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Haswell, Ivy Bridge, the future of LGA-2011 and my upgrade

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May 1, 2014 4:12:27 PM

There is definitely not a shortage of forums debating the future of and I don't really want to get into that so much outside of a computer upgrade.. I have been building AMD computers since the K7 line. I don't regret most of my choices with AMD. Until recently, they have always been solid price to performance processors. However, after Bulldozer and Piledriver's miserable failure at even being able to put a dent into Intel's enthusiast market, I am done. I am turning my FX system into a fileserver, throwing Linux on it, and loading it with drives for storage.

With that being said, I am in the market of a new board/cpu. Obviously being a gamer mostly, I am interested in making the switch back to Intel after all these years. Let's face it, if you game, you want performance, so you go with Intel. Doing my research into Intel, the two obvious choices are LGA-2011 and LGA-1150. I read enough about the Ivy Bridge-E to know that that is probably where I want to go. However, two things are *really* nagging me about going this route:

1) What really is the future of Ivy Bridge and LGA-2011? Anyone with some serious insight would really be helpful.. I mean, with Haswell out, and talks of Haswell-E coming out (http://www.hitechreview.com/it-products/pc/intel-descri...) and the whole X99 chipset.. if I buy into an LGA-2011 board now, will I just have to buy another board to support X99/Haswell-E??? I am assuming the answer to that question is sadly, yes... so if that is the case, why don't I just go with Haswell now, save the money until Haswell-E and X99 chipset is released?? Along these lines, one thing I do is SLI (dual). Haswell and the limited PCI-E lanes means I cannot run my two GTX 770 in 16x (I assume I read this correct regarding Haswell and PCI-E lane restrictions), what kind of performance dip would I see using two higher end video cards in a dual 8x mode??

2) I understand that part one was long, and was riddled with multiple parts to it so I will keep this short.. the other thing nagging me is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This system board, albeit belongs in the Haswell line, is pretty freaking b.a. That being said, if someone here knows that buying into the Ivy Bridge-E line now, even though the X99 chipset will bring about a brand new architecture for the LGA-2011 socket, what similar system board would you suggest..

I do apologize for this, I know it was long and even though my system hardware knowledge is pretty vast, I have not been an "intel guy" for many, many years and their sockets, chipsets, and processor families are all relatively new to me.. I want to buy into something that is going to give me the performance I want as a game, and won't make me cringe when something better comes out. The worst feeling is dumping a lot of money on computer parts only to have a whole new line of hardware come out that is way better than what you just bought.... we can probably all agree that this is the worst feeling in the world!
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May 1, 2014 4:33:08 PM

1) yes. you'll need a new board to support haswell-e. as your x89 board will not be compatible with a haswell-e.

1b) there will be zero droppoff in x8 mode. the list of graphic cards bottlenecked by pci-e 2.0 x8 is very small... mostly limited to gtx 780/780ti, titan, r9-290/290x, the 7990, the 690, and the r9-295x2... and none of them are bottlenecked by more then 5% on a pci-e 2.0x8 connection.

2) there are dozens of amazing lga 2011 motherboards, with more features, or at least better then that gigabyte. There are plenty of lga 1150 boards better then that gigabyte as well.

Some info for you -

The only reason to go ib-e would be to get MOAR CORZ. in actuality, IB-E isn't actually faster per clock then IB and it's actually slower then Haswell (very slightly slower)... it will overclock better, and it's not saddled with a useless igpu, but we're not talking about there being a world of difference between ib-e and haswell or even ib before it. Furthermore, the intel archetecture has "other" bottlenecks, so the additional memory channels in the extreme edition chips and motherboards doesn't actually show ANY measurable improvement in performance.

