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April 27, 2014 7:39:56 PM

I recently upgraded my EVGA GTX 460 to a EVGA GTX 660 ti. The GTX 660 is about 3 inches longer, and having a mid-tower and a non-modular PSU, my airflow is completely blocked by my GPU and a bunch of power supply cables. This has caused a spike in my CPU and Motherboard temperatures. They are usually idling at about 60°C - 70°C, and while gaming, I've seen my motherboard spike to 102°C! So I figured I could either invest in liquid cooling, which is expensive, difficult, and overall risky. Or I could go with getting a new full-tower case. I have decided (for obvious reasons) to go with the latter. After doing some research, I found a case I think might be good, but I still would like a second opinion and any other ideas for cases. My requirements is that it is:
-About ~$150 or less
-Fairly quiet, doesn't have to be noiseless, but with these temperatures my fans sound like a turbine
-Reliable. I don't want it to be like my old PSU, fail after a month. I want this new tower to last for a long time.
-I need it to properly cool down my computer. After all, that is the only reason I am getting a new case.
-I honestly don't care much about the looks, I just prefer it isn't a black box with no personality.

The case I have in mind is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The reviews look good, and its quiet, cheap, and has great fans. But as I said, I want a second opinion and I want to see if anyone else has any other ideas.

Current Build:
CPU: AMD Phenum II x6 Black Edition
GPU: EVGA GTX 660 Superclocked
Motherboard: Biostar +TA870U3
PSU: Cooler Master GX 750W Bronze
Current Case: Unknown, it is a black NZXT mid tower case, I couldn't find it anywhere online.
Internal Picture: http://i.imgur.com/QrdrkzU.jpg

tl : dr New GPU blocked my airflow, need to upgrade mid-tower to full-tower case. Need help deciding new case

Thank you for all responses and advice

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April 27, 2014 7:42:31 PM

The NZXT Phantoms are nice. Same goes for the Fractal R4 cases.
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April 27, 2014 7:53:03 PM

I have the HAF X... i've reused it for several builds over the last few years. There's nothing better on the market than it in my opionoin. $160 AR on newegg

it has adjustable GPU support bracket, side 200mm blowing on GPUs, and a mountable 120mm with shroud that shoots air between the GPUs.

it's perfect for any SLI setup... plus there's no LED crap. I just want a big monster black case, i dont need lights blinking 24/7 to tell me i have a nice PC
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April 27, 2014 7:55:48 PM

Honestly you have no need for a full tower at all. A normal mid-tower and PROPER CABLE MANAGEMENT will get you perfect temps. And you will NEVER get a silent full tower.

You build is TINY for a full tower case.

Your case is 100% fine. Just neaten those cables up a bit.

Also, if your CPU is sidling at 60, you have BIG problems that are not case related at all.
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April 27, 2014 8:05:21 PM

yes. it sounds like some propper cable management is all that is needed.

it sounds like you might also be needing an aftermarket cpu cooler. you shouldnt be getting such high numbers unless you are running stock. also i'd suggest that your cpu cooler exhausts out towards the back instead of vertical. this way any front airflow is directed straight towards it.

honestly cases like the corsair 750d, phantom 530 and haf-x are all good if you wanted to upgrade but its probably not needed. at most i'd say you need some cable organization, perhaps some better fans and perhaps a cpu cooler if you dont have an aftermarket one yet. also if you are idle at 60 perhaps you dont have something seated right or you have an issue with thermal compound. either that or your pc case has almost zero airflow.

post a few pics of what you have now and we can better comment.

@RazerZ, nice avatar :p 

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April 27, 2014 8:08:10 PM

ssddx said:
yes. it sounds like some propper cable management is all that is needed.

it sounds like you might also be needing an aftermarket cpu cooler. you shouldnt be getting such high numbers unless you are running stock. also i'd suggest that your cpu cooler exhausts out towards the back instead of vertical. this way any front airflow is directed straight towards it.

honestly cases like the corsair 750d, phantom 530 and haf-x are all good if you wanted to upgrade but its probably not needed. at most i'd say you need some cable organization, perhaps some better fans and perhaps a cpu cooler if you dont have an aftermarket one yet.

post a few pics of what you have now and we can better comment.

