Seeking a new Desktop

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Hello!

I'm looking to buy a new desktop or AIO in the next few weeks. I've been shopping Cyberpower for the last week or so trying some various configurations along with checking newegg, bestbuy and various maker's websites. I have a budget of around $1700.

The things I plan to do on it are:

boring word processing, music, videos movies that anything could handle.

playing games like Sims 3, Dawn of Discovery, Sim City, Skyrim and some older titles. I'll be playing at 1920x1080 and soon after 2560x1440 once I convince my wife to let me get that monitor as well.

Basically I'm trying to find out if Lenovo's A730 or A740 will have enough power to play those games at high settings (I don't need AA, I can never even notice it) or whether I'd be better suited to a tower.

I Love poking windows 8 with a touchscreen, so the main hit against a tower is that a touch WQXGA screen is around $900, which I won't be able to get so I'd have to get a non-touch version.

I also want an SSD. I'd like to replace the internal drive of the Lenovo's with a 500GB-1TB SSD or just get that in the tower to start off with.

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
 
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Building is easy, you just need to take your time and enjoy it :) CareyHolzman and LinusTechTips have some great, step-by-step videos of the entire build process, and explain everything.

For RTS style games, Intel would be the way to go, as you'll want the individual thread performance. This also gets you the 1440p screen, with a graphics card that will max all the games you listed at that resolution. Like I said earlier, the problem with the AIO side of things, is you get laptop-style performance, which at 1440p will definitely hinder gaming.

There is a lot you can take out to still get the same performance, too. But this below is a good solid build that will be great for you for a very long time.

PCPartPicker part list /...
The problem with AIOs is they use laptop-based parts. So, you can get the same performance for much cheaper from a dedicated tower-style desktop.

I wouldn't recommend that large of an SSD, it's just not worth it yet (especially if money is an issue). The best thing to do is to get a 120-256GB SSD and use that for Windows, all your programs, games, etc, and use a large platter-based HDD for storage.

For an AIO, you're looking at maxing out your budget to get good quality gaming performance, whereas with a self-built tower, you can get the same performance for closer to $800.

And don't be scared to build your own, it's very easy these days, if you can find a couple hours on a weekend to put everything together :)
 

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Sorry guys! I did not see the format requested before. it follows.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 3 weeks. If it's a custom order maybe a little sooner so it can be built.

Budget Range: I'd like to spend less than $1750 including shipping. There are no taxes where I live, NH FTW!

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (Skyrim, Sims 3, Anno, AOE, maybe Bioshock, mostly RTS games though)

Are you buying a monitor: I have a 22" touch with 1080p. It's average at best (cheap screen quality). I'd adore a new 27" WQXGA screen, and will buy one if not included in the tower in the months after buying it. but an AIO gets a bonus from me for including one.

Parts to Upgrade: I'll only be reusing a laptop HDD that's in an external case. I haven't used a desktop since 2004 and don't think the DDR ram from that will be helpful at all. I'd like to have 2133 MHz RAM, as I imagine the faster the RAM the faster the whole thing can be. I also want it to use an SSD for the OS and applications, so I'd need at least 500GB or so (Sims 3 takes up around 50GB) and then my music and photos and video can be stores on my external HDD.

Do you need to buy OS: Well I hope not. It needs to have windows 8 on it already, I do not have a copy to install myself.
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, Best Buy, CyberPower, TigerDirect. What's recommended?

Location: New Hampshire. I'm in Korea right now moving back to NH in 2 weeks.

Parts Preferences: For one reason or another I tend to prefer AMD / ATI (It should still be called that!) over Intel and Nvidia. I know AMD's processor are generally slower and hotter though. So an i7 or i5 would be fine. So would Nvidia. I really don't care much, just a minor preference.

Overclocking: I won't do it myself, I don't know how. But if Cyberpower or somebody else has the option for it, maybe mildly. I don't want to risk damaging it from it running too hot.

SLI or Crossfire: No, seems like there's more headache involved in that than it's worth.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 going to 2650x1440. I'll only consider 27" AIOs. Maybe like the 27" MSI gaming one, Asus's 27" (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220371) or Lenovo's A730 / A740. The A740 isn't out yet, probably in the next couple weeks.

Additional Comments: I know that my games are pretty minor. It's actually bothersome because really only Skyrim needs a graphics card, although maybe the others do at the high resolution. But mostly I won't be gaming too much, but I want the ability to do so well when I do. I don't generally notice much over 30 FPS though. If you folks think that the GT745M or the GTX850M (what is expected in the A740) can handle Skyrim at the high resolutions while looking good then I'll get it and up it's RAM and give it an SSD. I don't think I really need an i7-4770k, and the i7-4700MQ should be plenty for what I generally do. My old Toshiba (first gen i7 Nvidia GTS360M) played almost all of my games fine before it derpped out.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My Vaio E14 started restarting every 5 mintes and Sony decided that I didn't deserve my warranty. So I started using my old Toshiba X505 Qosmio, which is now using it's HDD 100% almost all the time and is being so slow. It can't run any games anymore and is having a difficult time with iTunes or browsing the web. I'm using my wife's i3 ULV and my Surface RT now as my main computers. They have hard times with basic tasks...
 

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I'm just worried about building my own for finding all the drivers for every part and I'm sure I'd forget some. Plus, I'm not sure about all the various connectors.

What processor / graphics card do you recommend for my games? I'm just really not sure what is needed for them..
 
Building is easy, you just need to take your time and enjoy it :) CareyHolzman and LinusTechTips have some great, step-by-step videos of the entire build process, and explain everything.

For RTS style games, Intel would be the way to go, as you'll want the individual thread performance. This also gets you the 1440p screen, with a graphics card that will max all the games you listed at that resolution. Like I said earlier, the problem with the AIO side of things, is you get laptop-style performance, which at 1440p will definitely hinder gaming.

There is a lot you can take out to still get the same performance, too. But this below is a good solid build that will be great for you for a very long time.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($192.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Alpine 11 GT Rev. 2 28.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($11.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H87M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($297.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Acer K272HULbmiidp 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1297.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-02 14:37 EDT-0400)


Edit: And just to add, at 1080p, the 280x is definitely not needed for what you'll be doing. The 270x, which is $100 cheaper, would give you max graphics performance for those games easily.
 
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