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old rig + 750 ti + wow! But whys this happ?

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May 13, 2014 4:16:22 PM

I have a hp pavilion from 2004, with a stock AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5000+ on a HP A8M2N-LA. The PSU is from 2004 thermaltake 700 watt. Vista 32 bit. 3gb ram, one slot wont work with so only 3 out of 4 fill w 1 gb sticks.

Upgraded card from Geforce gt 200 ]

It works great graphically on games skyrim,outland,metro, many others on high settings. But, the PROBLEM is I have to unplug everything else for I to work, and I mean ps/2 keyboard, usb mouse, dvd burner and there is no other usb plugged in at time of use. That is w out boosters or overclocking. Can someone please tell me is it my CPI, MB or PSU or can I Set the psu a way to give more amps to mb? It was 300 + dollars in 2004, shocked its the issue I cant afford a new system and need the cheapest sollution, or ill send the card back which i got for 140.00 please help!

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May 13, 2014 4:21:01 PM

what specific PS is it?

also, after 10years hardware goes bad. especially PS/HD/ram.......... or in your case the mobo if the slot is bad........... unless you checked your "bad" ram in another slot to see if it works.
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May 13, 2014 4:23:48 PM

Could be that the motherboard is not capable of supplying enough power to the components to run that card. Nothing can really be done. A clean format may help if it's driver related, and verify you have the latest bios.
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May 13, 2014 4:41:47 PM

I upgraded the bios from hp website, it is deff an issue w power distribution, I recently reformatted and reinstalled OS. I still have stick of ram in bad slot, I did the switch ram sticks to another ram slot test.* The sticks passed one slot is dead or not working. *

The card is great and makes this old rig play like a new mid level w just 3 gb ram, I will look at psu model in the next hr. There may be a way to channel more amps from psu im hoping or watts to the card. on a budget what would you recommend I do guys?
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May 14, 2014 8:05:45 PM

might be one of those rare occasions where the cpu doesn't support the pci-e bus ( 3.0 )
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May 14, 2014 8:27:16 PM

No. Its just the mobo is old
HP pavion mobo are generaly solid. Really solid in my case. (my is made by foxconn which makes parts for apple)
But it doesnt have all the features mobos nowdays have.
Its pretty much designed to never be upgraded.
So buggs happens and u gotta live with it :( 
Its NOT the psu. although Thermaltake psu are horrible, 700w is overkill.
And no, u cant controll psu output cause bios is locked
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May 14, 2014 9:52:26 PM

I would try another PSU before spending anymore money so maybe hit up a friend to borrow or buy one from a place that has a good return policy if you have the same issue you can return it. Although your PSU is powerful it is also really old.
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May 16, 2014 4:48:57 PM

you'll need new ram also. got some kind of budget? but try a ps first.
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May 16, 2014 4:11:39 PM

I love the psu design recommended by swifty, so I will be seeing if frys electronics here in AZ has it. Also I am looking into a motherboard and cpu set, I like to game with one gpu and in future may add another what is a strong yet affordable board? And, do I go AMD or INTEL?
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May 18, 2014 4:10:00 PM

What do I need to make sure the psu has as features? I am going into a electronic store here in town. What specs am I looking for exactly?
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May 18, 2014 4:15:18 PM

They do not have that brand but have the other brands that are trusted.
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May 18, 2014 4:45:29 PM

try and get something with around 40amps on the 12v rails. enough connectors for what you need and a couple of 6+2 pci-e wires so you have something to bring to your next build.

seasonic/fps group/silverstone/sparkle... be selective/xfx had some decent ones....... don't get corsair cx label.

why not mail order the one listed above?
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May 23, 2014 4:41:49 PM

I was getting ready to go and get one of those PSU's and all of the sudden I got everything to work, onboard audio, ps2 keyboard and usb mouse, the 360 gamepad, and I transferred 25 gbs data to the external hard drive w all else plugged in. It worked and all usb ports worked with the 750 ti! THEN it restarted. And, again only the usb mouse on front panel work, plug anything else in to a usb, it makes the sound, but nothing loads or works, xbox light goes round and round on controller instead of staying solid.

How I got it to work: I was uninstalling drivers in device manager and restarting. Something I didn't that I cant seem to do again fixed it long enough to play games for days, before the dreaded restart. Also, ran various driver update programs to make sure all is up to date and it is, I have cross checked.