@RazerZ, nice avatar :p 



Haha thanks ;) 


Well OP it looks like the mods have made some good points. As long as it has good airflow, cable management, and is spacious, the rest falls into which design you like the best.
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April 27, 2014 8:10:33 PM

His current case is perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with it at all. It is a good case. He has other issues. Even in an ir tight case, 60c idle is way too high. Changing cases will not fix this.
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April 27, 2014 8:14:57 PM

tiny voices said:
His current case is perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with it at all. It is a good case. He has other issues. Even in an ir tight case, 60c idle is way too high. Changing cases will not fix this.


Good point, just looked at its case and I believe it's a NZXT Gamma mid tower. The GPU should be the problem then. The case from what I can tell is looking a bit dusty on the bottom and a good clean up on the 660 might help or solve the problem.
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April 27, 2014 8:16:48 PM

I believe he said his CPU and motherboard socket were idling at 60c and 70c. This is the problem. Not airflow. Even in a case with very poor airflow a 60c idle temp for the CPU indicates there is something else wrong.
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April 27, 2014 8:19:32 PM

tiny voices said:
I believe he said his CPU and motherboard socket were idling at 60c and 70c. This is the problem. Not airflow. Even in a case with very poor airflow a 60c idle temp for the CPU indicates there is something else wrong.


Oh sorry I misread. Well nevertheless it does seem like the stock cooler is dusty as well and I think cleaning the cooler as well as reapplying thermal paste could help the problem.
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April 27, 2014 8:24:16 PM

@tiny

actually.... thats not all that unbelievable.

in my old corsair 800d which ran stock with good cable management and with the stock cpu cooler with no overclocking i typically idled at 40-45c and after half a day or when doing anything even somewhat taxing i was up around 60c.

the main issue of course is that i was running a stock cooler and that case didnt have ideal airflow. it was somewhat of a hotbox despite its great build quality and looks hence why i upgraded to a hyper 212 and a corsair 750d. even with a mild overclock now my temps are still cool at low case fan speeds.

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@op... looks like i missed that internal picture before... doh...

you definitely need to fix those wires but if that case has any decent fans up front you can likely still use it.

you can probably tuck those wires under the hdd to clear up that rats nest.
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April 28, 2014 12:32:27 PM

Thank you everyone for your quick response. Being my first post, I am completely stunned at all the input. Many of you are saying the problem isn't the case, it's the cable management and the stock CPU cooler. However, when I was running my old EVGA GTX 460, my case had proper airflow and the motherboard and CPU were reading temperatures at about 40C, 25C when idle. The temperatures only started spiking after installing my 660. Yes, my case still needs cable management and the sorts, but I know almost 80% the problem is with the airflow.
Again, thank you for your responses.
In the way of new cases, I'm definitely loving the NZXT Phantom, not too sure which one though.
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April 28, 2014 12:34:19 PM

Get the Phantom 410. It is a larger mid-tower case. BUT,m with proper fans and cable management there is ZERO reason your computer would overheat. You case is popular and TONS of people use it with no problems at all.
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April 28, 2014 4:03:45 PM

I'm not using the NZXT Gamma, looks similar, but the front is very different.
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April 28, 2014 4:12:44 PM

gabsnake said:
I'm not using the NZXT Gamma, looks similar, but the front is very different.


Right, sorry I had the wrong case in mind. I'm guaranteed it's the NZXT M59. It's a decent case and there shouldn't be a problem with it. As the others have said, use the cut out slots on the side and completely redo your cable management.
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April 28, 2014 6:14:33 PM

RazerZ said:
gabsnake said:
I'm not using the NZXT Gamma, looks similar, but the front is very different.


Right, sorry I had the wrong case in mind. I'm guaranteed it's the NZXT M59. It's a decent case and there shouldn't be a problem with it. As the others have said, use the cut out slots on the side and completely redo your cable management.


Yes that's it. Thanks, I've been looking for it. Also I'v tried the cable management, the problem is my power supply is non modular and has about ten 0.5 in. cables. It's just too much to manage. It's also another reason I'm getting a full tower, it's much easier to set up cable management. I was also wondering about the NZXT Phantom 410. The case looks incredible and the reviews seem great, definitely getting it unless anyone suggests something better. I was wondering though, was the black and orange discontinued? I can't seem to find it on amazon or newegg, and when I try to buy it on teir website, it doesn't exist. This isn't a big problem, I can easily get any other color (except the red, that looks hideous), I would just like to know the deal with the black and orange trim.