Combine these points together and the only reason to go with an extreme edition chip is to get MOAR CORZ. Currently intel charges $600 for it's cheapest extreme edition 6 core... with haswell-e they will be releasing a 8 core chip... there is no word on pricing but i doubt we'll see it cheaper then $800

So... you probably can save yourself a fortune and get yourself a haswell i7... an asus ROG motherboard, and overclock the heck out of it, and be able to game just as good as you could with an ivybridge-e chip. (BTW: there is no upgrade path for lga 1150 either... when broadwell comes out, it will be on the lga platform, BUT it won't work with current LGA 1150 motherboards, so don't make this purchase expecting longevity or an upgrade path)

If you need more cores for some reason, wait till haswell-e comes out and get yourself an 8 core.
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May 1, 2014 4:38:55 PM

+1 with ingtar33 that's exactly what I was going to say.
I'm just going to add that for gaming you wont need the "MOAR CORZ" unless you do alot of video editing or the like even then you really need to go for the higher end extreme CPU's as the 4770K is nearly identical in performance to the lower end ones.

If you do the high end 1150 path get a 4770K and a Maximus VI Extreme you won't disappointed.
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May 1, 2014 4:47:53 PM

Definitely wasn't buying into the whole Ivy Bridge for cores. I would go with a quad core processor if I went that route anyway. I have an eight core FX to turn into a file server, no need for another six or eight core processor. My *biggest* issue was with PCI-E lanes and performance. However, it seems like the consensus now is, the difference between a 16X/16X SLI or a 16X/8X SLI are not noticeable. That, and when Haswell-E comes out, I would have to re-upgrade again anyway, sort of cements my decision to go with a Haswell now (I did see that they benched better in most categories then the equivalent IB-E processor), and then suck it up and upgrade later to a Haswell-E, assuming of course the upgrade performance is worth it. Either way, I think I will be happy going from AMD FX to Intel as far as performance and gaming are concerned..

On another note, though I understand that Asus is kind of the "premier" company when it comes to gaming and system boards (or almost any hardware component), I have had bad luck with Asus and swore them off years ago. Two bad Asus ROG system boards in a row..... granted, they were for AMD, but still.. I have had nothing but bad luck with the Asus and hardware..

At any rate, I do appreciate the time addressing this area.. sadly, I have not kept up with Intel for years, and it is easy to get lost with all those chipsets and sockets they have..
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May 9, 2014 11:47:43 PM

So, status update:

Got the i7 4770K, the Gigabyte Z87X-OC-Force (sorry, I just can't bring myself to buying Asus ever again..) and upgraded my Radeon 7970 to a GTX 780 Ti. This is coming from a long time AMD user, specifically the latest 8350. All I can say is, the difference is night and day.. Holy hell, Planetside 2 is actually PLAYABLE?! WHAT?! And the PhysX..... My only regret is not making the switch to Intel a long time ago.. sadly, I don't see AMD getting their heads out of their butts anytime soon, and that's really sad because I prefer competition to keep prices manageable. However, Haswell does NOT disappoint.. I can't wait to see what direction Haswell-E is going to go!

Case in point: for anyone thinking about going Haswell, it has my approval. All of my frames are solid at 1080p.
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May 10, 2014 4:00:00 PM

reagansmash said:
So, status update:

Got the i7 4770K, the Gigabyte Z87X-OC-Force (sorry, I just can't bring myself to buying Asus ever again..) and upgraded my Radeon 7970 to a GTX 780 Ti. This is coming from a long time AMD user, specifically the latest 8350. All I can say is, the difference is night and day.. Holy hell, Planetside 2 is actually PLAYABLE?! WHAT?! And the PhysX..... My only regret is not making the switch to Intel a long time ago.. sadly, I don't see AMD getting their heads out of their butts anytime soon, and that's really sad because I prefer competition to keep prices manageable. However, Haswell does NOT disappoint.. I can't wait to see what direction Haswell-E is going to go!

Case in point: for anyone thinking about going Haswell, it has my approval. All of my frames are solid at 1080p.


I'm glad you're happy and it's working great for you! Love these updates, definitely good news.

As for jumping from an fx8350 to an i7, I can imagine... especially in a MMO like planetside (almost all MMOs are single or dual threaded ventures) would be a vastly improved experience on an Intel.
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