OLD PC: Maximum GPU for Asus IPIBL-LA and Intel Q6600

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I seek advice. I have read - exhaustively - here and elsewhere and can't seem to find what I want to know: what practical limits is the rest of my hardware (detailed below) going to impose on my eventual GPU choice?

I beseech you to push through/skip to the bottom, to see how this question fits into a larger plan.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Immediately

BUDGET RANGE: sub-$180

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Limited gaming and general computing. I am currently able to play World of Tanks at the minimum settings only while maintaining anything close to "playable" (15-30) fps rates (I have since come to find out that the community consensus places the "playability" threshold significantly higher than I do, with 30 generally considered the floor).

CURRENT GPU Current GPU is garbage: Geforce 7300 LE. This was an uber-cheap replacement for when a surge killed the original PSU and the standard GeForce 8400GS

Current PSU is an inexpensive 300W, which replaced the stock 300W. I will likely upgrade to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438016&ignorebbr=1

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS:

System: HP Pavilion Elite m9040n

Mobo: Asus IPIBL-LA Intel G33 (HP calls it "Berkeley") (specs: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01077641&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en#N107)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (Socket 775 - Kentsfield)

3GB RAM - the original stock PC2-5300 MB/sec. Board is dual-channel, has four 240-pin DDR2 slots - will take DDR2-667 or DDR2-800, non-ECC, unbuffered DIMMs.

HDD: stock, way too much room for my needs, and (thankfully) 7200 rpm.

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 (32 Bit)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I like the look/feel of newegg, and have been pleased with prior purchase there. The same is true for Tiger Direct. I also am an Amazon Prime member, so something there could be ideal.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Southeastern US

PARTS PREFERENCES: I've always had NVIDIA, because I'm under the impression they pair better with Intel CPUs and chipsets, but I could also be a moron. When it comes to pairings, I like uniformity. It might be grossly misguided to assume, for example, that my Intel CPU/chipset (G33) and Asus motherboard have strong preferences, yet my knee-jerk is to look for an Asus-made card with an NVidia chipset...

OVERCLOCKING: NO - OEM (hp) version of Mobo = locked BIOS

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: nope - just one PCIex16 slot

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Samsung SyncMaster 17", 1280x1024 native

Really, the most this will be used for (before moving on to an entirely different system) is World of Tanks and possibly Diablo III. I was tempted to go the new system route, but every builder I looked at (I won't go big-box/big-name again, the only truly rock-solid system I've ever had is a still-in-office-use Alienware SFF on a Shuttle chassis I bought almost a decade ago) from Puget to Falcon Northwest, Velocity Micro, etc. want $1,500 to $2,000 for a system I feel is strong/upgradable enough to justify the investment.

As it is, I look at the graphics card (and potential PSU) upgrade as step 1.

Step 2 would be a small SSD carrying a new OS (Win 7 Pro or Win 8 Pro). If there was ANY life left in the system at that point, I would look into the advantages of moving to the 8GB maximum for RAM.

Step 3 would be to migrate the new PSU (if it's called for as part of the GPU upgrade), the new GPU (if I can upgrade now to something that would be worthwhile to move to a new build), and the SSD/OS to a new case with new Mobo (Z87), CPU (Haswell i5), and RAM.

I have seen people say that the stock PSU - well, one around 300W anyway - will run something as far up the chain from where I am as a GTX 750 Ti, but given the number of years between my Mobo's premier and this card's, I'm assuming there is some other incompatibility/bottleneck in the Mobo, or even the CPU (I am aware of the fact that many games could give a damn about the four cores, and will only use two and care a great deal more about the relatively low frequency (2.4 ghz).

I have seen elsewhere that something like a GT 630 would be a good fit, if not the top end in terms of realizing an actual benefit here.

I am grateful for your time and consideration!