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April 28, 2014 6:18:26 PM

the best thing to do with a non-modular power supply is to either tuck the cables behind the motherboard tray (if the case has one) and/or on the bottom in the lower hdd bays.

you might have better luck if you coil them up or zip tie them in place one by one. its easier than trying to fight the whole mess of them.

phantom 410 black and orange $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 28, 2014 6:27:17 PM

You do not need a modular PSU for good cable management.

Here is my build with a non-modular PSU which has more cables than yours AND cable extensions.



I am still in the " you do not need a new case" camp.
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April 28, 2014 6:41:35 PM

The NZXT Phantom 410 is a mid-tower case. I'm looking for a full tower. Which of the NZXT Phatom's full tower would be the best?
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April 28, 2014 6:44:16 PM

with the help of google images... here is what i suggested in photos...

if you have a motherboard tray you can pull the wires to the back and zip tie them up like this (what i would suggest)



from the front side it would look something like this (what i would suggest)



or you can tuck the cables in the front in the bottom hdd bay like this (an option, but not as nice as the first one)


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April 28, 2014 6:45:11 PM

You have NO need for a full tower. Everyone in this thread has agreed with this. Honestly, your case is fine. It is just too messy, which CAN BE FIXED, regardless of whether you think it is possible or not.
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April 28, 2014 6:46:48 PM

are you sure you want a full tower? i've owned a full tower and standard length psu cables DO NOT always reach. i can tell you that from firsthand experience. you might need to get extensions to make it work. also, full tower cases are going to be more expensive and you really dont need one.

you can do fine with a mid tower. now i can see if you want to get a newer/better case for cable management or one with better fan slots for better cooling and that i agree with but a mid tower size should be perfectly fine and it will allow you to use your current psu without having to potentially buy extensions.
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April 28, 2014 6:47:28 PM

Thanks again for the quick response. However I'm still trying to figure out the major differences between the full tower phantom cases, mainly the Original, the ATX, and the 530. If someone could tell me which is better for what and why so, that would be very helpful. I am not too sure how long my CPU and motherboard can run at the temperatures, and it has really kept me from heavy gaming for free or frying them.
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April 28, 2014 6:50:58 PM

different sizes of case, different fan sizes and some different layouts.

the original phantom is a full sized tower i believe. honestly you'd have to go through the specs.

out of them... i'd have to say the phantom 530 is probably the best one for you. its got good large fans (comes with two 200mm, can put a third) and more cable management space than the original.

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read the cable management ideas and look at the photos above. that is how you should lay out the wires.

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as a temporary fix you can remove the side panel from your case and run with it open. your temps should drop significantly. if they dont... then something is wrong.
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April 28, 2014 6:51:05 PM

Before you spend money on a HUGE ridiculous case you will regret, re-do your build properly and see if it helps.

You never told us what fan setup you have and are just trying to jump into some new case without actually trying to solve the issue.

If I was in this situation, I would do the following: 1) reapply thermal paste to the CPU cooler and MAKE SURE it is properly installed. 2) ensure you case fans are spinning properly. Also how many do you have and where are they? 30 rebuild the computer and use proper cable management techniques. I promise, if you do all these things, it will be solved without buying some enormous case.

Look, these are some builds that are neat and tidy done in YOUR EXACT CASE.

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April 28, 2014 6:53:45 PM

yes..

we arent trying to force a decision on you. we just dont want to see you spend money if you dont have to.

please take the time to re-read all of the above posts in case you missed something :) 
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April 28, 2014 6:54:11 PM

ssddx said:
different sizes of case, different fan sizes and some different layouts.

the original phantom is a full sized tower i believe. honestly you'd have to go through the specs.

out of them... i'd have to say the phantom 530 is probably the best one for you. its got good large fans (comes with two 200mm, can put a third) and more cable management space than the original.

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read the cable management ideas and look at the photos above. that is how you should lay out the wires.

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as a temporary fix you can remove the side panel from your case and run with it open. your temps should drop significantly. if they dont... then something is wrong.


