PSU going bad or something else?

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My system is a Q6600/XFX 5850 Black/4GB Ram no overclock anywhere. I had an APEVIA ICEBERG ATX-IB680W-BL 680W PSU which was working fine but after a few years it started to slowly failing.
The biggest problem was that at somepoint if you started a 3D game the machine would instantly shut down (unless I downclocked the GPU).
Also I noticed that since the PSU degrade when I had it on sleep mode if I tried to power it up by clicking the mouse it would try to power up (fans would spin for 0.1 second) and it will lose power. If I used the Power button on the case most of the time it would power up just fine.

So I was pretty sure that the problem was the PSU and I went to buy a new XFX Core Edition 550W. After the installation 3D games run fine again and I can power it up again from sleep mode using the mouse without any problems.

Fast forward a few months (~4) I remove my GPU, clean the heatsink and install it back.
Before the cleaning the GPU would reach very high temps, 85c on idle with two monitors (which runs the clocks higher) but really I would hardly notice if it wasn't for the fan noise. No artifacs, no shut downs, everything worked well. It never powered down even when I was playing 3D games although the GPU would reach almost 100c and the fan would spin like crazy.

After the cleaning of the heatsink and installing the GPU back temps are back to normal and I'm quite happy.... Until I try to wake up the PC from sleep mode with the mouse and it doesn't power up just like it did with the faulty PSU. If I use the case power button it can power up again.
I think no big deal (although powering from the mouse is quite useful to me and I would really like to fix it) and proceed using the pc as normal. Then I play CSGO and after ~3 minutes of gameplay the PC instantly shut downs.... I think to my self "oh s***". I reboot, run the game again, play for ~1 hour, no shut downs.

Then the next day I play another game (HL2 engine) and after ~3 minute instant shutdown again. Again reboot, run the game play for ~1 hour, no shut downs.

Since then I tried:

Passmark burn-in test -- Pass
Prime95 In-place FFTs (2 cycles) -- Pass
Furmark burn-in for a few minutes -- Pass
AIDA64 stability test (with CPU/RAM/GPU check) -- Shut down after ~2.5 minutes

http://imgur.com/MEzRtWc

btw I didn't notice any voltage drop when running Furmark or Prime95

So what do you guys think? Could the new PSU have degraded already after only ~4 months? Could it be something else? Should I try to replace it on warranty (which would leave without a PC for who knows how long)? Any ideas why it can't power up from sleep mode when clicking the mouse but it will power up from the case button?
 
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I'd make the top an exhaust also, but it doesn't sound like overheating, especially if it will turn on again right away and run for an extended period.
Recheck your drivers. When you removed and re-installed your graphics card, was it re-detected? Especially if so, clean out your old graphics drivers and re-install the latest ones from www.amd.com.
As old as your system is, when did you last (if ever) replace the CMOS battery? You may need to recheck your BIOS settings to make sure it is [still] set up to power on by a mouse click.
You are fortunate that your Apevia PSU-shaped object apparently did not kill anything, since your system worked normally again after you replaced it (likely similar / same internals as one that melted in jonnyguru testing years ago).
Your current PSU was built by Seasonic using quality parts, so it seems unlikely it would have significantly degraded, unless it has never had good airflow through it. Make sure your fans are balanced, creating a flow of air through your case, and that the PSU is not struggling against too many other exhaust fans to pull air through itself.
You might remove your graphics card, make sure its slot is clear of lingering dust, then reseat it.
 

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Thanks for your answer Onus.

I've never replaced the battery but it's still OK. I know it tries to power up because I can see the fans spinning for like 0.20 second when I click.

Btw I should mention that I tried many things including reseating the motherboard, reseating the GPU, cleaning every fan/CPU heatsink/GPU heatsink and the interior in general, and maybe some more.
If the XFX PSU has indeed degraded I really doubt it would be from the heat because I never noticed it getting very hot. CPU and GPU on the other hand, you could have a BBQ party before the heatsink cleaning but I still I never had any power downs at that time.
 

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Thanks for posting. Yeah I did since I even took everything apart to reseat the motherboard which btw I had high hopes that it would solve the problem since removing and reinstalling the mobo (to get the cpu heatsink off, clean etc) was part of the proccess which started the problem.

I believed maybe some of the motherboard standoff was causing a short. I still think it might be that but I put it on them as carefully as I could and even tried to untight the screws a bit as some guys suggested at other threads but still no joy.



 
The CMOS battery would not explain the shutdowns, but might explain the mouseclick issue, if your settings weren't being retained.
This is a tough one, with all you've tried. The only thing that comes to mind now is perhaps the long-term effects of thermal cycling plus "something" becoming more brittle with age means that the physical movement of parts out of and back into their sockets has finally broken a trace, or had some similar effect. If your motherboard has any non-solid capacitors on it, are any of them bulging or leaking?
 

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Yeah man, I understand what you are saying about the CMOS but the definitly resume on mouse option is enabled.
I don't see any capacitors bulged and certainly not leaking.

Oh well, I guess it's got to be the PSU losing some of its power because when I had the same problem with the Apevia PSU it got fixed when I bought the XFX one.
It's a little bit different from pressing the case power button because when you click the mouse it's like you pressing and releasing the power button really fast instead of holding it down for let's say 0.5 second which gives it a little more room to power up the circuits.

The only thing that bugs me is that I didn't expect the XFX (and seasonic built as you mentioned) PSU to degrade so fast
 

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Well, I'll have to check if/when it shutdowns again but I highly doubt it's an overheating issue since I've never had a shutdown before cleaning the CPU and GPU heatsinks which got me around -10c on the cpu and -35c on the GPU. Also the shutdowns happend after only ~3 mins of gameplay and I instantly rebooted and got more than one hour of gameplay without problem. The airflow should be ok I have front/top/side on intake and one at the back to exhaust.

The good news is that today I played quite a lot and didn't have any shutdowns but it still doesn't manage to power up when I click. Still the same old flick on the fans and no power.

Anyway, I appreciate the effort but I don't think anything can be done about that. The only thing that's giving a doubt about being a PSU issue is that it first occured the same day after I got it all apart for cleaning...
 
I'd make the top an exhaust also, but it doesn't sound like overheating, especially if it will turn on again right away and run for an extended period.
Recheck your drivers. When you removed and re-installed your graphics card, was it re-detected? Especially if so, clean out your old graphics drivers and re-install the latest ones from www.amd.com.
 
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