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April 28, 2014 3:40:39 PM

Calm your inner fan boy, please. I'm not here to argue nuances, I just need a straight answer, because searching tom's and the internet hasn't helped clear the picture too much.

I'm looking to upgrade to a GTX 770 OC, but I currently have a Phenom II X4 975 BE OC @ 3.95 (running on an AsRock 970 extreme3 w/ a Swiftech Polaris 120 Heatsink). I have a feeling that I'm going to bottleneck myself, and I don't want to do that, especially since I want to be able to play Watch Dogs (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about my assumption).

I need to know, either should I upgrade to a higher AMD, or should I switch my Mobo over to Intel and get a CPU that can run a 770? I'm looking for the best price for performance option here please, not what fan screams the loudest.


Links:

770 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)
CPU - Current (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)
Mobo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)
PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

PS.

I'm looking to upgrade to an AIO liquid cooler since I'm doing CPU only, so I might be able to increase the OC on my current CPU a bit. I got to 4.2, but it wasn't constantly stable (would run for hours, but eventually it'd kick out. I think it needed more voltage).

Cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Any and all help is greatly appreciated

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April 28, 2014 3:50:56 PM

Whats your budget
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April 28, 2014 3:51:02 PM

a lot of improvement can be seen when you upgrade to an 8320/i5. the i5 will yield better results though.
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April 28, 2014 3:56:25 PM

Xtwargodtx said:
Whats your budget


GAH, I knew I was forgetting something. Right now I want to shoot for under 800. I'm at $559.88 atm due to this

http://prntscr.com/3eef4a
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April 28, 2014 3:58:44 PM

Watch Dogs is asking for an i7.

If you can squeeze it into your budget I'd grab a Xeon 1230v3 (almost the equivalent of an i7 4770, but much cheaper) and B85 or H87 motherboard.
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April 28, 2014 4:00:06 PM

for a budget of $800 go for the i5 4670k, or xeon E3-1230 v3.
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April 28, 2014 4:01:43 PM

if you go for the xeon E3-1230 v3 then you wont be able to afford a Z87 board :p 
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April 28, 2014 4:07:39 PM

There is no single answer as there are too many variables. Every thread you read about Intel vs AMD will have mixed opinions, you'll never find a thread in which everyone says AMD is best or Intel is best at doing whatever you want to do on your PC.

"Performance" is subjective too. Do you mean "best fps in watchdogs" or best performance in something else, best temps, lowest power consumption?

Typically, AMD has best performance/$, but there are reasons why they have to charge less and reasons why most people (according to the Steam survey) still choose, the generally more expensive Intel.
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April 28, 2014 4:19:53 PM

well, if you were going with the i5 4670k then you would want a z87 board to overclock. and the i7 4770k is not the best bet, that wont leave much room for the gpu. i would go with i5 4670(K), if you dont get the K version then get a b85 board. if you specifically want high performance in watchdogs, the the xeon E3-1230 v3, because it is an i7 4770 without the graphics, and is much cheaper.
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April 28, 2014 4:24:51 PM

Like other people said go for either an FX-8320 or intel i5 3570k but both have same overall performance (CPUBOSS) and the 8320 is about $60 as cheaper
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April 28, 2014 4:27:25 PM

eh, if you want to go intel over amd, go with socket 1150, as socket 1155 has no upgrade path. fx 8320 and hyper 212 evo cooler for $170 is a great pair, and will leave more room for a gpu, but i would still suggest intel.
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April 28, 2014 4:08:44 PM

Intel i7 4770k is your best bet. U should also consider an aftermarket cpu cooler because it is haswell based ( correct me if I am wrong but I think the i7 4770k is haswell) something like a Corsair H60, Noctua D-14, and if your on a tight budget Cooler master evo 212 are all great choices
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April 28, 2014 4:30:19 PM

CTOAGN said:
Like other people said go for either an FX-8320 or intel i5 3570k but both have same overall performance (CPUBOSS) and the 8320 is about $60 as cheaper


That and I won't have to buy a new mobo/ Windows license.


Danbuscus25 said:
eh, if you want to go intel over amd, go with socket 1150, as socket 1155 has no upgrade path. fx 8320 and hyper 212 evo cooler for $170 is a great pair, and will leave more room for a gpu, but i would still suggest intel.



