What method di you use to OC? whats some of your values in BIOS?
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April 25, 2014 2:12:39 PM

I currently am using a small fsb increase and a change is multiplier the sabertooth really likes it
multiplier 21.5 and the fsb at 225 voltage at 1.45 on the cpu
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April 25, 2014 2:16:21 PM

For all intended purposes my chip is a 9590 with no turbo on i can crank it up to 5ghz i just like to keep it at 4.8
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April 25, 2014 2:26:43 PM

coolcole01 said:
For all intended purposes my chip is a 9590 with no turbo on i can crank it up to 5ghz i just like to keep it at 4.8


yes, but I got mine to 4.4-4.5ghz, and guess what? NO increase in performance, like maybe 2 more FPS... maybe I need 4.6? I thinking of getting a Cooler Master Evo 212 for some Air-cooled OCing. and I got a 990FX Pro, basically a sabertooth. I tried buming FSB, Multiplayer, mix of both, temps were always cool, but it just didn't run any faster... yet my cpu sontinues to spike, and gpu usage will drop occationally, causing these lags... I saw 90% usage in my CPU, today in BF4...
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April 25, 2014 3:45:00 PM

jkteddy77 said:
coolcole01 said:
For all intended purposes my chip is a 9590 with no turbo on i can crank it up to 5ghz i just like to keep it at 4.8


yes, but I got mine to 4.4-4.5ghz, and guess what? NO increase in performance, like maybe 2 more FPS... maybe I need 4.6? I thinking of getting a Cooler Master Evo 212 for some Air-cooled OCing. and I got a 990FX Pro, basically a sabertooth. I tried buming FSB, Multiplayer, mix of both, temps were always cool, but it just didn't run any faster... yet my cpu sontinues to spike, and gpu usage will drop occationally, causing these lags... I saw 90% usage in my CPU, today in BF4...


The thing is, OCing will not help your average FPS much unless the game is severely bottlenecking the CPU. It will usually help your minimums a lot (assuming a significant OC), unless it is just a problem with the game loading data at certain locations.
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April 25, 2014 3:55:55 PM

im still skeptical that the problem is the cpu bottlenecking just went to a friends who has the same set up with a 8350 and a 290x and his is just chugging along but he did say that in bf4 he had to upgrade his ram it was 1333 and he upgraded to 2133 and no more dips i cant say for sure but its worth a try he also said to slightly bump your ram voltage if its 1.5 ram and its on auto try bumping it to 1.505 on manual
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April 25, 2014 3:56:37 PM

bystander said:
jkteddy77 said:
coolcole01 said:
For all intended purposes my chip is a 9590 with no turbo on i can crank it up to 5ghz i just like to keep it at 4.8


yes, but I got mine to 4.4-4.5ghz, and guess what? NO increase in performance, like maybe 2 more FPS... maybe I need 4.6? I thinking of getting a Cooler Master Evo 212 for some Air-cooled OCing. and I got a 990FX Pro, basically a sabertooth. I tried buming FSB, Multiplayer, mix of both, temps were always cool, but it just didn't run any faster... yet my cpu sontinues to spike, and gpu usage will drop occationally, causing these lags... I saw 90% usage in my CPU, today in BF4...


The thing is, OCing will not help your average FPS much unless the game is severely bottlenecking the CPU. It will usually help your minimums a lot (assuming a significant OC), unless it is just a problem with the game loading data at certain locations.


Well... didn't help my minimums... that's what this thread is ALL about. what could be wrong? is the gaem just shit on my R9 290? I play on DX11 at 35-60 on shanghi... Today, I was 50-90 all day on Mantle, and I CAN'T eliminate that 50-60...
I definately should be over it should I not? 290=780, and my drivers are as new and clean as can be...
Just can't understand...
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April 25, 2014 3:59:12 PM

coolcole01 said:
im still skeptical that the problem is the cpu bottlenecking just went to a friends who has the same set up with a 8350 and a 290x and his is just chugging along but he did say that in bf4 he had to upgrade his ram it was 1333 and he upgraded to 2133 and no more dips i cant say for sure but its worth a try he also said to slightly bump your ram voltage if its 1.5 ram and its on auto try bumping it to 1.505 on manual


Is his stock? was he running mantle? I'll have to try the voltage, but my RAM is alread yat 1886 and timing is at 9-10-9-28...
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April 25, 2014 4:09:51 PM

he runs at 4.5 so not a big oc at all it looked pretty standard yes mantle
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April 25, 2014 4:22:17 PM

coolcole01 said:
he runs at 4.5 so not a big oc at all it looked pretty standard yes mantle


Hmm... and he wasn't getting any drops? He was over 60 like the whole time? I just bumped RAM voltage, of course no improvement. What else could it be? seems my GPU is a majority of the time in the 90-100% usage, but the low FPS continues... I expect more power out of this card... Thing is, I get the same benchmarks as everyone else, and my single player runs fast, but then I get into multiplayer and... well you know the rest...

I thought maybe its overheating? nope, CPU was all the way down to 46C, not bad at all. I thought maybe its failing? nope clocks were all solid, all 8 cores running. still only 50-70% usage...

I'm about to give up, what is wrong, I'm losing out on like 20+ fps as others...
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