Best,

Patrick
 
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The Devil is in the detail!
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A, Yes, good idea for the future, the little Syncmaster isn't going to last forever.
B, AFAIK the GTX750 doesn't support SLI, later versions might but the cards we can purchase now do not, so SLI is not an option.
C, No, AFAIK makers purchase parts in bulk and may use different memory chips for different production runs.
D, If a 6 pin is available you'll HAVE to use it, the card will throw up an error if it's not connected and its presence usually means the maker has already overclocked the card, causing it to draw more than the 75W available through the PCI-E slot and further overclocking will only increase the power draw further.

2: The little rosewill will easily run a non overclocked i5/i7 and a...

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Wow. As i read this I realized that i had almost exactly the same computer specs. I know how you fell about 15-30 fps while playing WoT ;')... Back to the topic. I replaced my old 300w psu with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049 Belive me it is worth the money and corsair is a well known and good brand for psu-s. I would't recommend running gtx750ti on 300w psu. It will run but it will be smarter and safer going for new psu. Like you said - go for win 7 or win 8, vista is crap! And if you are willing to spend a bit more money go for new mobo and replace everything except hdd and case maybe..
 
There WERE issues years ago with certain chipset/GPU combinations that's long gone.
If you're staying with the SyncMaster a GTX750 should play even AAA titles well at that resolution, and WOT isn't that demanding on the GPU, or CPU for that matter.
There shouldn't be any problems with the MB/GPU compatibility.
I'd get a better 500Watt PSU along with the new GPU, not all the older PSU's fully support Haswells various power states, or match its other requirements.
Bear in mind OEM Windows can no longer be migrated to another system, either stay with Vista for now or go for the more expensive retail license.
Don't bother with more memory unless you can configure it is a RAMdisk, a 32 bit OS can only use 4Gb otherwise.
 

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Thank you all for your confirmation and advice!

If I may impose upon you a bit more....

1) I'll go with the GTX 750 Ti. By all accounts - including the outstanding ones on this site - it really is a heck of an advancement. In a very odd way, then, I'm rather glad that I put this off until now. It would have been really sad to settle on a solution, say, 6 months ago, and then be kicking myself just a few months later as "Maxwell" launched.

As to which one of the 750 Ti variants, I was hoping to confirm a few thoughts on maximizing its future utility:
a) I should make sure to get one with a "display port" output, yes?
b) These do NOT make use of SLI, so any thought of adding an identical card down the road for that purpose is dead in the water, right?
c) Is there an easy way - barring physical examination of a card - to determine the manufacturer of the GDDR5 modules? I noticed that reviews of some cards - here and elsewhere - make positive mention of the fact that their modules are from Samsung. I, too, would think of that as a great positive attribute, and would certainly seek out such a card if the information is easily-obtainable.
d) Some of the cards (not the reference model) have a 6-pin power connector.
i) with an eye to future use (perhaps even overclocking), I want one of these, don't I?
ii) is the use of said connector NECESSARY to use the card? That is, if I get one with the 6-pin, could I nonetheless leave it unused for now, with the card drawing its 60W from the PCIe itself? Or does its presence dictate that it is the only way the card will draw power? (This bears on how quickly I get a PSU and, more specifically, whether I need/want modularity).

2) Speaking of the power supply beyond modularity....
a) I'm a very barebones user. The ENTIRETY of data on my current system (see above) is < 100 GB, and even then there is crap on here from my wife, etc. The Mobo, CPU, and GPU will always be the only (I believe) serious power consumers in any system of mine (an SSD is next on the list of upgrades once the graphics business is sorted).
b) I'm in love with small form factor stuff. Any upgraded components I place into my current case will almost certainly find their home in something like the Silverstone FT03 (maybe even the mini).
c) given "a" and "b", plus what I assume will be a new era of efficiency in higher-end NVIDIA cards as Maxwell spreads up the product line, would I be well off enough with a 450W PSU? I'm looking specifically at the Rosewill Capstone modular 450W model, which has support for Haswell, SLI, etc. and is listed here at Toms as an absolute best-value among anything near the middle of the PSU market. It's also currently attractively-priced at NewEgg.