But I'm curious, what's your reasoning for taking the intel over the fx 8320?
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April 28, 2014 4:09:05 PM

Danbuscus25 said:
if you go for the xeon E3-1230 v3 then you wont be able to afford a Z87 board :p 


why would you need a Z87 mobo, a cheap B85 would be fine.
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April 28, 2014 4:37:17 PM

it has better performance than the 8320, uses less power so it saves on your electric bill, doesnt get quite as hot (well, the 8320 wont with the 212 evo) and it has an upgrade path.
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April 28, 2014 4:12:29 PM

OH SH1T didn't see the seidon ur buying forget what I said about the heatsinks just make sure u buy some good thermal paste. ( My fav thermalpaste is Arctic cooling mx4)
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April 28, 2014 4:12:32 PM

leeb2013 said:
There is no single answer as there are too many variables. Every thread you read about Intel vs AMD will have mixed opinions, you'll never find a thread in which everyone says AMD is best or Intel is best at doing whatever you want to do on your PC.

"Performance" is subjective too. Do you mean "best fps in watchdogs" or best performance in something else, best temps, lowest power consumption?

Typically, AMD has best performance/$, but there are reasons why they have to charge less and reasons why most people (according to the Steam survey) still choose, the generally more expensive Intel.


I guess, I'm looking for a balance between performance and price honestly. Temps and noise don't bother me as much. I just want my games to be smooth and fast.


Xtwargodtx said:
OH SH1T didn't see the seidon ur buying forget what I said about the heatsinks just make sure u buy some good thermal paste. ( My fav thermalpaste is Arctic cooling mx4)


And That's what I've got in my computer tool kit haha.
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April 28, 2014 4:47:18 PM

regarding a socket 1150 mobo having an upgrade path, I don't think it's been confirmed that Broadwell will use 1150 and even if it does, I've read reports that it will need a new chipset anyway ie. 9x chipset.
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April 28, 2014 4:50:06 PM

@Danbuscus The i5-3570k only outperforms in single core performance but overall the 8320 performs slightly better at a better cost. Also the 8320 has 7 more mb in the l2 cache for later quick access, Higher clock speed, Better overclocking capabilities (if op wants to OC) twice as many cores so he can run more programs, slightly better l3 cache (same benifits as l2), twice as many threads, and has a better passmark and passmark OC scores along with cinebench r11.5
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April 28, 2014 4:53:52 PM

The only place the 3570k is better in passmark and cinebench scores is in single core perfomance and the passmark is only marginal
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April 28, 2014 5:11:02 PM

So after much consideration, it looks like the 8320 is a better price for marginal performance drop. I won't be OCing much, but I don't want to have to spend more on intel just to have to buy another mobo anyway. I'll consider another route if AMD doesn't work out next time I look to upgrade. Thank you all so much for the help.
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April 28, 2014 7:18:16 PM

ok :p  so an fx 8320 and a cooler right? the hyper 212 evo is only $30 and is much quieter and will run cooler to allow more overclocking :p  and regarding broadwell, it will be socket 1150, however yes it will be chipset 9 and z97, but haswell-E will run a z87 i believe.
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April 28, 2014 7:21:35 PM

The Hyper 212 Evo at most should be a little more than hearing a whisper 6ft away in a quiet library but it is a good pick for any build
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April 28, 2014 7:24:57 PM

^nice profile pic lol and yeah the hyper 212 evo is almost unnoticeable, and depending on your case, is completely unnoticeable at low rpm's.
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April 28, 2014 7:48:12 PM

Danbuscus25 said:
ok :p  so an fx 8320 and a cooler right? the hyper 212 evo is only $30 and is much quieter and will run cooler to allow more overclocking :p  and regarding broadwell, it will be socket 1150, however yes it will be chipset 9 and z97, but haswell-E will run a z87 i believe.


