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going to but together a budgety computer build for my sister's b-day coming up here. Im not sure if i should go with an i5 4570 or i54670K. Budget is ~800 bucks or so i think.

Thing is the 4570 is on sale for $190 right now while the 4670k is $210 I think for the $20 it may be better to just grab the K? I dont know if the $20 diff is worth it. Anyone have any thoughts? Hell, whats the main diff other than the unlocked ability. It seems microcenter actually has the 4570 on sale for $160 which would decide it right there if i could get that but i dont have one near me. I wonder if i could get Best Buy or something to PM it.




Im also wondering if picking one over the other would change the board i could get. I was kinda eyeballing one of these boards but dont know what to go with or what the difference is between the z87 line of boards or b85

ASrockZ87 pro 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157370

GIGABYTE G1.Sniper B5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128674
ASRock Fatal1ty B85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157476
ASRock B85 Pro4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387
 
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It seems that all Intel chipsets model names which have "k" after them means there is no overclock limit; so if you want to overclock, go get 4670k.

But to me, the one which can overclock seems to be usually better than the one which cannot.
 
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Hi kenshindono -

It kinda depends on what you want to do with the machine. If this is an internet-office-email-skype-youtube-facebook machine, then the non-k version will do just fine. If you want to overclock and drive your cpu performance to the maximum, then you need the "K" cpu version.

The "B" version is generally targetted at business users, as it has a few items that are more conducive to managing lots of desktops across your enterprise. The "Z" version motherboards have features that allow you to take full advantage of your "K" version processor. The "H" mobo is probably better if you're back to the basic internet-office-email-skype-youtube-facebook machine.

You can do a google search on "b85 vs h87 vs z87" and you'll find lots of articles that go into deep detail about the differences.

So ... what will your sister be doing with the machine?

(A few other things to think about - SSD, graphics card, power supply, HD, DVD, memory, etc., but the answers may change depending on what your sister will be doing with the machine...)

Let us know the answer and we can help you some more.
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OK.. but why? Whats the difference between a B85 and a Z87? the B85s seem to be cheaper.

@Gorthefrogs post. Thanks for that bit of info. But why do you say the B is aimed to business and the Z lets you overclock better.. how so? Do they have different bios options? different archetecture? To clarify my sister will be mostly doing office type stuff/internet on it. As well as watching a lot of movies and that kind of stuff. However my niece does enjoy playing games so i want it to be able to play stuff decently. I already picked up a 7870GHZ edition for $140 for it (was going to get a ti650 but i figure for the sale price might as well step up for that) Since it has a decent graphic card in it i wonder if getting those cheaper B boards would be an issue?

I actually had some stuff kinda picked out. I WAS gonna go with a Kingston HyperX 3K SSD since its on sale for $75 but i hear bad things about it. I'll probaly snag something else. Maybe a Samsung or something if its on sale for around 80ish. Heres what I do have locked down so far:

NZXT Source 210 case $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146078
EVGA 100-B1-0500-KR 500w power supply $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438012&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL042414&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042414-_-EMC-042414-Index-_-PowerSupplies-_-17438012-L09C
Western Digital WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM HD $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339

Those 3 are the only ones i have kinda locked down. Leaning towards the ASRock Z87 PRO3 mb possibly and still undecided on the 4570 VS 4670k

For the power supply im not sure if EVGA is a good brand. Its rated pretty well though and they make decent gfx cards. Im also not sure on the output: 500W should be good enough right? For ram i was thinking of some hyperX blue for $65 since its on sale
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104262&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL042414&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042414-_-EMC-042414-Index-_-DesktopMemory-_-20104262-L0B
However its listed as 1.65v which i hear has some issues. I should shoot for what... 1.5? 1.35?


Also is the z87 pro 3 the only one that can OC? i thought the other ones could as well.. are the z87 line the ONLY ones that let you OC the processor in the BIOS? GuatoNoP01 says the pro 3 is the only one that can but i could have sworn the fatality said it could too
 
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just an update. Im going with the 4670k i believe. Couldn't get the 4570 for the $160 microcenter has pricematched anywehre. That said i guess i need to stick with a z87 board right? Assuming thats the case heres the ones i was looking at.. suggestions?

all Asrock boards at ~100 bucks
extreme 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157372
pro4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157381
pro 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157370
Fatal1ty Z87
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157460

just not too sure what the difference is between them. Hell im not even sure if the pro line or extreme is higher end.. i think judging from pricing that the extreme is the higher end line? They all seem to have the same number of USB ports. THe only thing i really notice is that some have a different set up of PCI and PCI express slots. Also the extreme and killer have a higher powerphase which if i recall is good for.... stability? Other than that im not sure what the real difference is in them. they range from about $85-$105 or so. The fatality is the real oddball in there. i cant tell if its more in line with the pro or extreme line or what. seems a mix, and it seems to have ZERO PCI slots.. just ExpressX16 and regular expresses. Would i even need a regular PCI slot this day and age? I think the killer also has a better NIC card
 
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hmm no one else? Really would ike some suggestions on the board. i should probalby order it today. I think the pro 3 is out so its between the Pro4, Extreme3, and Fatal1ty i think. Right now the sale prices are
Pro4 $95
Fatal1ty $95
Extreme 3 $104

I THINK im leaning to the Fatal1ty or extreme 3, probably the Fat since its on sale for cheeaper. Im just concerned about the lack of a regular PCI slot
 
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Hi kenshindono -

Yes, the different chipsets have slightly different support features in the BIOS. B85, for example, support Intel Small Business Advantage - http://www.intel.com/support/software/applications/sba/sb/CS-033348.htm. This lets you do things like force all of your desktops to wake up and update in the middle of the night, etc. This is about how you manage the PC; it has no impact on the way that your software runs.

Z87 has bios that lets you control, at a very granular level, all of the features that your "K" processor has available. Said another way, "K" has the ability to overclock, but only "Z" gives you the interface to use the capability.

It's not a perfect analogy, but think of the CPU as the engine and the rest of the car as the chipset. Sure, you can put a high performance engine into a standard car body, but you won't have the same driving experience as a car that is optimized with all of the extra high performance components.

I'd again encourage you to google "b85 vs h87 vs z87" for more info on the subject.

Any of these setups will do fine for your sister; it sounds like she's a casual individual home/home office user. For your niece - if she's younger and the games are like "Pet Vet", "Nancy Drew," "Zoo Tycoon", etc., you don't really need the extra of a K cpu and a Z motherboard. Heck, you won't need the graphics card for this either, and you can rely on the on-board graphics engine in the i5-4670K. If the games are more like "Assassin's Creed" or "Skyrim," then you'll be happier with the extra horsepower and features from a K/Z combo, and you'll definitely need the graphics card.

Personal opinion, I would not build with a "B" mobo for home or personal use. I would not put an unlocked Intel K cpu into a "B" or "H" chipset mobo. For me, it doesn't make sense in terms of the price/value/features.

Again, hope this helps.

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B85 is fine for home use. Only thing H87 really offers over b85 is raid capability. Not something the average user is going to mess with. Unlocked chip in a B or H series, I agree, is silly. I don't really see the value in overclocking anymore. The money saved by going with my suggestion would be better spent elsewhere.
 
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