After big research i cant find nothing !!!

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

I have made a lot of research about amd fx-8350 and i5-4670k but i still cant understand which is better for gaming...it is said that the new games are about to use multi-core...that means that 8350 is going to be one of the best cpus for gaming??? the new broadwell?? HELP MEEEE !!!!

enemy1g · May 5, 2014

Do you have a lot of money? ~1K is a good spot to start with. If yes, go with Intel, if no go with AMD.

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

i have made a lot of builds, both with intel and amd (the previous) but i am not sure...the difference (in money) is about max 80euros

Daniel Sudakov · May 5, 2014

The i5 beats the 8350.

Core to core, the 8350 will lose some FPS, but not much. But the fastest, and strongest CPU is the i5. I wouldn't wait for the next gen of intel, because they're only bring out 10 new haswell add ons to the list.

It also depends on your budget, and if you want to overclock your CPU in the future. The 8350 isn't really a "8 core" CPU. It's pretty much 4 module cores, with 2 threads in 1 core. So really, games won't take advantage of multi cores cpus just yet.

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

I know i know...1st of all the build is going to be ready in about a month cause i have exams 2nd i would like to wait and see the 5th gen ! What about 8350 in the future games ?? I have read that amd is better in multi-coring/tasking

enemy1g · May 5, 2014

The 8350 is generally better at multi-tasking, but that isn't to say that the i5 isn't. I can have three games running, with firefox in the background streaming twitch and still have no issues.

By the time games fully utilize the 8350, there will be plenty of current gen CPUs offered by Intel that will vastly out perform a 8350. AMD has backed out of the high end CPU game, and is focusing on their APUs. If you like dead-end sockets, I'd go with AMD.

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

so i think from i5 and more intel is better ???

Daniel Sudakov · May 5, 2014

Loulis Feminatus :

Yeah, in OpenCL programs, editing projects, rendering and workstations lol. They're good with multitasking, but do you actually need that lol? Again, games don't need a lot of resources to run, they normally take 2 cores at the most to run. And it'll takes years and years before games will actually start taking more power to run. The i5 itself can handle multitasking, so don't worry. Unless you want wait a extra year in the spring - summer of 2015 for the next gen, that's up to you. Again, games won't take advantage of multi-core cpus, and even in future games, I would believe it'll still be the same.

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

but i saw that the future games are going to use more cores and from 34-bit they will go to 64-bit...I DONT KNOW

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10313535_10202629698835934_2189898895339911115_n.jpg

check this out

Daniel Sudakov · May 5, 2014

Loulis Feminatus :

That's not going to be for gaming thou.

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

yeah i know, i wanted to show you what i found

Daniel Sudakov · May 5, 2014

But your concern is if games in the future are going to use more then 4 cores. My answer is no. It'll take years for them to actually start tapping on more resources. The only thing you want to worry about is your choice of graphics cards.

Loulis Feminatus · May 5, 2014

OK thank you very much...goodnight we had a very good conversation

bmacsys · May 5, 2014

You can't go wrong either way. But........ if you do get an 8350 buy the best motherboard you can afford. It will have thermal throttling issues with a cheap board.

Loulis Feminatus · May 6, 2014

so i think i ll go with the i5, is abou 80euros max

revanchrist · May 6, 2014

enemy1g :

Excuse me, dead-end sockets? Intel's Haswell and the upcoming Broadwell use socket LGA 1150 and next year's Skylake use LGA 1151. Now do you care to explain what do you mean by dead end when Intel is replacing different socket every 2 years or so? Whether you're on AMD or Intel camp there's no way you are going to be able to buy a new latest CPU that's going to use the same motherboard you are using two years later.

P/S: And not to mention Broadwell is not going to support Haswell's Z87 and H87 motherboard although they are both on the very same socket.

enemy1g · May 6, 2014

I have the option in 2 years to upgrade. You won't with your AMD CPU.

Have fun with your APUs.

revanchrist · May 6, 2014

enemy1g :

I see, so now you are trying to go personal instead of staying on the topic. Unforetunately i'm very happy with my current rig with a i5-4670k + r9 270x. It's just that i can't stand people spreading wrong information to mislead people. I can now see that you are a fan of Intel but still you shouldn't make false accusation on AMD.