100% agree. Try with the side panel off and post back. If the temps are not ALOT better, you have an issue that is NOT case related.
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April 28, 2014 7:52:30 PM

I realize that many of you think the best solution is better cable management or that my my fans aren't working properly. However, my fans were working absolutely perfectly before installing my new GPU. The new card was about 3 inches longer, and completely separated the intake and outake fans. I in no way damaged the fans when replacing the graphics card. And tiny voice, those people in the pictures improved the default case fans and I believe have modular power supplies as there is not enough room behind my motherboard for the cables, I've tried. And everyone who is concerned about me wasting money on a new case, 1. Its only about $120, as much as I spend grocery shopping for the week. 2. Even if it doesn't solve the issue, so what? Its still a new case and the Phantom looks gorgeous. 3. I know my computer, I definitely dont know how it works compared to most of you here, but I built it myself, I've felt it, examined it. This really seems to be the only way to fix it. 4. My current case, the M59, has two small fans, a side fan and a rear fan. They used to be enough but this new GPU has blocked the airflow. The addition of more space, better cable management, and a front and top 200mm fan has to help any computer. I mean in no way to insult any of your knowledge, and I'm extremely grateful for the quick and helpful responses.
I am sorry for any and all grammatical or spelling mistakes as I'm writing this up on my phone. Also, a bit off topic, does anyone know when Windows 8.1 Mobile come out?
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April 28, 2014 7:54:44 PM

Sorry tiny voice, didnt see the first picture actually has a non modular PSU. Also no editing posts on mobile...?
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April 28, 2014 8:27:03 PM

TH on mobile is a bit limited. editing might not be possible.

its your choice if you want to get a new case or not. its not insulting us by saying you still want one despite us saying that it might not be necessary.

actually... if you get something like the phantom 530 or similar airflow case it should be a pretty decent improvement over what you have now as far as airflow. however, when you move things into the new case remember to look at the photos we suggested and try to do something similar with cables.

i recently moved from an 800d case to a 750d case myself for some better airflow so i understand where you are coming from. it really wasnt needed and i could have did some modification and additions to the current case to make it work however that was not what i wanted to do. at the same time i picked up a hyper 212 cpu cooler for about $30 which is a vast improvment over the stock cooler i've been using for years. my temps are about 20c lower than previously and that is only on low fan speeds.
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April 29, 2014 1:37:15 PM

Ok, I have decided to get the NZXT Phantom ATX White (Full tower). If anyone has any other suggestions or warning before I buy this tower, please voice them soon, as I will be ordering it soon. Thank you again for all your help, really great first impressions for this site.
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April 29, 2014 1:41:17 PM

psu cable lengths may be an issue... may require extensions.

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April 29, 2014 1:53:41 PM

I disagree with your decision, but I hope it works out for you. It is a good case!

You will probably need cable extensions as stated above.
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April 29, 2014 3:06:37 PM

That PSU is not very good quality to begin with and I would recommend replacing it to begin with. Just wait for the case and you will know if the cables are not long enough. Also, you probably want to watch a few cable management guides and tutorials to help you not end up with a rats nest again.
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April 29, 2014 4:12:59 PM

I'd prefer to not have to wait after my case gets here. Is there any way of knowing for sure if I'll need them or not?
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April 29, 2014 5:10:07 PM

to be honest... until you get the case and attempt to route the cables you wont know for sure. you can either take a guess or read what other people said about building in that case but all psus are different so its hard to say.

the only reason tiny and i say you will probably need extensions is that we know from experience. i've owned a full tower case so i know that cable length can be an issue in some of the larger cases, especially ones with a bottom mounted psu.

we made our points already i think. you are free to do as you wish and buy what you want.

good luck.

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April 29, 2014 5:32:48 PM

Ok, well then I'd say this thread is about wrapped up. Thank you all for your help, and please continue to help many more with their issues. ssddx and tiny voice, you two have been extremely helpful and I cannot express how much I thank you. These temperatures and noise have been stressing me out for a while. Here's to hoping this case will fix it! I will post pictures and temperatures once I've transferred my computer to the new case.
In case any one didn't see, I am getting the NZXT Phantom ATX (White).
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May 7, 2014 5:48:36 PM

Well, the case came, I transferred the hardware, and after a bit of issues (my computer booted up from the Simcity 4 disc in my disc drive...) it works, and it's idling at great temperatures! Around 35C for the motherboard and 30C for the CPU. Also let me just say this case is massive! And it looks incredible. I also properly managed the cables.
OLD CASE INTERNAL PICTURE


NEW CASE INTERNAL PICTURE


CABLE MANAGEMENT
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May 8, 2014 6:23:03 PM

Looks decent. To be honest it looks really tiny and funny in that huge case, but glad it works. I still 100% believe you have another issue though.
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