3) Totally new item: I spoke in my initial post about the second step being an SSD and a new OS (likely waiting for Win 8.1 to really settle in, or even for what has been rumored as a Win 9 launch already set within the next year or so). SSDs have come down in price dramatically since their launch, apparently while I wasn't paying attention, making the worse part of the SSD/OS combination - value-wise - the OS. So the line of questioning is thus:
a) would I see a performance bump of any kind by sticking with my current system (apart from the GPU and PSU) and OS (Vista 32-bit) but switching over to an SSD? Or is this precisely what you were saying my copy of Vista will NOT do, coozie7?
b) I've been reading since my original post and your replies - and this is likely a case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing, which is why I'm grateful for this place and you all - and I've come to wonder if I would see any gain/benefit from installing an SSD alongside my normal HDD to use exclusively for gaming, and running them via WINE and Linux Mint. I've always preferred a simple OS (I used XP on another machine until its dying day, and indeed still use it in the office for strictly-offline purposes), and am old enough to have learned some DOS, etc. The command prompt system doesn't scare me. LOL. Thoughts?
c) Given the other hardware involved, would such a move (to the SSD and a Linux 64-bit OS) make going from the current 4 GB (3GB recognized) of RAM to the available 8GB worthwhile? Further, would this be futile/wasteful in terms of future use, since the best RAM this Mobo will take is DDR2-800?

I'm sorry for going into such detail, which I'm sure seems like picking nits or swatting blindly at a pinata to the well-versed. However, money is always of importance, and by nature I just hate - even if it's free - anything not having a future use and/or being grossly more capable than the current task at hand demands.

Again, thank you ALL!

Best,

Patrick
 
The Devil is in the detail!
1:
A, Yes, good idea for the future, the little Syncmaster isn't going to last forever.
B, AFAIK the GTX750 doesn't support SLI, later versions might but the cards we can purchase now do not, so SLI is not an option.
C, No, AFAIK makers purchase parts in bulk and may use different memory chips for different production runs.
D, If a 6 pin is available you'll HAVE to use it, the card will throw up an error if it's not connected and its presence usually means the maker has already overclocked the card, causing it to draw more than the 75W available through the PCI-E slot and further overclocking will only increase the power draw further.

2: The little rosewill will easily run a non overclocked i5/i7 and a GTX750Ti, just plan ahead and make sure it'll fit into the SFF case you have in mind. and opting for modular will help the system internally, it's surprising how much effect a few wires can have on the cooling airflow.
If you're thinking as far ahead as I think you are, and are likely to be drawn further into the world of PC gaming I'd opt for 500W, it'll give the system a bit more elbow room to grow, and allow for an overclocked CPU as well.

3:
Not really a performance boost, an SSD will not make games run faster, nor speed up spreadsheet calculations what it will do is make loading/saving or switching applications much, much faster. Some users swear by them, others see little point but they DO make the system feel more responsive and snappier.
If you're using the HP Vista licence it's possible you can move it to a SSD but it will not transfer to the Haswell upgrade, that copy will be locked to the current CPU/motherboard. Sorry, new CPU/MB, new OS.
Personally. I'd either dual boot the current HDD (Format and repartition the drive and put Vista on one partition and Linux on another) or just stick as you are and leave the SSD for the Big Upgrade later.
The RAM issue is a little contentious at times but I've taken a 4Gb module out of my system and had a play and not even heavy AAA titles seem to suffer too much from losing 4Gb of memory so unless you're doing memory hungry tasks like video editing or Photoshoping multiple large images 4Gb is probably enough.
And as I said, unless you configure the extra 4Gb as a RAMdisc 4Gb is as much as 32 bit Vista can handle anyway.
 
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Sorry to bring up an old thread, but may I ask what video card you ended up with? I have the same MB, my video card has just gone out and I'm looking for a replacement.
Currently have a GT8500 Asus card.
I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to use a PCI-E 3.0 card with this MB, and it looks like you were headed that direction.
Thanks!