Heroesneverquit · May 6, 2014

Alright so a year ago I had to make a similar decision although I went AMD.

The AMD vs Intel at a 1k price point is... muddy.

Upgrades are also a silly argument. In general when my computer goes bad or can't run the newest. I will build a new one rather then upgrading. You say have fun with your dead end socket. Whats to say the LGA 1150 does not get replaced in a year or two. The issue is when you are at a 1k price point. You will be able to play anything for the next 4-5 years. You really can not buy based on whether or not you think a socket will be gone.

Now though the FX line we know will be going away and AMD will focus on their APU's. Thats not something to take in to consideration though. Whos to say next year they dont head on back to the FX side with the new core config from there APU's? Or just decide its worth going back to FX's. Not only that the AMD APU's Kick intels ass at the same price point. Whos to say they dont start conquering the consumer market and intel becoming more of an enthusiast market brand?

TL;DR Never look into the future for your build. Do not bother thinking of upgrades based on whether or not a socket will go obsolete. Build for now when your making a 1k build. A 1k build is going to be good for at least 3 years but most likely 5 or more. You won't have to upgrade for that long and by then the socket you have regardless of company will probably be obsolete. If you were doing a budget build then it would be a different story.

enemy1g · May 6, 2014

revanchrist :

Actually until otherwised stated by AMD, they won't have any option in the CPU market. APU =/= CPU. Mantle? DirectX and OpenGL are both going in that direction as well. Not to mention not every game developer will adopt Mantle. When 2016 arrives, and AMD is still focusing on their APUs (again, until otherwise stated), and consoles/whatnot, and all AMD really has to compete with Intel's new i5-6790k (or whatever it will be) is still, the 8350, which is an already old socket. New tech is always around the corner, and I'm willing to bet that AMD will bank on APUs doing great with DDR4. Which at this point is anybody's guess.

I shouldn't have said dead-end socket, as the 1150 socket (Haswell) is also dead-end. I should have phrased it as, dead-end CPU. As you literally have no AMD CPU in the foreseeable future. Unless you actually like the idea of APUs, DDR4, and a crossfired r7/9. But such rig would not meet the needs of the higher end consumer. So sure, if you're not one of the "enthusiasts", then that rig might be for you. And even if AMD decided to throw it's hat back into the CPU market next year, it's not going to magically come out the same year, perhaps not even the following. You realize these things take time to create, right? On top of everything else they've got going as well. AMD has shifted towards consoles and very entry level PC gamers. Intel will still reign supreme for those that can afford it.

And as it is, the i5 is already superior to the 8350 in a vast majority of ways. Most people that switch have nothing but praise for the i5, and wouldn't even touch an AMD CPU. So when building a build for the now, why would you go with AMD when Intel does it so much better?

Daniel Sudakov · May 6, 2014

You guys have gone off topic.

But yes, I do recommend the i5 4670k if you have the money. I would say the amount of money you'll have to spend extra is worth it. Again, don't worry about how much cores games will take. In 2-3-4-5-6 years, I still believe games won't even touch the rest of the CPU. But that amount of years, you'll be prolly build a new PC with better tech.

Your main focus on a gaming PC is your Graphics card.

But here's another thing to take into account, the fx is 80 euros cheaper, 80 euros you can put into your graphics card. What's the list in your build? What GPU are you getting?

logainofhades · May 6, 2014

revanchrist :

AM3+ is a dead socket and Kaveri was a joke. There is no false info there. AMD isn't releasing a high end desktop chip till, at least, Excavator, which is 2015. Excavator, from what I have understood, will be a new socket and possibly ddr4. Buying an FX 8350, you already are getting the best you really are going to get from AM3+. FX 9xxx are a total waste of $$$. FX 8320/8350 are decent chips, but the platform is a dead end. I have 2, FX 8320's myself. I really couldn't turn down Microcenter's $100 deal on them.

Loulis Feminatus · May 6, 2014

I have came up with gtx770....what do you think?

logainofhades · May 6, 2014

GTX 770 is fine, R9 280x is also good. Get whichever one costs less, as they are both quite close in performance. I would probably lean more towards the 280x, if the price is the same, due to the 3gb ram. Some games, like heavily modded skyrim, can eat up that 2gb of the GTX 770 quickly.

Loulis Feminatus · May 6, 2014

I will have a research! Thank you!

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