Naturally, but as I had said, I was going with the Seidon 240M. I want this thing super quiet, with two nf-f12s.
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April 28, 2014 8:00:00 PM

well, that liquid cooler is unnecessary unless overclocking that 8320 past ~4.5 ghz, but if you want to overclock that far then go ahead with that cooler.
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April 28, 2014 8:13:07 PM

Considering the out of the box clocks on that, I don't think I'll be doing much OCing. So you're recommending the hyper 212? I just want it quiet so I can download things in the middle of the night and not have a turbine going.
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April 28, 2014 8:20:27 PM

CTOAGN said:
@Danbuscus The i5-3570k only outperforms in single core performance but overall the 8320 performs slightly better at a better cost. Also the 8320 has 7 more mb in the l2 cache for later quick access, Higher clock speed, Better overclocking capabilities (if op wants to OC) twice as many cores so he can run more programs, slightly better l3 cache (same benifits as l2), twice as many threads, and has a better passmark and passmark OC scores along with cinebench r11.5




8 incompetent cores are just that, incompetent..

to the OP, get a haswell and save yourself the trouble.
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April 28, 2014 8:21:20 PM

the hyper 212 evo will be very quiet, pretty much unnoticeable. and the 8320 can hit 5.0ghz if you have the right cooler and mobo, it is one of the best overclocking cpu's ever.
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April 28, 2014 8:26:33 PM

wh3resmycar said:
CTOAGN said:
@Danbuscus The i5-3570k only outperforms in single core performance but overall the 8320 performs slightly better at a better cost. Also the 8320 has 7 more mb in the l2 cache for later quick access, Higher clock speed, Better overclocking capabilities (if op wants to OC) twice as many cores so he can run more programs, slightly better l3 cache (same benifits as l2), twice as many threads, and has a better passmark and passmark OC scores along with cinebench r11.5




8 incompetent cores are just that, incompetent..

to the OP, get a haswell and save yourself the trouble.


I applaud your table good sir. The top two are $500+ which will cause him to get cheaper parts that may or may not be good (if the price interferes with his budget) and we were just talking about the third top one earlier it is just the 8320 with higher standard clock. Along with the top third it is also more or less $400 cheaper. Zunzwang sir?
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April 28, 2014 8:28:26 PM

you can insert in a standard a i5 haswell there with dips not going lower than 30fps in min fps.
or should i stress how important minimum fps is?
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April 28, 2014 8:36:11 PM

well the only thing is if I throw in a standard i5, I have to throw in a board that can take an i5 instead of my AM3+.

Also, I haven't kept up to date on intel since I've only recently started looking at parts. What's your opinion on a "standard i5"?
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April 28, 2014 8:39:05 PM

There are no really standard i5. It's like is there a standard human. An original. There is one somewhere but over time the population get so diverse everyone has their own unique thing.
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April 28, 2014 8:39:14 PM

it's time move on from am3+ imho.

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The i5-3570k only outperforms in single core performance but overall the 8320 performs slightly better at a better cost.


just don't get duped with statements like this.
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April 28, 2014 8:39:51 PM

CTOAGN said:
There are no really standard i5. It's like is there a standard human. An original. There is one somewhere but over time the population get so diverse everyone has their own unique thing.


a standard i5 is non K i5. genius much?

edit: i probably should've used the term regular. sorry.
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April 28, 2014 8:43:13 PM

wh3resmycar said:
it's time move on from am3+ imho.

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The i5-3570k only outperforms in single core performance but overall the 8320 performs slightly better at a better cost.


just don't get duped with statements like this.


If he switches from an AM3+ mobo he has to pay for both the new processor and new motherboard when he can just upgrade the processor. Also compare these two on any of your choosing. I picked CPUBOSS if you want to look there.
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April 28, 2014 8:48:16 PM

why should i use cpuboss? he's going to game. and games are the ones that matter. how fast those 8 cores are in unpacking a RAR file doesn't count when they suck in feeding gpu information and stuttering.

so in essence what i'm saying is to save up some more and get a better platform for the money.
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April 28, 2014 8:51:41 PM

CTOAGN said:
wh3resmycar said:
it's time move on from am3+ imho.

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The i5-3570k only outperforms in single core performance but overall the 8320 performs slightly better at a better cost.


just don't get duped with statements like this.


If he switches from an AM3+ mobo he has to pay for both the new processor and new motherboard when he can just upgrade the processor. Also compare these two on any of your choosing. I picked CPUBOSS if you want to look there.



And that's the kicker. Intel's so damn expensive, and I can't justify buying $300+ if ~150 would work just as well, with maybe a little drop in performance.


