Couple questions about my planned build
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mavanmanen
April 29, 2014 12:23:16 PM
There are a couple questions I need answers for about the build I want to buy
The build:
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 760K Black Edition
GPU: XFX R9 280X DD
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1600C9
PSU: Corsair CX600M
HDD: N/A
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB
Case: Bitfenix Prodigy
Cooler: Scythe Mugen 4 PCGH Edition
Appreciate any help I can get!
EDIT: About the missing HDD; I have a 2tb NAS for my media and an external 1TB usb3 drive for other stuff.
- Will my cpu bottleneck my gpu?
- Will my psu have enough power to power the system?
- Will it all fit in the case?
The build:
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 760K Black Edition
GPU: XFX R9 280X DD
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1600C9
PSU: Corsair CX600M
HDD: N/A
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB
Case: Bitfenix Prodigy
Cooler: Scythe Mugen 4 PCGH Edition
Appreciate any help I can get!
EDIT: About the missing HDD; I have a 2tb NAS for my media and an external 1TB usb3 drive for other stuff.
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1. Maybe. It would be better to go with an 4670K because intel's platform is much more, solid. The cpus also last a long time unlike amd cpus. And you might want to go with an asus mobo.
2. DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT GET THE CX SERIES PSUS FROM CORSAIR. they are utter crap and have very low quality parts. Go with a 650W from corsair so you have the room to crossfire.
3. Eh, maybe. I would go with a corsair mid tower case as they are much more renowned and look very "boxy."
Other thoughts: Why in the world do you not have an HDD? You need one to store all the files that are not as important as an OS and games! A seagate or Western Digital HDD costs about 60 bucks and will last about 10 years. You cannot put everything on to one cramped SSD. All the SSD is for is for the OS and games to load up as fast as possible. The HDD can handle everything else
2. DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT GET THE CX SERIES PSUS FROM CORSAIR. they are utter crap and have very low quality parts. Go with a 650W from corsair so you have the room to crossfire.
3. Eh, maybe. I would go with a corsair mid tower case as they are much more renowned and look very "boxy."
Other thoughts: Why in the world do you not have an HDD? You need one to store all the files that are not as important as an OS and games! A seagate or Western Digital HDD costs about 60 bucks and will last about 10 years. You cannot put everything on to one cramped SSD. All the SSD is for is for the OS and games to load up as fast as possible. The HDD can handle everything else
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As hard as it is to believe, not everyone needs hundreds of GB of space. My wife has an iMac with a 160GB harddrive that she's had for 5-6 years now, and still has plenty of room, even with pictures, videos, music, etc.
The CX series is low quality, but I wouldn't go nearly to the extent of what you said lol In this instance, yes, the CX series is not a great choice, but they are not utter crap. And 650w is definitely not enough for 280x Crossfire, not that that's even an issue as this is a mini-ITX build.
OP, to answer your questions:
1) Yes, the 760k isn't a very powerful CPU. It will work just fine for single player games, and non-CPU intensive gaming, but a lot of the newer games, especially multiplayer games like BF4 are very heavy on the CPU, and you will see a lot of frame drops and lag, which gets very annoying. I would recommend going with an i5 like was mentioned above if you can swing it. AMD CPUs just aren't good for high-performance ITX builds.
2) 600w is the sweet spot for single GPU builds. I would recommend a better power supply, since it looks like you will be overclocking, and the CX series isn't built to handle stress. The 280x can draw some watts, so if you want to overclock a lot, I would get something from Antec, SeaSonic or XFX, or something from the AX/GS/HX/TX lines from Corsair.
3) That will all definitely fit in the Prodigy
It's quite roomy inside.
The CX series is low quality, but I wouldn't go nearly to the extent of what you said lol In this instance, yes, the CX series is not a great choice, but they are not utter crap. And 650w is definitely not enough for 280x Crossfire, not that that's even an issue as this is a mini-ITX build.
OP, to answer your questions:
1) Yes, the 760k isn't a very powerful CPU. It will work just fine for single player games, and non-CPU intensive gaming, but a lot of the newer games, especially multiplayer games like BF4 are very heavy on the CPU, and you will see a lot of frame drops and lag, which gets very annoying. I would recommend going with an i5 like was mentioned above if you can swing it. AMD CPUs just aren't good for high-performance ITX builds.
2) 600w is the sweet spot for single GPU builds. I would recommend a better power supply, since it looks like you will be overclocking, and the CX series isn't built to handle stress. The 280x can draw some watts, so if you want to overclock a lot, I would get something from Antec, SeaSonic or XFX, or something from the AX/GS/HX/TX lines from Corsair.
3) That will all definitely fit in the Prodigy
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First of all, I've never heard of an imac shipping with a hard drive blow 500GB. Also, I was getting a little overdramatic with the CX series, i'm sorry about that. And I forgot my numbers on the GPU side. I was going to say 750W. OP: will you be crossfiring> Because if you are, you need at least a 750W psu
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mavanmanen
April 29, 2014 1:09:22 PM
HiTechObsessed said:
As hard as it is to believe, not everyone needs hundreds of GB of space. My wife has an iMac with a 160GB harddrive that she's had for 5-6 years now, and still has plenty of room, even with pictures, videos, music, etc.The CX series is low quality, but I wouldn't go nearly to the extent of what you said lol In this instance, yes, the CX series is not a great choice, but they are not utter crap. And 650w is definitely not enough for 280x Crossfire, not that that's even an issue as this is a mini-ITX build.