While it may be PSU, or MB, or both, I am the type that once I see there is life left I don't want to move on just yet. I played strenuous games for days and had no keyboard or mouse or gamepad issue. I transferred all that data and checked it, no issues. So now I ask those with greater knowledge to help me once again in diagnosing the driver/usb controller/ whatever is in device manager that could fix it all til reboot.?
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May 23, 2014 4:45:03 PM

Also, in vista 32 bit how do I take all the memory from past devices and wipe it? I need to start fresh and I think the usb ports are confused and overwhelmed with phones, tablets, gamepads, mouse, and hard drives.
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May 23, 2014 9:42:13 PM

almost out of possibilities. pull everything from case and try running while it's isolated from the case.
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May 24, 2014 6:43:51 AM

swifty_morgan said:
almost out of possibilities. pull everything from case and try running while it's isolated from the case.


It's just the motherboard. It's not designed for gaming.
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May 28, 2014 2:00:04 PM

It does currently play current games, that is invalid. I had the gamepad and all other usb's working again last night for hours. I uninstall all usb devices in dev man and it works but thinks the 360 gamepad is a mass storage device.? and it works , so the usb ports are confused.
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May 30, 2014 9:13:51 AM

mack84 said:
It does currently play current games, that is invalid. I had the gamepad and all other usb's working again last night for hours. I uninstall all usb devices in dev man and it works but thinks the 360 gamepad is a mass storage device.? and it works , so the usb ports are confused.


You can drive a Ford Focus around a track, does that make it a race car?

360 Controllers are not mass storage. Should show as a 360 Controller.

The HP workstations are not designed for gmaing, they are designed for being a workstation. Replacing components won't always work out for you, since the motherboard's BIOS is restricted and programmed specifically for that board.
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June 17, 2014 1:16:09 AM

you cannot tell me a reason I am able to play half the time on high specs? sometimes not other times I play on HIGH settings. For many hours it works fine, the some days wont read the controller but I can play w a mouse on high settings. I want to play w gamepad, duh it should say 360 gamepad. Can you tell me how a vista machine could get that confused. I play tropico 5 on high w mouse do you get that? so it plays new games, why the usb controller would thin its a damn usb storage device hmmm?
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June 18, 2014 4:01:39 PM

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Also, in vista 32 bit how do I take all the memory from past devices and wipe it? I need to start fresh and I think the usb ports are confused and overwhelmed with phones, tablets, gamepads, mouse, and hard drives.


You are using ancient technology. Don't except great results. You can look into firmware updates, bios updates, etc for the motherboard, but it's time to ditch the computer and stop beating a dead horse.
It's time is gone.

You are spending more time trying to make it work vs. just having a computer that works fine.
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June 18, 2014 11:32:12 PM

This computer would be a good replacement:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

an i3 tower with 8.1 for $420 and will work amazing with your 750ti. I can understand you wanting to fix what you have as well we are just concerned with CPU bottleneck plus the current problems you are having. Getting the i3 will open you up to faster GPU's when you feel your 750ti isn't cutting it.
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June 21, 2014 7:05:28 AM

It's a work station tower. It's design to be used in an office, and restricted from people configuring it. It's not supposed to run games. On top of that, it's really old, it's using the worst Windows operating system (besides Millennium) and it's only 32 bit, which means it's not using most of your videocard VRAM.

If you are in an office, and you don't want people reconfiguring your workstations, HP's are great.
But for gaming use, you need to replace it with a computer that is designed for gaming. Stop throwing money away on that computer and start saving for a new one.
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June 21, 2014 7:13:59 AM

some models of store bought computers [dell.hp,acer,ect..] may come with a ''locked'' bios and may not allow you to change certain hardware as a video card.. this is done to protect them from undue warranty claims and refunds .this is not done to hurt you but to protect them. you really need to see if that upgrade has been proven to work in your model first before you invest money in it .. there are a lot of these threads here at toms to look at some models will allow upgrades and some dont.. and a lot of guys here say ya ya ya when is really no no no...it would be sad you spent $200 on a card that wount post after you installed it as most find out. then get told its your psu and you spend more and end up right back where you are now, but its up to you good luck..


you got to know the the boards in these computers are not like the ones we use to do custom builds witch are open to upgrading with in the boards compatibly . the bios is custom made for there design and just for the parts they authorize to be used on there computers

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