And wh3resmycar, what would you recommend then? Like, parts on newegg or the retailer of your choice.
This is one of the cases where I love to be corrected because it means I can explore another option.
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April 28, 2014 8:51:44 PM

I have been using an 8320 for the past year and I have had no problems with gaming or unpacking rar files, or "stuttering". How would cpu processes suck in gpu information
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April 28, 2014 9:04:52 PM

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How would cpu processes suck in gpu information


"they suck" as an adjective not verb.

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And wh3resmycar, what would you recommend then? Like, parts on newegg or the retailer of your choice.
This is one of the cases where I love to be corrected because it means I can explore another option.


sorry i can't recommend anything other than waiting and saving up.

but worst case scenario will be getting an i3 which is a tad expensive for it's price then move up to broadwell next year. again, worst case scenario.

making stories up with 8300s giving better overall performance against an i5 is what irks me.
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April 28, 2014 9:11:26 PM

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/441/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1863395/amd-8320...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2056784/amd-8320...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1694765/amd-8320...

Performance chart from another site along with 3 solved questions on the topic we are discussing from the first page of google search. the i5 might have a upper hand but the advantage is so small it would be almost unnoticeable. Also I never said better I said they are even but the price difference put the 8320 in the lead.
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April 28, 2014 9:50:32 PM

tomshardware, the very site where this forum is hosted is one of the few sites that include min fps. should i really stress how much min fps matter? you should know this, you're giving out advise.
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April 28, 2014 9:55:23 PM

Does that 10 fps really matter? Also you are treating the min as if it was the max, as if it was a 1 core celeron cpu. You seem to be stressing about the 10fps for a while now. try to get along with another one of your complaints in the monring I have to go back to school tomorrow.
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April 28, 2014 10:04:21 PM

wh3resmycar said:
tomshardware, the very site where this forum is hosted is one of the few sites that include min fps. should i really stress how much min fps matter? you should know this, you're giving out advise.


CTOAGN said:
Does that 10 fps really matter?


To see it from Wh3's point of view, I can understand. 30 fps and a game is playable, 21 and you're getting annoyed.

To see it from CTO's point of view, that's 10 fps, so it's not a big deal, because you just turn down something. MSAA, shadows, draw distance, something.

And that's most likely the path I'd take. It's just a little too expensive right now to do a board/cpu swap compared to a cpu purchase imo. I'm not saying the 8320 is better or the i5 is better, I'm just trying to balance real world scenarios with the stats of these two parts (with real world scenarios being, having money to take my girlfriend out to dinner or having 10 more fps).
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April 28, 2014 10:24:08 PM

CTOAGN said:
Does that 10 fps really matter? Also you are treating the min as if it was the max, as if it was a 1 core celeron cpu. You seem to be stressing about the 10fps for a while now. try to get along with another one of your complaints in the monring I have to go back to school tomorrow.


1. 10 fps below 30 fps renders an unplayable experience if talking avg.
2. the huge gap between min and avg indicates stuttering, as what toms concluded.
3. 10 fps matters whether you like it or not. that's huge especially in crysis.
4. mins are more important than max, i'd pick a cpu who's able to deliver 30fps minimum 40 avg 50 max, over a cpu that pulls 10 fps min / 60 avg / 120 max. consistency is the word we're looking for.

To the OP:

it's up to you if you'll be duped by fanboys like the other dude. i already gave you my advise.

edit: take the lady out for dinner and hold the upgrade, wait it out a few months then go. look at it as an investment. the x4 you have lasted you a lot of good years so what's a couple of months right?
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April 28, 2014 11:11:18 PM

Brendan_14 said:
Calm your inner fan boy, please. I'm not here to argue nuances, I just need a straight answer, because searching tom's and the internet hasn't helped clear the picture too much.




so has this new AMD vs Intel thread given you a straight answer? LOL!
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April 29, 2014 3:37:15 AM

THE STRAIGHT ANSWER IS THIS
Get the 8320 because although it is not as good as i5 in gaming ,it is much cheaper not to mention you will not have to spend any money for new motherboard.Also 8320 will not bottleneck your gtx 770 so don't worry about that either. And yes do get a hyper 212 evo cpu cooler if you wish to extract more performance out of the 8320 in the future.But it will be good enough at stock speeds to play any game with good fps.So 8320+770= wise choice(save money).
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April 29, 2014 12:43:55 PM

i agree, but only because you currently have a mobo that will work with the 8320. if you didnt have any parts, then i would recommend an i5.
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