OP, to answer your questions:
1) Yes, the 760k isn't a very powerful CPU. It will work just fine for single player games, and non-CPU intensive gaming, but a lot of the newer games, especially multiplayer games like BF4 are very heavy on the CPU, and you will see a lot of frame drops and lag, which gets very annoying. I would recommend going with an i5 like was mentioned above if you can swing it. AMD CPUs just aren't good for high-performance ITX builds.
2) 600w is the sweet spot for single GPU builds. I would recommend a better power supply, since it looks like you will be overclocking, and the CX series isn't built to handle stress. The 280x can draw some watts, so if you want to overclock a lot, I would get something from Antec, SeaSonic or XFX, or something from the AX/GS/HX/TX lines from Corsair.
3) That will all definitely fit in the Prodigy
It's quite roomy inside.Thanks for your great answer.
What cpu and psu would you recommend for this build, with my max price of €800,- ?
I won't be doing an overclocking, and my main issue was always the psu being able to fit inside the small prodigy psu cage.
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mavanmanen
April 29, 2014 1:11:29 PM
mamamia13 said:
First of all, I've never heard of an imac shipping with a hard drive blow 500GB. Also, I was getting a little overdramatic with the CX series, i'm sorry about that. And I forgot my numbers on the GPU side. I was going to say 750W. OP: will you be crossfiring> Because if you are, you need at least a 750W psuNo crossfire, if you look at the motherboard and case, you will see I am building a mini-ITX build.
Also check my edit about the HDD
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mamamia13 said:
First of all, I've never heard of an imac shipping with a hard drive blow 500GB. Also, I was getting a little overdramatic with the CX series, i'm sorry about that. And I forgot my numbers on the GPU side. I was going to say 750W. OP: will you be crossfiring> Because if you are, you need at least a 750W psuWhether or not you've heard of something doesn't mean it's not true. She got it refurbished that came with a new hard drive.
And a 750w would not be recommended still for 280x in Crossfire, as they will get up and over 600w at full load. That's not ideal long-term. And I'll repeat myself, this isn't an issue anyway, as this is a mini-ITX build.
OP, something like this would be more balanced, and give you better CPU performance:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€169.54 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (€99.90 @ Caseking)
Memory: Avexir Standard Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (€254.90 @ Caseking)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case (€72.67 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€69.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €796.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-29 22:17 CEST+0200)
The 120GB SSD sounds small, but it had to be to fit the budget
lol I have a 128GB SSD, have Windows 8.1, all my programs, and 3 games on it at a time with around 30GB of free space right now. -
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mavanmanen
April 29, 2014 1:38:24 PM
mavanmanen
April 29, 2014 1:46:28 PM
HiTechObsessed said:
mamamia13 said:
First of all, I've never heard of an imac shipping with a hard drive blow 500GB. Also, I was getting a little overdramatic with the CX series, i'm sorry about that. And I forgot my numbers on the GPU side. I was going to say 750W. OP: will you be crossfiring> Because if you are, you need at least a 750W psuWhether or not you've heard of something doesn't mean it's not true. She got it refurbished that came with a new hard drive.
And a 750w would not be recommended still for 280x in Crossfire, as they will get up and over 600w at full load. That's not ideal long-term. And I'll repeat myself, this isn't an issue anyway, as this is a mini-ITX build.
OP, something like this would be more balanced, and give you better CPU performance:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€169.54 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (€99.90 @ Caseking)
Memory: Avexir Standard Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (€254.90 @ Caseking)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case (€72.67 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€69.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €796.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-29 22:17 CEST+0200)
The 120GB SSD sounds small, but it had to be to fit the budget
lol I have a 128GB SSD, have Windows 8.1, all my programs, and 3 games on it at a time with around 30GB of free space right now.I have checked with local suppliers and came out at € 858,63 (You forgot the cooler and I will need that 250GB)
€58,63 is not a big blow to my budget if it means it won't function properly otherwise, thanks for your help.
EDIT: I also might switch to a 4670k as I might overlock in the future.
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mavanmanen
April 29, 2014 1:57:26 PM
HiTechObsessed said:
Sounds good
If you can do the Intel route you'll be very happy when doing multiplayer gaming
Enjoy your build, going to give you great performance for a good amount of time.Hmm, I forgot, won't overclocking with an intel require a different chipset?
Which would mean an more expensive motherboard.
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Yes, you would need a Z87 chipset. If this is mainly a gaming build, there really isn't a need to overclock, as even a good mid-range overclock only nets you 5-10% increase in performance at the most, since the i5-4570 is already very powerful.
The Z87 version of that Gigabyte board is only a few euros more, and the 4670k is only a little more expensive as well, if that is the direction you do want to go.
The Z87 version of that Gigabyte board is only a few euros more, and the 4670k is only a little more expensive as well, if that is the direction you do want to go.
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